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The First Creation

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    FindingRightPathToAllah
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    Salaam Pazuzu,

    Nice and informative thread.

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      JavaLatte
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      You are now touching upon a very delicate and technical issue, which I spent quite some time looking into, a few months back. I will definately elaborate more regarding this, but for now, I can say with a great degree of confidence, that the terms jan (&#1606 and jin (&#1606 are not necessarily synonymous. The first refers to a particular type of being which is incorporeal (as in Iblees), and which existed on this planet before the appearence of humankind. The second term is a quality / adjective used to describe several things, among them beings (human or otherwise) who are in very high positions or rank, and who work "behind the curtain" (so to speak), such as the unseen rulers or forces which drive human societies, and whom are being worshipped and served all over the planet today, instead of God. When you look closely and scrutinize the accuracy of the Koranic terms, you will find the following parallels

      jin vs ins (not capitalized) often used in the context of urbanites / common people vs non-urbanite / secretive cast (who often have skills, abilities or knowledge that are not known by commoners.

      Insan vs Jan (capitalized) the context of two creations, one from clay (earthly material) and one of non-corporeal nature

      The difference is subtle, but if you pay close attention, you will see it. Iblees is a Jan (in terms of his nature), but he is also a jin (in terms of description) meaning a very high ranking malaika who had a secret desire to rebel, and was hence cast out from the grace of Allah.

      Inshallah, I will have some more information regarding this matter, in the coming days.

      Regarding the creation of humankind from the clay of the earth, this is in line with what the Koran calls .

      Sadly, when people think of of the Arabic term , we wrongly assume it is a myth. Also, for lack of a better term, it is rendered as "legend". But if you analyze the term, you will find that it is equivalent to "istoria" (Latin) or "history" (English). The difference is that a "legend" is a romanticised and symbolic scripture which is based on a real (historic or scientific) fact. The reason it is rendered in "legendary" form is to make it stick in the memory of the generations. It becomes like a kind of folklore whose origin is very much real, but drowned in antiquity. In such "legends", nations become symbolized with single persons, and natural phenomena become beasts or "demons". For example, the Arabian legend of Adnan vs Qahtan is a symbolic story which "legendizes" the steuggle between the nomads and the sedentary people. Also, the Mesopotamian story of the taming of the great water dragon named Tiamat by a divine being or hero, at the dawn of time, is a legend which symbolizes the malaika (annunaki), under the command of the One God, taming the great salt sea around the point of origin, to make the earth more fitting for the creation of humans. It is a romanticized version of a very real historic event. It is wrong to discard of it as a myth.

      If you read the of creation of the early peoples, whether in Arabia, Mesopotamia, Africa, even in parts of Europe, you will find an eye-opening theme which is common to all, and often recurring the Male God of the sky impregnated the Mother Earth with his water, and their children burst forth from her womb. In ancient "Semitic" terms, we find the term baal which is used to denote the male / master or lord, as well as - among other things - the water of the male (semen). The rain is the baal which impregnated Mother Earth (look up her name in the Babylonian legends), and their first children, which did not yet have the "Spirit" in them, burst like grass from her womb. Later, in a future stage, this "earth embryo" became inside the female womb, thus anouncing a new phase of creation, which is the union of the male / female gametes.

      The Koranic version of the creation story very clearly deviates from the Old Testament version, and is hence closer to the legends of the ancients. It is clearly describing two stages of creation birth from the Earth directy (the universal birth refered to as &#1609, which took place millions of years ago in the volcanic regions bordering the Tihama (Tiamat), and the current birth from the womb of the female. There will of course be the (on the Era of Resurrection), which will be the same as the first creation.

      This is what the classical interpreters failed to grasp, because they have been reading the Koran through OLd Testament spectacles, and deliberately twisting the meaning of the clear Koranic signs to make them fit into the mold of the OT. They refused to even consider teh possibility that the Koran offers an independant version which is more in line with the early legends, and not with what the Jewish scribes corrupted.

      Regards.

      Interesting!!

      Quote it now, hope I could study more about this issue, inshaAllah.

      Salaam.

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        Salam, huruf

        Who benefits from this the most? When you see, for example, a bunch of ISIS idiots destroying the artifacts of Iraq, I think the answer is very obvious

        1. The so-called "State of Israel" an entity built on a religious lie. And they know this very well. Deep down, they know that they have no basis for their existence in the region. Therefore, they want to wipe out those testaments in Iraq, written in stone, which will expose them. They destroy the large pieces (which cannot be moved), and they steal the smaller artifacts and sell them in the black market, or put them on display in the museums of Europe, where people can look at them from afar, and not think too deeply about their true nature. I have even read reports that they put them under the soil of Palestine, in order to "discover" them there in the future.

        2. The Wahabi state they call "Saudi Arabia" what is this state? It has no cultural depth at all. Ruled by a family of mental retards who have no constitution to speak of, no civil law, and no culture other than the Petro-Dollar and sitting around feast tables of rice and meat. There is a psychological inferiority complex the Wahhabis have with all the countries around them that actually have a historical and cultural depth (Iraq-Syria-Yemen). These countries must be destroyed, they must be maintained in a state of strife and internal warfare for all eternity, their culture must be obliterated, in order for the world's attention to be diverted from the real issue that continues to gnaw at the consciousness of the Saudis that they have no history, and no real cultural depth. The only thing they desperately cling to is a cube-shaped room, 11 meters in length, covered with a piece of black cloth, which their ancestors claimed is the House of God. This, and their filthy Petro-Dollar is the only thing that sustains the life of pomp, whoring and prostitution that their princes want to maintain.

        Do not fall for their propaganda, when they say that they want to "save Yemen" from the spread of Persian influence. This is only a cover used to conceal their true intention to mask their false history by destroying all the centers of real civilization around them.

        In order for the Gulf countries to continue to exist, and for their Petro-Dollar to be sustained, and for them to continue building their sky-scrapers and towers, they must turn Iraq, the Levant, and Yemen into a hell.

        But God is watching, and he is preparing a surprise for them. They can plan and scheme all they want, but they cannot fool humanity forever.

        Peace.

        Indeed brother of Mankind. Like your books by the way! It's interesting

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