Misleads of Free-Minds Teachings--Positive Criticism

Amica

Salaam--

I do not claim to know it all. No one does, but Allah SWT. I do not claim to understand Islam 100%, as I personally believe that Islam is a way of life that is acquired and always unfolding before me a path to the Truth. Also, I do not claim that I 100%understand the Holy Qur'an, nor do I 100% know all of the Hadiths that exist. I do, however, believe that Hadiths require reform and revision as many, that I personally have heard of and read, have lead the Muslim Ummah astray (ie. some Muslims engage in behaviors that are unislamic, such as stoning of adulterers). I also believe that it is the Holy Qur'an that should explain our basic and most important believes and it is the Holy Qur'an that should be the backbone of any other additional religious teachings/inspirations.

Having said all of that, I must say that many of the things mentioned by Free Minds makes sense to me. But, I could not help but notice some diviatory teachings that threaten to open hellgates for Muslims. For example

In discussing how Hadiths are basically worthless and complete blasphemy, the Free Minds tells Muslims that the Holy Qur'an does not provide specific way to pray salat/contact prayers and that if one wishes he/she could pray naked. That statement floored me as I view it as an invitation for people to show no respect to Allah SWT. If one is encouraged to dress appropriately when in community, and when praying with others, then why not show even better respect to the One who created us all by dressing appropriately in private as well?
While discussing menstrual cycle, the Free Minds states that the Holy Qur'an allows women to pray while menstruating. Really? It makes no sense then that Allah SWT would require of women to take a bath prior to sexual intercourse with their husbands. That in itself shows that after menstruation ablution is required for prayer as well. After all, prayer is one a higher level of chastity, worship than procreation. Sexual intercourse is there for human need, not Allah's SWT as He is not dependent on anyone.
Rather than making a commentary on the Qur'an and translations that we already have, the "reformist" translations of Qur'an are rather unseemly as they further confuse already confused non-Arabic speaking Muslim masses.
Free Minds is too worried in eliminating anything in Islamic Community related to hadiths and less focused on promoting common human reason. Like I said earlier in other post, not all Hadiths are evil. Free Minds itself states that ancient Arabs/pre-Qur'an Arabs already knew concepts and customs relating to Hajj, fasting, zekat, Abraham's religous practices. Isn't it, then, awesome that there are Hadiths to help us understand those as well since the Holy Qur'an instructs Prophet Muhammad savs himself to follow the religion of Abraham savs? By completely rejecting Hadiths, you are also rejecting those important teachings that help us understand how to perform certain religious duties, the religious duties of the religion of Abraham savs (Islam).

Thsoe are just a few of the things I noticed on Free Minds. Also, a lot of the ideas and writings are identical to Rashad Khalifa's Submitter's website, www.submission.org. Similar, and many of the same, arguments as well.

Like I said, a lot of it makes sense. Other stuff, I feel, tends to promote teachings that are just as detrimental to Muslim community as are some of the teachings of the Hadiths as well (i.e. "honor" murders, stoning, etc).

I would like to see Free Minds clearly separate itself from false prophet Rashad Khalifa, to promote the faculty of reason and true reasons of why something does not make sense. Also, I think Free minds could have more effect in the Ummah if it pointed out the agreements between the Noble Qur'an and Hadiths, the fact that it si the Qur'an that is the basis for Islam, the fact that it is the Qur'an that explains life. Everything else, whatever we invent to abide by to help us live a normal life the islamic way, must be in accordance with the Qur'an. Allah SWT, I believe, gives us such freedom provided we do not go outside the forbidden and allowed from the Qur'an.

Producer

welcome

I need a Verse from alQuran forbidding Hadith Jesus, as Christians claimed by the verse below;

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Say, "Obey Allah and the Messenger." But if they turn away - then indeed, Allah does not like the disbelievers.

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And when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah"

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And when Jesus brought clear proofs, he said, "I have come to you with wisdom and to make clear to you some of that over which you differ, so fear Allah and obey me.

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The Messenger has believed in what was revealed to him from his Lord, and the believers. All of them have believed in Allah and His angels and His books and His messengers, , "We make no distinction between any of His messengers." And they say, "We hear and we obey. Your forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the destination."

