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    Jafar
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    Based on the History of Rise and Fall of United States of America. US use Interest free Credit Money for Resources Allocation and Building Infrastructure. Lincoln Won the Civil War, and build The US transcontinental Railroad. FDR, build so much Infrastructure, it help the push back Nazi Germany, and Defeat Japanese Empire.

    The fall of USA, one simple answer, Usury.

    Nope, he uses 'fiat money', a money which are not backed by anything at all (gold or whatever) since they were lacking in such commodities at that time. The same way Hitler fund the 'revitalization' of german's military might after big losses on WWI. (research MEFO Bills)

    "Fiat Money" alone (With or without interest is irrelevant) will not work without directing the country towards 'mercantilism' (read Banning import and controlling export, economy in isolation) . As "fiat money" depends on the 'trust' towards those who are issuing it. Usually it works only with the state citizens (where the authority lies) and not foreigners.

    The negative effect of such policy is such country/state will become excluded from international trade and business. Japan and China did that in middle ages and the results is not good in the long run. It might works only in the short run.

    Maoist China reinstate mercantilism during his period, (as part of the so called 'cultural revolution&#039 and it works miserably in the long run, although it seems to work during very few years of its implementation. Deng Xiaoping abandoned that approach and open up China for international trade and investment.

    And the result is astonishing, go down to your local supermarket and see how china products are filling out the shelves. Monetary wise, they maintain a strict / controlled currencies (RMB) pegged / backed by commodities (gold,silver, exotic metals) and foreign currencies (USD,EURO,Yen,Baht) which they earn by exporting their products.

    At the moment China is #1 in the world in term of reserves.
    http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_foreign_exchange_reserves

    The down slide of USA (they're not yet fallen yet) is pretty much an 'old formula' being repeated all over again.

    When a nation became wealthy and/or powerful they became 'lazy' and they tend to misuse their power and wealth (corruption). They wasted a lot of effort and resources on war which does not bring any benefits to the common good but only to a handful of elites.

    Within USA (and also western europe) we're witnessing a 'de-industrialization' happening before our own eyes. Because China, India and other developing countries are more productive and innovative than they are now. China, India and other developing countries produce better and cheaper products and also provide better and cheaper services. The so-called 'first world country' cannot compete with the so-called 'third world country' as we speak.

    Instead of realizing the fact, some of their political leader still living in a dream of 'first world supremacy' and waste efforts and resources towards endeavors which doesn't matter to the common people. (But perhaps matter so much for their personal wealth or ambition).

    That's the main reason...

    Within China, the government are 'giving away free non-collateral credits / loans in RMB' (not only it's without interest but it's subsidized!!) to promote job creation. With such cheap (read free) capital in hand they expand their businesses worldwide. We're witnessing companies such as CNOOC, Huawei, ZTE, FoxConn etc.. rapidly growing and expanding their businesses worldwide.

    Smart 'western companies' are taking advantage of this China's government policy and moved their operations there and create jobs within china (while taking away jobs from their homeland). This again worsen the condition of their home country's economy and further boost china rapid industrialization and economy.

    China does levied taxes to both foreigner and citizen within their territory. And this tax filled up the state coffers which enable them to maintain many variant of 'subsidy' and public services to their citizen.

    At the same they are trying to combat corruption within their state organization because they knew very well corruption shall lead to downfall and misery. It's among few countries that I know who enforce 'death penalty' to officials who are guilty of taking bribes. Whether they succeed on this battle or they suffered the same fate as other 'wealthy countries' only time will tell.

    Salam / Peace

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      Nope, he uses 'fiat money', a money which are not backed by anything at all (gold or whatever) since they were lacking in such commodities at that time. The same way Hitler fund the 'revitalization' of german's military might after big losses on WWI. (research MEFO Bills)

      "Fiat Money" alone (With or without interest is irrelevant) will not work without directing the country towards 'mercantilism' (read Banning import and controlling export, economy in isolation) . As "fiat money" depends on the 'trust' towards those who are issuing it. Usually it works only with the state citizens (where the authority lies) and not foreigners.

