When religion is believed to be a demon..
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Demons come to religion. And most people have little religiousity it seems. That is why Islam is turned upside down, and replaced with hadithism for most.
That also happens with Quran Alone though. Quran Alone may be seen as some as a rebellion, AWAY from Islam. And that results in poor religiousity and tasteless interpretations.
Recently I saw Faruk A Peru`s Quranology channel. What is this guy thinking, discussing Quran Alone, happily showing his chest hair?
I shake my head I am wondering whether there are true believers here? I come to think of, that I haven`t really seen people talk a lot about Iblis, or things like that here, and that I have actually seen more of that among some sectarians on youtube. Exaggarated prayer or not, to look out for Iblis, they seem to have understood.
HOW MANY here believe Iblis is to be avoided? How many believe in angels? And so forth? )
Peace.
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The Quran speaks about Satan as an adjective or a reason to make man make evil stuff...
But Iblees is not Satan...he is a follower of Satan... -
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Paradox Uncreated,
I wouldn't, for a moment, deride the work of any person who openly calls to the path of God alone, whether it be via electronic means, or a face-to-face discussion.
Granted, we will inevitably differ on some points, however, "inna allaaha yazeedu 'lladheena 'htadaw hudaa".
Furthermore, it is not our place, nor is it within our jurisdiction, to rule out someone's belief, "wa-'llaahu a3lamu bi-maa yuu3uun", let us leave that for God.
We must work together.
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Demons come to religion. And most people have little religiousity it seems. That is why Islam is turned upside down, and replaced with hadithism for most.
So we need to talk about 'demon' in order to be 'religious' ?
Although you're right I'm not 'religious', because for me 'religion' = 'sectarianism'...
And I believe Muhammad, Jesus, Abraham are also not 'religious'..How hadhitism come into place I believe because the Quran are lacking stories which relate to "Arabic Heroism".
It doesn't contain rich details about Muhammad and the name of Ali, Umar Bin Khatab, Abu Bakar, Uthman etc.. never ever mentioned even once. Instead it told many stories about "Jewish Heroes" such as David, Solomon, Moses, Jesus, John etc.. infact Moses nearly occupies 60% of the content. As thus the book is not a very good reference for "Muhammedans".. and they strive to create their own references which satisfy their needs and agenda..Salam / Peace
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t really relate to this anymore, and wonder if there is a point here, I didnt know already. God teaches whomever he wills. And God needs nobody. I feel that I have advanced to the very top levels of Islam, and corrected the esoterics while on the way. You may read that on www.paradoxuncreated.com/theology.html Else I wish you peace. May you come to the deep level of faith, with belief in spirits and angels, that are required for true Islam. -
There is no "highest level". There is only how much effort you personally put in, deciding if you are foremost, submitting or not-submitting. This isn't judged by ALLAH on an objective basis, but rather to the soul's own nature. If the search for truth ends, 99.99999999% of the time it can only be a delusion by virtue of statistics (the other 0.00001% when you truly have the absolute).
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As for knowing creation and the thoughts of God, behind every atom and star, that is one thing. But when it comes to Islam, there definately is a time when you have complete knowledge. This is when you understand "surrender", and the celebration of the eternal unchangable God.
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I understand where you are coming from now, yes, that's true. I came to a certain point where everything just clicked and I understood "surrender", self-realisation, the way of ALLAH. It's like the beginning of a new road. Although nothing has really changed and I am still utterly clueless about most things, I have to watch my actions 300x more; there is zero room to claim ignorance now.
Also it becomes apparent why this verse is so "Those who believe then disbelieve, again believe and again disbelieve, then increase in disbelief, Allah will never forgive them nor guide them in the (right) way" (4137). After having such a direct knowledge & acceptance of the creator as al-haqq, turning back is the gravest injustice one can do.