Thank you for reading my reply.

unknownuser

Peace,

All valid criticisms

And "I do not claim to know it all. No one does, but Allah SWT. I do not claim to understand Islam 100%, as I personally believe that Islam is a way of life that is acquired and always unfolding before me a path to the Truth. Also, I do not claim that I 100%understand the Holy Qur'an, nor do I 100% know all of the Hadiths that exist. "

Beautiful words

mmkhan

Salaam Amica,

welcome

In discussing how Hadiths are basically worthless and complete blasphemy, the Free Minds tells Muslims that the Holy Qur'an does not provide specific way to pray salat/contact prayers and that if one wishes he/she could pray naked.

I don't agree with the red highlighted part above, I believe that there are detail explanations in AlKitaab for everything, we are lacking knowledge. So, it is our problem not ....

I strictly disagree with the blue part above as that is against AlQuraan.

While discussing menstrual cycle, the Free Minds states that the Holy Qur'an allows women to pray while menstruating. Really? It makes no sense then that Allah SWT would require of women to take a bath prior to sexual intercourse with their husbands. That in itself shows that after menstruation ablution is required for prayer as well. After all, prayer is one a higher level of chastity, worship than procreation. Sexual intercourse is there for human need, not Allah's SWT as He is not dependent on anyone.

This is correct. Because 2222 does not declared that you must stop performing Salaat during menstruation, besides this 56 shows you some other options, like after coming from closet, or you have contacted women, etc. still Salaat has to be performed even if you don't find water.

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56 O you who have believed, when you rise to prayer, wash your faces and your forearms to the elbows and wipe over your heads and your feet to the ankles. And if you are in a state of janabah, then purify yourselves. But if you are ill or on a journey or one of you comes from the place of relieving himself or you have contacted women and do not find water, then seek clean earth and wipe over your faces and hands with it. Allah does not intend to make difficulty for you, but He intends to purify you and complete His favor upon you that you may be grateful.

Rather than making a commentary on the Qur'an and translations that we already have, the "reformist" translations of Qur'an are rather unseemly as they further confuse already confused non-Arabic speaking Muslim masses.

No one can guide or misguide but Allah. Depends on one's deeds.

Free Minds is too worried in eliminating anything in Islamic Community related to hadiths and less focused on promoting common human reason. Like I said earlier in other post, not all Hadiths are evil. Free Minds itself states that ancient Arabs/pre-Qur'an Arabs already knew concepts and customs relating to Hajj, fasting, zekat, Abraham's religous practices. Isn't it, then, awesome that there are Hadiths to help us understand those as well since the Holy Qur'an instructs Prophet Muhammad savs himself to follow the religion of Abraham savs? By completely rejecting Hadiths, you are also rejecting those important teachings that help us understand how to perform certain religious duties, the religious duties of the religion of Abraham savs (Islam).

Please read this carefully

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544 Indeed, We sent down the Torah, in which was guidance and light. The prophets who submitted judged by it for the Jews, as did the rabbis and scholars by that with which they were entrusted of the Scripture of Allah, and they were witnesses thereto. So do not fear the people but fear Me, and do not exchange My verses for a small price. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed ? then it is those who are the disbelievers.

545

545 And We ordained for them therein a life for a life, an eye for an eye, a nose for a nose, an ear for an ear, a tooth for a tooth, and for wounds is legal retribution. But whoever gives charity, it is an expiation for him. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed ? then it is those who are the wrongdoers.

547

547 And let the People of the Injeel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed ? then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient.

Please note that "AlQuraan", "AlInjeel" or "AlTauraat" is not mentioned and not even "AlKitaab" is mentioned, so what is it that Allah has revealed ??

4105

4105 Indeed, We have revealed to you, the Book in truth so you may judge between the people by that which Allah has shown you. And do not be for the deceitful an advocate.

In the blue highlighted part of 4105 it says "Indeed, We have revealed to YOU, the Book in truth so YOU may judge between the people..."

Important part for judging between the people is from THE BOOK only. Next, if I ask you to judge for me the way of Salaat, Saum or Hajj or anything else, will you be able to judge it for me FROM THE BOOK?