      The negative effect of such policy is such country/state will become excluded from international trade and business. Japan and China did that in middle ages and the results is not good in the long run. It might works only in the short run.

      Maoist China reinstate mercantilism during his period, (as part of the so called 'cultural revolution&#039 and it works miserably in the long run, although it seems to work during very few years of its implementation. Deng Xiaoping abandoned that approach and open up China for international trade and investment.

      And the result is astonishing, go down to your local supermarket and see how china products are filling out the shelves. Monetary wise, they maintain a strict / controlled currencies (RMB) pegged / backed by commodities (gold,silver, exotic metals) and foreign currencies (USD,EURO,Yen,Baht) which they earn by exporting their products.

      At the moment China is #1 in the world in term of reserves.
      http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_foreign_exchange_reserves

      The down slide of USA (they're not yet fallen) is pretty much an 'old formula' being repeated all over again.

      When a nation became wealthy and/or powerful they became 'lazy' and they tend to misuse their power and wealth (corruption). They wasted a lot of effort and resources on war which does not bring any benefits to the common good but only to a handful of elites.

      Within USA (and also western europe) we're witnessing a 'de-industrialization' happening before our own eyes. Because China, India and other developing countries are more productive and innovative than they are now. China, India and other developing countries produce better and cheaper products and also provide better and cheaper services. The so-called 'first world country' cannot compete with the so-called 'third world country' as we speak.

      Instead of realizing the fact, some of their political leader still living in a dream of 'first world supremacy' and waste efforts and resources towards endeavors which doesn't matter to the common people. (But perhaps matter so much for their personal wealth or ambition).

      That's the main reason...

      Within China, the government are 'giving away free non-collateral credits / loans in RMB' (not only it's without interest but it's subsidized!!) to promote job creation. With such cheap (read free) capital in hand they expand their businesses worldwide. We're witnessing companies such as CNOOC, Huawei, ZTE, FoxConn etc.. rapidly growing and expanding their businesses worldwide.

      Smart 'western companies' are taking advantage of this China's government policy and moved their operations there and create jobs within china (while taking away jobs from their homeland). This again worsen the condition of their home country's economy and further boost china rapid industrialization and economy.

      China does levied taxes to both foreigner and citizen within their territory. And this tax filled up the state coffers which enable them to maintain many variant of 'subsidy' and public services to their citizen.

      At the same they are trying to combat corruption within their state organization because they knew very well corruption shall lead to downfall and misery. It's among few countries that I know who enforce 'death penalty' to officials who are guilty of taking bribes. Whether they succeed on this battle or they suffered the same fate as other 'wealthy countries' only time will tell.

      Salam / Peace

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        Nope, he uses 'fiat money', a money which are not backed by anything at all (gold or whatever) since they were lacking in such commodities at that time. The same way Hitler fund the 'revitalization' of german's military might after big losses on WWI. (research MEFO Bills)
        Salam / Peace

        Fiat Money is a Power to Oppress or Liberate.

        USA defeat Nazi Germany and Japan Empire not with Gold but with Paper. Germany reconstruction after World War is because of Fiat Money.

        "Fiat Money" alone (With or without interest is irrelevant) will not work without directing the country towards 'mercantilism' (read Banning import and controlling export, economy in isolation) . As "fiat money" depends on the 'trust' towards those who are issuing it. Usually it works only with the state citizens (where the authority lies) and not foreigners.

        China is using "Mercantilism" right Now. USA must use Mercantilism.
        The People re-establish their Authority of Issuing Money, and remove the Foreign Bankers.

        Maoist China reinstate mercantilism during his period, (as part of the so called 'cultural revolution&#039 and it works miserably in the long run, although it seems to work during very few years of its implementation. Deng Xiaoping abandoned that approach and open up China for international trade and investment.

        Maoist China stupid Central Planning.

        And the result is astonishing, go down to your local supermarket and see how china products are filling out the shelves. Monetary wise, they maintain a strict / controlled currencies (RMB) pegged / backed by commodities (gold,silver, exotic metals) and foreign currencies (USD,EURO,Yen,Baht) which they earn by exporting their products.