It's true not much thought is given to repealing the satan. One of satan's tricks is baseless discussion that goes nowhere, I see this a lot on the forum. People ignore the crucial point of the argument and divert the discussion into useless side-banter that serves no purpose but to cloud the truth. You can see it in real life a lot more. Someone is angry at someone else, and the other says something semantically ambiguous that can be taken in two ways. They obviously mean it the peaceful/nice way but the angry person often aligns with their satan and chooses to take it the angry way.
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To be honest, I`ve seen quite a few discussions, that aims to turn Islam, into something very worldly. No spirits, No heaven, no hell, no angels. All these are explained away. What is left, is pretty much humanitarian atheism, though supposedly with a divinity. It seems doubtful that they have any love for this divinity aswell. So it might just be a block of wood to them.
I WANT SPIRITUALITY ) I want the Praises of The Lord. I want the heavely celebrations, the good path of the two paths. More I cannot say.
Peace be with you,
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I feel that I have advanced to the very top levels of Islam, and corrected the esoterics while on the way. You may read that on www.paradoxuncreated.com/theology.html Else I wish you peace. May you come to the deep level of faith, with belief in spirits and angels, that are required for true Islam.
About 14 years ago; on board of a train somewhere in eastern europe, I find myself seated alongside a christian orthodox priest dressed in black, 'funny' head covering and a huge cross om his chest. And here's the snippet of our conversation.
Priest Young man, do you believe in judgement day, heaven and hell?
Me Well.. yes..
Priest What will your response be when on your judgement; God said 'you're doom to hell'?
Me That will be a very sad day for me I guess.. I'll be speechless... what will your response be if God said the same thing to you?
Priest I will say "Dear God, yes you are right.. you are always right... I do deserve Hell, let Your will be done..".In my opinion; So far.. that orthodox priest is the most moslem person that I ever met... I consider him among those who has "reached the very top levels of Islam".
Salam / Peace
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A Priest deserves hell? There are some deviant priests I guess. But I doubt they would accept Gods will.
Which made me think of a response I wanted to write earlier really. What is a scholar these days? For christians it is the trinity, and for muslims it seems to be hadithism. Has scholarship ever really brought the truth? Is it just pharisees rearing their ugly head, over and over again.
ONE THING is for sure. God is there, and if he is willing, he will teach anyone. Progression from quranic study to surrender to divine interaction, isn`t t that what what we are all supposed to do? Maybe all this discussion is quite nonsense.
Peace.
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To just answer the question.
Yes, I believe in Satan/Iblis is to be avoided and a real entity, enemy to Allah and his servants. Yes I believe in angels as well. I tend to be a more "spiritual" than a "religious" person. Hence why hadith and defiled thoughts of heaven set me off. I took classes in Demonology and Angelology, I find the subject rather fascinating.
And if God said I derserved hell, I would just cry and what can I say or do? Argue with the creator who knows me better than I know myself. I just remember His mercy is greater than His wrath.
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That is good. Treating Iblis as an enemy is fundamental to the religion. You cannot ignore it, and you cannot turn it upside down like some sufis say, that Iblis was "a kind spirit" that gave Adam, apple from the tree of eternity.
To further confuse this post I can add that, lately I have gained the understanding that psychedelics may give profound insight into some things. You know, but that is not my religion. My religion is Islam, where intoxicants are forbidden.
"Surely, Shaytan is an enemy to you, so take (treat) him as an enemy. He only invites his followers that they may become the dwellers of the blazing Fire" - Quran
And there is several verses about seeking refuge in Allah, when a thought comes to you from satan. This all should be easy to understand.
Why should I need to state this. It
s not like Im gonna go pulling disblievers by the ears for the rest of their life. grr. -
To be honest, I`ve seen quite a few discussions, that aims to turn Islam, into something very worldly. No spirits, No heaven, no hell, no angels. All these are explained away. What is left, is pretty much humanitarian atheism, though supposedly with a divinity. It seems doubtful that they have any love for this divinity aswell. So it might just be a block of wood to them.