If you cannot, then you will fall under the aayaats 544, 545 and 547, but this is not the case because everybody is not able to judge with the Book in all cases, so the next part of 4105 clarifies that "...judge between the people by that which Allah has shown you....". This is what "Nazil" is.

Now if you read 544, 545 and 547 you will get a clear picture that whatever has been revealed to you is that with which you have to judge between people. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed then it is those who are Kafir, Zalim and Faasiq.

So, where is the hadith? If you still think that we cannot reject hadith in full then again read 544, 545 and 547 carefully.

May Allah guide us all to His true path and protect us all from evil pr
Mohammed M. Khan

JLM

I have read some nice sounding hadiths myself, but also very vile ones and for that reason I can't accept them. It's just way too contradictory to the message of Islam. Besides, why should we be following something that portrays our prophet as some kind of sex-crazed pedophile? That is just pure slander right there as I'm sure God wouldn't choose somebody immoral as a prophet.

Producer

mmkhan, Qur'an is the Best Hadith. Reject hadith, which one? All?

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Allah has sent down the best Hadith a consistent Book wherein is reiteration. The skins shiver therefrom of those who fear their Lord; then their skins and their hearts relax at the ...

Pakistani uses Albert Eistein's Hadith to make Nuclear Bomb.

Albert Eistein's Hadith narrates
E = mc2

If you reject Hadith(all hadith), you can't make nuclear bomb.

Be specific.

mmkhan

mmkhan, Qur'an is the Best Hadith. Reject hadith, which one? All?

3923
Allah has sent down the best Hadith a consistent Book wherein is reiteration. The skins shiver therefrom of those who fear their Lord; then their skins and their hearts relax at the ...

Pakistani uses Albert Eistein's Hadith to make Nuclear Bomb.

Albert Eistein's Hadith narrates
E = mc2

If you reject Hadith(all hadith), you can't make nuclear bomb.

Be specific.

Brother Producer,

You are a Producer and I have to be a Director for you

If you know, we were talking about some other bunch of hadith not hadith of Einstein and I never heard of anyone calling Einstein's history hmm

Do you mean theory = hadith ?

And if you see at my prev post again, you will some aayaats from AlQuraan, the Best Allah's Hadith, that means I don't reject them, but you know or atleast the one whom my post was addressed know that what hadith I am talking about.

May Allah guide us all to His true path pr
Mohammed M. Khan

Producer

http//books.google.com/books?id=OAsQ_hFjhrAC&pg=PA215&dq=mass%E2%80%93energy+equivalence&hl=en#v=onepage&q=mass%E2%80%93energy%20equivalence&f=false

John J. Stachel Authenticated/Sahih Hadith of Einstein in his book "Einstein from "B" to "Z""

Most people don't have total understanding of Hadith. Thus misunderstanding may happens. Peace.

youssef4342

If God is merciful enough to allow us men to pray even if we're dirty and after sexual intercourse (i.e if we don't have water near us). Then what makes women any less of having that mercy from God?

God is so merciful, he allows us to do our salat while riding, or walking!
There are no instances in the Quran where God gives us an excuse for Not doing our salat!!!!

*Blessed is God, the Most Merciful, Righteous King!

Tyler_Durden

Salaam--

In discussing how Hadiths are basically worthless and complete blasphemy, the Free Minds tells Muslims that the Holy Qur'an does not provide specific way to pray salat/contact prayers and that if one wishes he/she could pray naked. That statement floored me as I view it as an invitation for people to show no respect to Allah SWT. If one is encouraged to dress appropriately when in community, and when praying with others, then why not show even better respect to the One who created us all by dressing appropriately in private as well?

I strictly disagree with the blue part above as that is against AlQuraan.

Is praying naked prohibited in the Qur'an? I don't know, logically it would seem fine seeing as we were, after ll, created butt naked, no?

Is there any verse adhering to it? (probably not, because it's such a silly question. and so we should probably use our logic and I can't understand why you would think it is not allowed.)

Could someone clarify?

JLM

Is praying naked prohibited in the Qur'an? I don't know, logically it would seem fine seeing as we were, after ll, created butt naked, no?