        At the moment China is #1 in the world in term of reserves.
        http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_foreign_exchange_reserves

        Salam / Peace

        Slave Labor Wages are Cheap. China Mercantilism. RMB are not backed by Gold&Silver. RMB are backed by their Physical Economy.

        The down slide of USA (they're not yet fallen yet) is pretty much an 'old formula' being repeated all over again.

        When a nation became wealthy and/or powerful they became 'lazy' and they tend to misuse their power and wealth (corruption). They wasted a lot of effort and resources on war which does not bring any benefits to the common good but only to a handful of elites.

        Lazy is Natural, its up to those who immune to it, the Hardworking People to save themselves, their community, their society.

        Within USA (and also western europe) we're witnessing a 'de-industrialization' happening before our own eyes. Because China, India and other developing countries are more productive and innovative than they are now. China, India and other developing countries produce better and cheaper products and also provide better and cheaper services. The so-called 'first world country' cannot compete with the so-called 'third world country' as we speak.

        "Free Trade" is bad for USA. Main cause for 'de-industrialization'. China use Mercantilism. USA can compete by using Mercantilism. No more Free Trade for USA. Mercantilism can save USA.

        Instead of realizing the fact, some of their political leader still living in a dream of 'first world supremacy' and waste efforts and resources towards endeavors which doesn't matter to the common people. (But perhaps matter so much for their personal wealth or ambition).

        That's the main reason...

        Win the Politics. Politics can be use for Evil or Good. Good people must win it.

        Within China, the government are 'giving away free non-collateral credits / loans in RMB' (not only it's without interest but it's subsidized!!) to promote job creation. With such cheap (read free) capital in hand they expand their businesses worldwide. We're witnessing companies such as CNOOC, Huawei, ZTE, FoxConn etc.. rapidly growing and expanding their businesses worldwide.

        Agree. USA must do that too.

        Smart 'western companies' are taking advantage of this China's government policy and moved their operations there and create jobs within china (while taking away jobs from their homeland). This again worsen the condition of their home country's economy and further boost china rapid industrialization and economy.

        Agree. USA must do that too.

        China does levied taxes to both foreigner and citizen within their territory. And this tax filled up the state coffers which enable them to maintain many variant of 'subsidy' and public services to their citizen.

        Agree. USA must do that too.

        At the same they are trying to combat corruption within their state organization because they knew very well corruption shall lead to downfall and misery. It's among few countries that I know who enforce 'death penalty' to officials who are guilty of taking bribes. Whether they succeed on this battle or they suffered the same fate as other 'wealthy countries' only time will tell.

        Solve Poverty, Solve Corruption.

        2268
        Satan threatens you with poverty and orders you to immorality, while Allah promises you forgiveness from Him and bounty. And Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing.

        Making food so abundance, its Free, is Main Action to solve Poverty.
        No need Money to buy Food. No need Silver&Gold to buy Food.

        "Victory Garden" during World War 2. http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_Gs7Vik75k

        in Conclusion

        1. So we can agree, Fiat Money can be use for Evil or Good?
        2. Put Good People in Government.
        3. Create a Good Government to Defend US against Evil Government.
        4. In "Free Market", you are Free to make "Fiat Money", Mercantilism, Community, a Country with borders and Tariffs.
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          Salaam,

          'we need taxation'?

          Do we? And who is the ?we? you reference, does it include all those who do not wish to pay taxation for the services they may not want?

          I do not want the monopolies of services imposed by any government, they are inefficient, and unaccountable, and the alternative is far far better. All services you require must be established through personal responsibility, are you a child, or mentally incompetent?

          In the law if you require someone else to make decisions for you then the law deems you either a child or mentally incompetent, if you need representing by a government you are like an irresponsible child, you accept blindly the dictates of the parent, unfortunately with all government as parent they function as a clinical psychopath.

          Instead of thinking government corporations provide something, think what they cost, and investigate the alternative ways in which to establish services that require no government, only community, the natural law of the land provides a structure to function within as a man or woman of social freedom, it is in establishing this as a basis you take back your responsibilities, you make yourself fully liable for your actions, you establish lawful protection without imposition, this is the way forward to implement Islam once more upon the earth.