I WANT SPIRITUALITY ) I want the Praises of The Lord. I want the heavely celebrations, the good path of the two paths. More I cannot say.
Peace be with you,
Uwaysi.Peace to you too!
From what I have learnt, islam is neither mundane or magical just like the universe. There is a general dichotomy in the global populace where one side believes that reality can have supernatural things going on that defy physics and the other side thinks everything is mundane yet that dead matter alone can construct life. The truth is somewhere in between.
When I first heard zen sayings like "there is only emptiness", I thought "well they think that nothing truly exists, that's too mundane and absurd for me". At the time I was more Sunni "prophet flew on pegasus to mir'aj" in my thinking, my supernatural-oriented mind didn't like the idea of a mundane reality. But looking much further into "emptiness" now, it reveals something far beyond supernatural that ironically can only be "found" if you let reality be as mundane as it gets.
Lesson learnt, don't have any desires when seeking the truth. Bruce Lee said that the people who have the hardest time finding the truth are those who pick and choose which truths they like. I feel that too, so many things I once overlooked because I wanted this or that side of reality instead of the whole damn thing - when seeking absolute truth, make sure it really is absolute!
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Peace )
When all idols are put aside, and truth accepted, ordinary life can be quite nice. Just being. While I have been there, and may return there, the esoteric path still draws me, and it can be far from mundane. Like recently, watching Yellow Submarine, with my esoteric background. Highly recommended.
The mind is God, so yes, if you are completely open to truth, and uphold a dicipline in always accepting it, I believe you will finally reason yourself to your own variant of Islam. I did at already at age 10, and is baffled now, when I realize it.
Peace and blessings, Uwaysi.
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It is interesting that peace has an infinite number of forms. Why? Because -infinity + infinity = 0. 2+(-2), 4+(-4), etc. You can have anything you like as long as it's peaceful. Any colour car as long as it's black. Simple as that.
EVERYTHING is a variant of islam. To go against your own nature is to try to create two peaces. You either want ALLAH alone or you want ALLAH + illusion. There are an infinite number of peaceful times but there is only ONE peace! I think this is also idolatry in a way.
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Everything tells the tale of the two paths yes. Idolatry really seems to be a simple as what is called promiscuity these days. In this, satan is visible. So if people kept themselves to whoever they were in a relationship with, things would be fine. "Satan follows his desire" - Quran.
I great a great sense of Allah alone, when I think that the mind creates reality. Which is most known from Buddhism in these times. But yeah, in the end, reality is the same for all, and described in many ways, though dealing with the same truths.
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A Priest deserves hell? There are some deviant priests I guess. But I doubt they would accept Gods will.
It could be a priest, a maid, a hadith scholar, a housewife anyone it doesn't matter and it's not the main point.
It's their attitude what's count..
Later on I found out that the priest's point of view are based on Jesus attitude / behavior as told in the Gospel..Everyone shall eventually accept God's will.. willingly or unwillingly..
Sometime it's also called as 'coping with reality'...
However if you accept it willingly then despair, anguish, anger, resentment, frustration, envy, hatred, will for revenge and all of those 'bad emotion' shall go away... And that's what islam is all about.. be at peace with yourself and be at peace with the universe..According to Quran; being a moslem is what the Devil could not do.. he can't accept God's will.. he reject, he refuse, he rebel, he's full of anger, he hates, he seek revenge...
I found it strange to find a person who claimed that 'he has reached the highest level of islam'..
Brother.. I think you haven't... but nevertheless every claim shall be put to a test..Salam / Peace
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I have reached full knowledge of Islam some time ago yes. I have tried to voice that on my webpage www.paradoxuncreated.com/theology.html and I also wrote a post called "esoteric intepretation of Islam" where a lot of this information is shared.
Abt. the devil, it seems to be simple whore. Promiscuous thoughts are from the devil, and following them is following the devil, and equals.. whoredom. )
"The cunnning of satan is feeble".