Is there any verse adhering to it? (probably not, because it's such a silly question. and so we should probably use our logic and I can't understand why you would think it is not allowed.)

Could someone clarify?

Logically I think that if the Qur'an instructs us to dress modestly that it would apply to praying as well. Prayer is a direct connection with God so why would the rules change then?

Bigmo

Logically I think that if the Qur'an instructs us to dress modestly that it would apply to praying as well. Prayer is a direct connection with God so why would the rules change then?

Right, and God told Moses to take of his sandals when he came to the bush. Basically you should pray in the same manner as you would stand in front of a king. Human reverence is usually known with dressing up and bowing and prostrating and being clean. That is what humans do when they are in a formal or collective event. So why not when standing in front of God?

Jafar

Salam Sister Amica..

First of all; I'm not the one who authored the "Free Minds" article, yet I'm compelled to add few comments on your posting..

In discussing how Hadiths are basically worthless and complete blasphemy, the Free Minds tells Muslims that the Holy Qur'an does not provide specific way to pray salat/contact prayers and that if one wishes he/she could pray naked. That statement floored me as I view it as an invitation for people to show no respect to Allah SWT. If one is encouraged to dress appropriately when in community, and when praying with others, then why not show even better respect to the One who created us all by dressing appropriately in private as well?

We're all born naked, but actually I believe it just an 'extreme example' to prove a point.
If you don't like praying naked then don't do it..
The main point is actually; 'we shouldn't judge the way other people do their prayer'.
If you pray naked I won't judge that it's wrong.. although I myself will not do it..

While discussing menstrual cycle, the Free Minds states that the Holy Qur'an allows women to pray while menstruating. Really? It makes no sense then that Allah SWT would require of women to take a bath prior to sexual intercourse with their husbands. That in itself shows that after menstruation ablution is required for prayer as well. After all, prayer is one a higher level of chastity, worship than procreation. Sexual intercourse is there for human need, not Allah's SWT as He is not dependent on anyone.

It is not forbidden for 'women in their period' to do their prayer..
This 'habit' / 'strange restriction' is actually originated from arab paganistic culture.

Where it is forbidden to worship a deity/god named Manaf for women during their menstruation period..
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manaf_%28deity%29

Such restriction can only be found within Arab Paganism and (some sect) within Hinduism..

But again if you're not willing to do any prayer during your menstruation period, then fine, I will not judge it as wrong either..

Rather than making a commentary on the Qur'an and translations that we already have, the "reformist" translations of Qur'an are rather unseemly as they further confuse already confused non-Arabic speaking Muslim masses.

Kindly show the forum which one.. and we shall discuss it..

Salam / Peace

mmkhan

Is praying naked prohibited in the Qur'an? I don't know, logically it would seem fine seeing as we were, after ll, created butt naked, no?

Is there any verse adhering to it? (probably not, because it's such a silly question. and so we should probably use our logic and I can't understand why you would think it is not allowed.)

Could someone clarify?

743
743 And your Lord glorify

744
744 And purify your garments

745
745 And abandon all that is unclean

When? The answer is "all the time" because nothing specific mentioned in those aayaats.

More...

2458

2458 O you who believe, let those who are maintained by your oaths, and those who have not yet attained puberty, request your permission regarding three times before the dawn contact prayer, and when you put off your garments from the noon time, and after the evening contact prayer. These are three private times for you. Other than these times, it is not wrong for you or them to intermingle with one another. Allah thus clarifies the revelations for you. And Allah is Knowledgeable, Wise.

Said only to those who believe
Permission needed three times because those are the private timings for you
You do put off your garments in your private times
BEFORE Salaat AlFajr
From the noon
AFTER Salaat AlEishan

May Allah guide us all to His true path pr
Mohammed M. Khan

Layth

Salam Amica,

If I may attempt to address some of the points raised...

I1) In discussing how Hadiths are basically worthless and complete blasphemy, the Free Minds tells Muslims that the Holy Qur'an does not provide specific way to pray salat/contact prayers and that if one wishes he/she could pray naked. That statement floored me as I view it as an invitation for people to show no respect to Allah SWT. If one is encouraged to dress appropriately when in community, and when praying with others, then why not show even better respect to the One who created us all by dressing appropriately in private as well?