          Muhammad did not tax, he could never have done so as he was establishing Islam, which demands you take responsibility for yourself, Muhammad did however establish lawful contracts with people who wished to join the community, not as a state, not as a government, not as a nation, not to be subjects, but a contract to exist with the natural law of the land, under its protection.

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            There is government in community. There is a parent in Family. Governmne to Self, is Self-Government.

            Before we find alternative, we have to setup a good environment with tried and tested methods.

            Sure, find alternative method, when Anglo-American Imperialist at war with the world. I did said "Imperialist" most American, Anglo are not Imperialist, Some are.

            British Empire is not dead, the still have Canada and Australia. French Imperialist is at war with Libya recently.

            Why Imperialist bad...they are in poverty, they need to own the world. Will Anglo-American Imperialist be good someday?

            The only good Imperialist are dead Imperialist.

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              Salaam,

              are you a child?

              Do you need a parent to impose upon you as a superior?

              If so you are free to allow a sovereign government to dictate upon you, but you are not a Muslim if you do so, as Allah is the only sovereign.

              Are you trying to remove your responsibilities and seek another to take them, in the form of a representative, then being viewed in law as mentally incompetent?

              If so you are a slave, you bind yourself to the service of a master for the benefits they grant you.

              The misery of the world is in the ignorance and apathy from people who could do something to remove the parasites, but remain silent or worse give support to the slave masters, in this modern prison planet of free range slave farms.

              The answer is within the four models of Islam, the most powerful change will arrive when people once more see Islam as a way to exist in the world and shed the religion designed to hold them in poverty and ignorance.

              Read the contract of community which explains the natural law of the land, of every land on earth, if you want to see how lawful society is structured without government, do not be so quick to give blind support to the only system you have been exposed to.

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                "All Sex is Rape"?
                "All Government is Totalitarian"?
                what do you think?

                Salaam,

                are you a child?

                Do you need a parent to impose upon you as a superior?

                I do not say that.

                If so you are free to allow a sovereign government to dictate upon you, but you are not a Muslim if you do so, as Allah is the only sovereign.

                I do not allow a Man-made sovereign government to dictate upon me.
                Allah is the only sovereign government to dictate upon me.

                Are you trying to remove your responsibilities and seek another to take them, in the form of a representative, then being viewed in law as mentally incompetent?

                I do not.

                If so you are a slave, you bind yourself to the service of a master for the benefits they grant you.

                I am not slave to other Human. I grow my own food, my life depends on Allah.

                The misery of the world is in the ignorance and apathy from people who could do something to remove the parasites, but remain silent or worse give support to the slave masters, in this modern prison planet of free range slave farms.

                Share with us, your experience on removing the Parasites. It'll may be great help to all.

                The answer is within the four models of Islam, the most powerful change will arrive when people once more see Islam as a way to exist in the world and shed the religion designed to hold them in poverty and ignorance.

                Kindly, show me/produce a thread that explains the "four models of Islam", and I will judge by what Allah has revealed.

                Read the contract of community which explains the natural law of the land, of every land on earth, if you want to see how lawful society is structured without government,

                Semantics Argument. Governing your self is a Government.

                Government can be mean "Total Government", "Limited Government" or a Human Being Govern by no other human but by their self("Self-Government&quot.

                Evidence of "Self-Government";

                • Indeed, Allah will not change the condition of a people until they change what is in themselves (Quran 1311)

                do not be so quick to give blind support to the only system you have been exposed to.

                "only system", now that plain "lying accusation". I have 8 editions of Black's Law Dictionary. I know Common Law/Natural Law. I know Republic System, I know Monarchy system, I know "True Communism" system, I even know Jacque Fresco system.
                "only systems" is more correct.

                "Government" can be "Limited Government",eg. limited to the prescribe duty assign to them and made not "sovereign government".

                To you too. "Freeman on the Land", its good when the other Government, ie Canada-British corporations abide to Common Law/Natural Law.

                Have a Stinger Missile if you're living in Yemen, bombarded by Predator Drones as Common Law do nothing to Criminals and Outlaws.