Where did you find this statement that Salat is not specific? This websites promotes that the Quran is "fully detailed" and "complete" as far as our religion is concerned - so it seems to me to be an oxymoron that the same site would then claim that Salat detailed are not in the Quran!? There are 2 or 3 articles that are on FM that fully detail Salat from a-z.

As for "praying naked", from a pure Quranic point, yes, a person can perform Salat naked as long as he/she is not in the presence of others before whom the Quran commands to cover at least the private parts. that is a legal answer - and perhaps 99.9% of Muslims would not feel comfortable doing this, but if we were asked, the answer is "yes" they can. Also, you seem to think of God as a person who gets offended by our bodies. God is our creator, He has not only seen our bodies, but he is the One who designed them. Also, God can see you wherever you are - so you cannot be hidden. Finally, remember, when our parents were in the blessed paradise, they were completely naked - and were happily serving and worshiipng God in that state. It was only when they ate from the tree of awareness did they panic over their bodies being exposed and run to cover them...

While discussing menstrual cycle, the Free Minds states that the Holy Qur'an allows women to pray while menstruating. Really? It makes no sense then that Allah SWT would require of women to take a bath prior to sexual intercourse with their husbands. That in itself shows that after menstruation ablution is required for prayer as well. After all, prayer is one a higher level of chastity, worship than procreation. Sexual intercourse is there for human need, not Allah's SWT as He is not dependent on anyone.

You are speaking of Salat as if it is something God needs and therefore it should not be approached unless x, y, z conditions are met. Salat is for us. We are the ones who need it desperatly so we can remember God and be protected from committing evil and vice. It is so important that believers need 3 doses of it per day to keep them on the straight path...Now, you want to remove this tool away from women for 6 days and leave them exposed to satan's whispering because, in your opinoin, they are "unclean!".

Rather than making a commentary on the Qur'an and translations that we already have, the "reformist" translations of Qur'an are rather unseemly as they further confuse already confused non-Arabic speaking Muslim masses.

The main translation on this site "The Qur'an - A Monotheist Translation" has no commentary or footnotes. This is how some people like to read. The guidance is from God, not from this website or these translation.

Free Minds is too worried in eliminating anything in Islamic Community related to hadiths and less focused on promoting common human reason. Like I said earlier in other post, not all Hadiths are evil. Free Minds itself states that ancient Arabs/pre-Qur'an Arabs already knew concepts and customs relating to Hajj, fasting, zekat, Abraham's religous practices. Isn't it, then, awesome that there are Hadiths to help us understand those as well since the Holy Qur'an instructs Prophet Muhammad savs himself to follow the religion of Abraham savs? By completely rejecting Hadiths, you are also rejecting those important teachings that help us understand how to perform certain religious duties, the religious duties of the religion of Abraham savs (Islam).

I disagree. The very "concept" behind Hadith is evil - that God's Book has left things out which need to be found in this Alice in Wonderland journey of the world of Hadith. If you are concerned with saving souls, then know that accepting the concept of "Hadith" for religious guidance is a guarantee to Hell.

Thsoe are just a few of the things I noticed on Free Minds. Also, a lot of the ideas and writings are identical to Rashad Khalifa's Submitter's website, www.submission.org. Similar, and many of the same, arguments as well.

If we are all quoting the same source - the Quran - then it is natural that we all eventually end up with the same conclusions.

I would like to see Free Minds clearly separate itself from false prophet Rashad Khalifa, to promote the faculty of reason and true reasons of why something does not make sense. Also, I think Free minds could have more effect in the Ummah if it pointed out the agreements between the Noble Qur'an and Hadiths, the fact that it si the Qur'an that is the basis for Islam, the fact that it is the Qur'an that explains life. Everything else, whatever we invent to abide by to help us live a normal life the islamic way, must be in accordance with the Qur'an. Allah SWT, I believe, gives us such freedom provided we do not go outside the forbidden and allowed from the Qur'an.