                "Freeman on the Land" Jokes
                Producer I DO NOT GIVE CONSENT to be bomb by Predator Drones.
                Criminals Sorry we are Criminals, what do you expect?
                Producer Eat my FIM-92 Stinger Missile!
                Criminals Haha, we have thousands more
                Producer ...I need more Stinger Missile !!!

                What do you think? "All Government is Totalitarian"?

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                  Salaam Producer,

                  you write 'without' understanding the subject, yet you live in a world under the control of dominating systems and do not grasp how they function, the media whore of the accumulated wealth elite misdirect and confuse the truth endlessly.

                  I can explain a single system for you to make it clear, I have written an affidavit of allodium claim as a method to take back our inalienable right to exist without being the slaves of the elite, if you read that short affidavit example you will understand ownership, if you want to understand the allodial right of use system I'll also give you that link

                  http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/197/239/

                  Allodial right of use

                  http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/68/98/

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                    Salaam Producer,

                    you write 'without' understanding the subject, yet you live in a world under the control of dominating systems and do not grasp how they function, the media whore of the accumulated wealth elite misdirect and confuse the truth endlessly.

                    I can explain a single system for you to make it clear, I have written an affidavit of allodium claim as a method to take back our inalienable right to exist without being the slaves of the elite, if you read that short affidavit example you will understand ownership, if you want to understand the allodial right of use system I'll also give you that link

                    http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/197/239/

                    Allodial right of use

                    http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/68/98/

                    Salaam Abdun Nur
                    I have been reading your posts and have been on your site too, it makes lot of sense what you are suggesting but the questions are
                    Will these vulture who are so used to supressing and eating off of ordirnay people, let you or me implement this system?
                    Did you read Gaddafi's green book and his idea of how to include everyone in the running of the country and how he managed to show the hypocricy of Western "democracy"? It made a lot of sense yet see how they called him "Mad dog" for that and eventually murdered him to stamp out his ideas and practice.
                    So, if your idea take off, do you really think that they will leave you alone or even allow you to post on web sites?
                    peace

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                      Salaam IMHO,

                      the parasites function under presumptions of law and fact, these presumptions are lies, if you state the truth of law and fact in an affidavit, which is a sworn statement in front of witnesses, you have it signed by those witnesses and you get in notarised by a notary public, you send it, recorded delivery, to the head of the legal systems, the head of the government, the head of the state, and allow them 40 days to rebut your affidavit, if they do not reply, which they will not as you have stated the truth, and they can only rebut a lie, for which they must provide proofs, you have an unrebutted affidavit.

                      An unrebutted affidavit is the most powerful document in a court of law, you can admit the affidavit of evidence in any claim against you for the rest of your life, this means you have removed as presumption of law and fact, in effect you have made the court lawful, not legal.

                      They did indeed murder Gaddafi in the vilest way, they defiled his body and buried him in the desert in an unmarked grave, the height of disrespect. The problem with Gaddafi was he held state as important, I do not, I see the law as the key, not the government, I see legislation the problem, legislation is making what is unlawful, lawful. Do anyone think that is a good idea?

                      Gaddafi prevented the men in Libya arming themselves, which he should not have done, he should have provided training within a polycentric community system, removing the fiction of government, he should have removed ownership and established the lawful allodial right of use system, he should have removed the idea of money as of value and made people recognise that physical human labour is the only generator of wealth, removing the fiction of fiat money. He should have made the truth the most treasure possession any man in Libya possessed.

                      As for me, I'm not of any importance, the truth does not need me to be the truth.

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                        They did indeed murder Gaddafi in the vilest way, they defiled his body and . The problem with Gaddafi was he held state as important, I do not, I see the law as the key, not the government, I see legislation the problem, legislation is making what is unlawful, lawful. Do anyone think that is a good idea?

                        Gaddafi prevented the men in Libya arming themselves, which he should not have done, he should have provided training within a polycentric community system, removing the fiction of government, he should have removed ownership and established the lawful allodial right of use system, As for me, I'm not of any importance, the truth does not need me to be the truth.

                        Salaam Abdun Nur
                        I have not know Gaddafi personally but he has been leading Libya for 42 years and ,using common sense and applying just reasoning convinced me that Gaddafi was not the monstar they projected him to be. In fact I was really impressed with how peaceful he looked in death, despite all insults and degradation he was exposed to. I do no think that burying him in the desert in an unmarked grave, was the height of disrespect, as I am sure any true muslim would like to return to Allah with no more interst in what mark where his earthly body is left to decompose.
                        Any way I wanted to point out a few passages from his green book which are similar to what you propose and, as you said, of course he made mistakes so we can learn from that, but on the whole its quite similar to what you propose.
                        See page 9 The abrogation of natural laws from human societies and their replacement by
                        conventional laws is the fundamental danger that threatens freedom. Any ruling system
                        must be made subservient to natural laws, not the reverse.
                        Page 8; True democracy has but one method and one theory. The dissimilarity and diversity of the
                        systems claiming to be democratic do, in fact, provide evidence that they are not so.
                        Authority of the people has but one face which can only be realized through Popular
                        Conferences and People's Committees. There can be no democracy without Popular
                        Conferences and Committees everywhere.
                        First, the people are divided into Basic Popular Conferences. Each Basic Popular
                        Conference chooses its secretariat. The secretariats of all Popular Conferences together
                        form Non-Basic Popular Conferences. Subsequently, the masses of the Basic Popular
                        Conferences select administrative People's Committees to replace government
                        administration. All public institutions are run by People's Committees which will be
                        accountable to the Basic Popular Conferences which dictate the policy and supervise its
                        execution. Thus, both the administration and the supervision become the people's and the
                        outdated definition of democracy - democracy is the supervision of the government by the
                        people - becomes obsolete. It will be replaced by the true definition Democracy is the
                        supervision of the people by the people.
                        All citizens who are members of these Popular.....
                        You can read detail here http//911-truth.net/other-books/Muammar-Qaddafi-Green-Book-Eng.pdf

                        he should have removed the idea of money as of value and made people recognise that physical human labour is the only generator of wealth, removing the fiction of fiat money. He should have made the truth the most treasure possession any man in Libya possessed.

                        What angered US most as he wanted to replace dollar with silver and develop new system... hmm
                        BTW I fully appreciate you stand that An unrebutted affidavit is the most powerful document in a court of law
                        But which court of law and where?
                        peace

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                          Salaam IMHO,

                          the disrespect was not for Gaddafi, but the members of his family, who may wish to know where he is laid to rest, the dead do not care, the living always do if they love the one whose gone.

                          An unrebutted affidavit is powerful in every court of law, of course you have to know what a court of law is, the first requirement of a lawful court is a complete and accurate record of all proceedings, not many courts even manage that.

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                            Salaam Producer,

                            you write 'without' understanding the subject, yet you live in a world under the control of dominating systems and do not grasp how they function, the media whore of the accumulated wealth elite misdirect and confuse the truth endlessly.

                            I can explain a single system for you to make it clear, I have written an affidavit of allodium claim as a method to take back our inalienable right to exist without being the slaves of the elite, if you read that short affidavit example you will understand ownership, if you want to understand the allodial right of use system I'll also give you that link

                            http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/197/239/

                            Allodial right of use

                            http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/68/98/

                            Ad Hominem, if you're clever enough to know what it is.

                            you have nothing to criticize the idea, and accusing me with media whore.

                            What do you do about the Criminal NATO, who don't care your rights?

                            Will the British-American Imperialist abide by the Common Law?

                            "I do not Consent", tell that to the Libyans, when they are facing NATO bombardment.

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                              double post

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                                Salaam Producer,

                                you did not read the links from you response.

                                How do you protect from NATO, you establish the Islamic systems, the elite work hard to prevent this and have succeeded in their goals, these alternative systems drain the advantage from the attacker, if you have a system that has no centralised government, like Afganistan, it is almost impossible for the elite to dominate it. If you have a system that has no concept of ownership, and a business system that has no employees, they cannot enslave you to their corporations, the answer cannot be found in marches, riots, voting, or representatives, it is found in law, the natural law is designed to protect, it cannot impose, as legislation does, legislation makes what is unlawful, lawful, if you read the contract of community on my website the natural law and the systems it demands are explained.