If the findings of Rashad or others are based on the Quran, and we find the same thing based on the Quran - then we are in agreement and cannot/would not change these findings for the sake of pleasing people - we can only be concerned with following God. Rashad in my opinoin is a pioneer in reviving the God alone movement and returning people back to the calling of the Quran after many centuries of abandonment - he is to be commended despite any human mistakes he may have made along the way.

mmkhan

As for "praying naked", from a pure Quranic point, yes, a person can perform Salat naked as long as he/she is not in the presence of others before whom the Quran commands to cover at least the private parts. that is a legal answer - and perhaps 99.9% of Muslims would not feel comfortable doing this, but if we were asked, the answer is "yes" they can. Also, you seem to think of God as a person who gets offended by our bodies. God is our creator, He has not only seen our bodies, but he is the One who designed them. Also, God can see you wherever you are - so you cannot be hidden. Finally, remember, when our parents were in the blessed paradise, they were completely naked - and were happily serving and worshiipng God in that state. It was only when they ate from the tree of awareness did they panic over their bodies being exposed and run to cover them...

Salaam Layth,

Can you please explain to me the highlighted part above? Thanks!
When they ate from the tree of awareness they ran to cover them..., did you not yet eat from that tree of awareness, so that you can cover yourself, because after eating that they run to cover themselves? Even though they were not in Salaat at that time . Please explain brother.

May Allah guide us all to His true path pr
Mohammed M. Khan

shadowpuppet

Salaam.

The Quran allows one to use dirt in place of running water, if it is not ...say "available",
in the same way that many people surround themselves with burning sage or sweet grass smoke when they pray.

There is a message in this that falls outside of simple, literal translation.

I think what the person meant, who said that one can pray in the nude if they choose to do so,
is that we are not bound to the sort of malignant, ritualistic behaviour which takes the breath
out of the words left for us by the Messenger through his close Companions.

We are to be clean, we are to be modest.
We are to pray as we were taught and regularly, according to the movement of the day.

Imagine a place where the sun shines constantly for much of the year....

It's best to reach for the essence of the teachings, to read them in your own light,
to apply them to your own life, while giving others room to find and apply their own understanding,
as Al Lah reveals it to them personally.

We forget that Shaykh was often there, in the distant past, for a vast number of people
who couldn't even read. To teach them to read, even. My shaykh lives on the other side of the world and he would be ashamed of me if I were not able to figure it out for myself. )

Times change. That is not bi'dah. That is time.

P e a c e .

Emil

Salaam

Very nice words, and welcome! If I may share my opinion, since I do not totally agree with you. Please do not see my post as "arguing", I just want to share my opinion with you.

In discussing how Hadiths are basically worthless and complete blasphemy, the Free Minds tells Muslims that the Holy Qur'an does not provide specific way to pray salat/contact prayers and that if one wishes he/she could pray naked. That statement floored me as I view it as an invitation for people to show no respect to Allah SWT. If one is encouraged to dress appropriately when in community, and when praying with others, then why not show even better respect to the One who created us all by dressing appropriately in private as well?

I agree with you, but I think you have to see it in the angle of "will no clothes stop me from praying?". I do not think many would take the active choice of taking off their clothes before prayer, but the Quran does not stop you from prayer just because you happen to be naked. I do however agree with you that it is a little misguiding to say "pray naked if you so wish". Not wrong, but misguiding.

While discussing menstrual cycle, the Free Minds states that the Holy Qur'an allows women to pray while menstruating. Really? It makes no sense then that Allah SWT would require of women to take a bath prior to sexual intercourse with their husbands. That in itself shows that after menstruation ablution is required for prayer as well. After all, prayer is one a higher level of chastity, worship than procreation. Sexual intercourse is there for human need, not Allah's SWT as He is not dependent on anyone.

Have you thought about the physical versus spiritual cleanliness? Allah asks us all to wash before prayer, no matter if we need it or not. The only logical explanation to this is the guidance to perform a spiritual cleansing that make us ready for prayer. To Allah this cleansing is quite important, he is even asking us to use sand or dirt if we do not have access to water.
Taking a bath after sex but before prayer has to do with washing "away" the feeling of arousal before commencing your bond with Allah. This is the spiritual cleansing.
Physical cleansing has to do with what you wrote about menstruation. I do think they are two different things.