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                                  Salaam Abdun Nur,

                                  Salaam Producer,

                                  you did not read the links from you response.

                                  How do you protect from NATO, you establish the Islamic systems, the elite work hard to prevent this and have succeeded in their goals, these alternative systems drain the advantage from the attacker, if you have a system that has no centralised government, like Afganistan, it is almost impossible for the elite to dominate it. If you have a system that has no concept of ownership, and a business system that has no employees, they cannot enslave you to their corporations, the answer cannot be found in marches, riots, voting, or representatives, it is found in law, the natural law is designed to protect, it cannot impose, as legislation does, legislation makes what is unlawful, lawful, if you read the contract of community on my website the natural law and the systems it demands are explained.

                                  Please stop accusing me.

                                  6147 If they accuse thee of falsehood, say "Your Lord is full of mercy all-embracing; but from people in guilt never will His wrath be turned back.

                                  I've read it. I have 8 edition of Blacks Law dictionary, I know the common law. I know the Natural law

                                  How do you protect from NATO, you establish the Islamic systems, the elite work hard to prevent this and have succeeded in their goals, these alternative systems drain the advantage from the attacker,

                                  examples, evidences that the "Islamic systems" works.

                                  if you have a system that has no centralised government, like Afganistan, it is almost impossible for the elite to dominate it.

                                  Aghanistan, live like them. Well that's my fallback position, hide in my bunker.

                                  I don't want to live in bunker for the rest of my life when I have the knowledge, to stop the the Imperialist Elites from dominating us in the first place and live as free as possible.

                                  If you have a system that has no concept of ownership, and a business system that has no employees, they cannot enslave you to their corporations, the answer cannot be found in marches, riots, voting, or representatives, it is found in law, the natural law is designed to protect, it cannot impose, as legislation does, legislation makes what is unlawful, lawful, if you read the contract of community on my website the natural law and the systems it demands are explained.

                                  The Criminals have Robots making Robots factory since 1989 ;
                                  http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SREct28lJM

                                  what laws can stop a criminals with thousand of predator drones shooting at you?

                                  plus, Talon Robots
                                  http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=yliThCy3RxY

                                  plus, Gladiator Robots
                                  http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9FOOs-8syU

                                  Do you think the Evil people will find better ways to oppress People?

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                                    Salaam Producer,

                                    quiet clearly you do not understand the law, and you seem to be intentionally dim, I did not say live just as the Afgans, I said the thing that has protected them from the repeated attempts to dominate them has been the polycentric community structure they have in place, a result of the tribal grouping structure, it is the example of this grouping structure I am refering to.

                                    I doubt seriously you have read the links I posted, you may have glaced at the first paragraph, if you did read them you absorbed nothing, I notice this trait with many, they refuse to understand and continue to spout the same complaints, it has taken me several years to fully grasp the natural law, and you say you are fully versed, simply from reading the black's law dictionary, please explain the structure of a court, the purpose and power of an unrebutted affidavit, do animals have rights in natural law, but I guess, I don't accuse, you will not answer, you will restate the same post you have written previously in this thread, and accuse me of being insulting.

                                    The situation of Jinn (clinical psychopaths) dominating the family of Adam has not arrived over night, we have lived in fear, fear is the way the Jinn take control, small fears at first, and slowly they steal more and more control, until you arrive at the point of drone bombs and battleships, drugged soliders murdering without conscience, a media whore that supports murder, poverty, ignorance and lies. So to stop that will not happen over night, and the first step is to remove the fear, take responsibility for your own actions, become fully liable and accountable for yourself, remove the fictions of law placed upon you personally, remove the imposition of state upon yourself, as it is only upon yourself you can be an example. To remove the drone bombs, the soliders of the Jinn, the banksters draining the wealth of the world, is by becoming an example, by taking back your inalienable rights, living under the immutable laws of nature, by refusing to use the fictions invented to steal, like corporations, states and fiat money. Are you willing to do that? Most are not, so the bombs fall.