Free Minds is too worried in eliminating anything in Islamic Community related to hadiths and less focused on promoting common human reason. Like I said earlier in other post, not all Hadiths are evil. Free Minds itself states that ancient Arabs/pre-Qur'an Arabs already knew concepts and customs relating to Hajj, fasting, zekat, Abraham's religous practices. Isn't it, then, awesome that there are Hadiths to help us understand those as well since the Holy Qur'an instructs Prophet Muhammad savs himself to follow the religion of Abraham savs? By completely rejecting Hadiths, you are also rejecting those important teachings that help us understand how to perform certain religious duties, the religious duties of the religion of Abraham savs (Islam).

I agree with you, but there is a difference between rejecting hadith as an integral part of the Quran or rejecting hadith totally. I do not reject Hadith totally, but I reject them as divine guidance. By divine I mean the word of Allah.

The rest of your post, I really like.

KDC501

There is not a single verse in the Quran that forbids a person from praying naked. So why should there be a dispute in what God has not forbidden??? Anything that is not in the Quran should be left for the believer to decide. If he or she decides to wear or not wear clothing during the contact prayer then that is his or her choice.

The only time I personally believe this practice will be conceive as indecent (according to the Quran and not by most of our standards) is when you and I pray in front of other people who ought not to see our nakedness by law. Read Sura 2431 .

Also take note that the best garment is the garment of awareness/righteousness.
726 O Children of Adam, We have sent down for you garments to cover your bodies, as well as ornaments; and the garment of awareness is the best. That is from God's signs, perhaps they will remember.

I cannot concieve that God would punish a person just because he (or she) chooses to pray naked (except only in front of other people who ought not to see his or her nakedness). Also again there is not single verse that forbids the act of praying nude. This choice is left to the believer.

Peace,

Kevin

Roshan

Salaam--

I do not claim to know it all. No one does, but Allah SWT. I do not claim to understand Islam 100%, as I personally believe that Islam is a way of life that is acquired and always unfolding before me a path to the Truth. Also, I do not claim that I 100%understand the Holy Qur'an, nor do I 100% know all of the Hadiths that exist. I do, however, believe that Hadiths require reform and revision as many, that I personally have heard of and read, have lead the Muslim Ummah astray (ie. some Muslims engage in behaviors that are unislamic, such as stoning of adulterers). I also believe that it is the Holy Qur'an that should explain our basic and most important believes and it is the Holy Qur'an that should be the backbone of any other additional religious teachings/inspirations.

Having said all of that, I must say that many of the things mentioned by Free Minds makes sense to me. But, I could not help but notice some diviatory teachings that threaten to open hellgates for Muslims. For example

In discussing how Hadiths are basically worthless and complete blasphemy, the Free Minds tells Muslims that the Holy Qur'an does not provide specific way to pray salat/contact prayers and that if one wishes he/she could pray naked. That statement floored me as I view it as an invitation for people to show no respect to Allah SWT. If one is encouraged to dress appropriately when in community, and when praying with others, then why not show even better respect to the One who created us all by dressing appropriately in private as well?
While discussing menstrual cycle, the Free Minds states that the Holy Qur'an allows women to pray while menstruating. Really? It makes no sense then that Allah SWT would require of women to take a bath prior to sexual intercourse with their husbands. That in itself shows that after menstruation ablution is required for prayer as well. After all, prayer is one a higher level of chastity, worship than procreation. Sexual intercourse is there for human need, not Allah's SWT as He is not dependent on anyone.

Peace

Are you talking about salat/dua?

To most long term members, I am pretty sure, salat is not necessarily prayer in the sectarian way, but then again, nor is dua.

Personally, I believe I can call on God (dua) anytime I want. I see no prohibition of this and bearing in mind God sees everything and creates us naked, what is the big deal here.

With regards to salat, why not search the Quran yourself on openburhan.com to see for yourself.

It seems that you are superimposing your own opinions over the Quran.

Right now, you are Alice looking down the rabbit hole.

Do you want to know how deep it really goes?

Roshan