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                                      Salaam Producer,

                                      quiet clearly you do not understand the law, and you seem to be intentionally dim, I did not say live just as the Afgans, I said the thing that has protected them from the repeated attempts to dominate them has been the polycentric community structure they have in place, a result of the tribal grouping structure, it is the example of this grouping structure I am refering to.

                                      I question your comprehension of reality.

                                      1. Yes, Most Parts of British-American Govt do uphold to the Common law Court. 2. CIA does assassination all the time, even though the victims clearly do not give consent. These I called Criminals.

                                      The Law cannot Stop Criminals, Arms do. What about Nuclear Arms?

                                      I doubt seriously you have read the links I posted, you may have glaced at the first paragraph, if you did read them you absorbed nothing, I notice this trait with many, they refuse to understand and continue to spout the same complaints, it has taken me several years to fully grasp the natural law, and you say you are fully versed, simply from reading the black's law dictionary, please explain the structure of a court, the purpose and power of an unrebutted affidavit, do animals have rights in natural law, but I guess, I don't accuse, you will not answer, you will restate the same post you have written previously in this thread, and accuse me of being insulting.

                                      Criminals follows the LAW?

                                      The situation of Jinn (clinical psychopaths) dominating the family of Adam has not arrived over night, we have lived in fear, fear is the way the Jinn take control, small fears at first, and slowly they steal more and more control, until you arrive at the point of drone bombs and battleships, drugged soliders murdering without conscience, a media whore that supports murder, poverty, ignorance and lies. So to stop that will not happen over night, and the first step is to remove the fear, take responsibility for your own actions, become fully liable and accountable for yourself, remove the fictions of law placed upon you personally, remove the imposition of state upon yourself, as it is only upon yourself you can be an example. To remove the drone bombs, the soliders of the Jinn, the banksters draining the wealth of the world, is by becoming an example, by taking back your inalienable rights, living under the immutable laws of nature, by refusing to use the fictions invented to steal, like corporations, states and fiat money. Are you willing to do that? Most are not, so the bombs fall.

                                      "I'm not a Person , I'm a Human Being". "I do NOT give Consent, to you CRIMINALS, to Invade my Allodial Land".

                                      Let me suggest you what LAWS criminals abides to, ARMS, lot of arms. What do you think?

                                      In American Revolutionary War, American Continental Congress Clearly do not give their Consent to be killed by the Criminal British.

                                      Clearly your Common Law Do NOT work on Criminals.

                                      You have until now nothing against Criminals. you can atleast say "arms".

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                                        Salaam Producer,

                                        The situation of Jinn (clinical psychopaths) dominating the family of Adam has not arrived over night, we have lived in fear, fear is the way the Jinn take control, small fears at first, and slowly they steal more and more control, until you arrive at the point of drone bombs and battleships, drugged soliders murdering without conscience, a media whore that supports murder, poverty, ignorance and lies. So to stop that will not happen over night, and the first step is to remove the fear, take responsibility for your own actions, become fully liable and accountable for yourself, remove the fictions of law placed upon you personally, remove the imposition of state upon yourself, as it is only upon yourself you can be an example. To remove the drone bombs, the soliders of the Jinn, the banksters draining the wealth of the world, is by becoming an example, by taking back your inalienable rights, living under the immutable laws of nature, by refusing to use the fictions invented to steal, like corporations, states and fiat money. Are you willing to do that? Most are not, so the bombs fall.

                                        Couldn't agree with you more handshake

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                                          "Death to Heaven, is Absolute Freedom".

                                          Abdun Nur, You have nothing to fear about me.
                                          I have nothing against "Allodium Claim", "Allodial Earth".
                                          Proof to the world it works. If it works, that is Good, that is Great.

                                          Free from man's tyranny , is obedience to Allah, even if it kills you.

                                          3157
                                          And if you are killed or die in the Way of Allah, forgiveness and mercy from Allah are far better than all that they amass.

                                          so, no worries, no fear about getting killed by bombs, nukes, poison, war, etc, because

                                          "Death to Heaven, is Absolute Freedom".

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