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Other/Modern messengers of God?

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    Kaiokenred
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    He is the One GOD; the Creator, the Initiator, the Designer. To Him belong the most beautiful names. Glorifying Him is everything in the heavens and the earth. He is the Almighty, Most Wise.

    It's funny how debates rage on about simple semantics... As far as the average submitter is concerned, GOD almighty is our lord.. and we call Him by whatever name we consider most holy, most deserving of His greatness, based on our linguistic understanding and cultural past.

    http//www.islam4kids.com/i4k/poems/Allah_is_One_God.gif

    Oh and that verse clearly says He is Allah, not One God

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      good_logic
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      ALLAH = Arabic, GOD =English, DIEU= French, etc... The language is not important. The creator could send HIS scripture in any language.

      4144 If We made it a non- Arabic Koran,( scripture) they would have said why did it come down in that language.( Whatever language GOD chooses, there is always those who want it in a different one?) Whether it is Arabic or non-Arabic ( It happens to be Arabic because the messenger was Arab! GOD sent the Torah in Hebrew, the language of the children of Israel and Jesus spoke Aramaic ,so the Gospel came in Aramaic) Say? For those who believe, it is a guide and healing; As for those who disbelieve, they will be deaf and blind to it ( Even if they were pure Arabs!) as if they were addressed from far away.? ( Nowadays no language is a barrier! The message is more important than the language! More importantly if GOD is the author, HE guides with HIS words those who choose to be guided?)

      Allah/God is your Lord and my Lord.
      Peace.

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        NOMAD
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        SALAAM TO ALL sun

        JESUS SPOKE ARAMAIC???proves?i never seen them IS JESUS ISA? ISA IBN MARYAM SISTER OF MUSA ...and surely elso theres no 2 Maryams nor 2 Isa thats the bigest misconception when you try to fit bible names and caracthers, fables and distortions to Explain the AQuran.
        and most of all geting in confusion by comparing ALQuran, Complete, detailed and simple, to be pondered meditated studied. Even Isaupanishadas or BadvadGuitta cor even other book non religious can give you a better understanding of what are the Signs of Creator than Bible or Hadice , but the better is to know them all and crosscheck History and arquology, Why the distances between cities that are discrabed in Bible dont fit the Map? Why Misrim (fortress cities) are transltaed as Egypt? We are here to Serve (ibada) trught good actions and remember The Creator constantly , HE is closer than jugular vain,

        Salaam from Old GharblAndalus

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          harris
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          Traditionalist translations aren't going to prove anything.
          God doesn't exist. That is the foundation of Islam. There is no god, there is only Allah
          God isn't a good name for Allah, as it's making Him look worse then what he is, an All-great Creator

          Those who insist that "Allah" is the personal name of God are somewhat short on Quranic knowledge. As the following verse states

          "Say, "Call Him Allah, or call Him the Rahman (The Almighty); whichever name you use, to Him belongs the "Asma al-Husna" (most beautiful names)." 17110

          This verse makes the issue very clear. God here is telling us that He does not have one specific name. In God's infinite Greatness, there is not one name that is sufficient to make reference to Him. Indeed to God belongs all the beautiful names. The Quran lists over 90 names for God and not just the word Allah. We can call Him Allah, we can call Him "Al-Rahman", or we can call him by any of the beautiful names that are worthy of Him. Whether we use the Arabic word for a name like "Al-Wahid" for example, or the English equivalant which is "The One" does not make any difference. The restriction to use the Arabic words to call God is not a condition set by God. For this would falsely imply that only the Arabic language is worthy of calling on God.

          Moreover, if God wanted us to call Him specifically by the name Allah, He would not include the words "whichever name you use" in 17110.

          Believers thousands of years ago, at the time of Noah and Abraham lived long before the revelation of the Quran. They knew God and they called God with various names, this once again confirms that to insist that only the word Allah is appropriate to refer to God is incorrect.

          Believers who quarrel about something as fundamental as this are just exhibiting another form of disbelief. Most people say they are believers, but in the end provide evidence against it.

          Peace.

          http//www.chilwellroadmethodist.org.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/1-I-Believe-In-One-God.jpg
          http//www.quran-islam.org/articles/god_or_allah_(P1160).html

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            Kaiokenred
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            Those who insist that "Allah" is the personal name of God are somewhat short on Quranic knowledge. As the following verse states

            "Say, "Call Him Allah, or call Him the Rahman (The Almighty); whichever name you use, to Him belongs the "Asma al-Husna" (most beautiful names)." 17110

            This verse makes the issue very clear. God here is telling us that He does not have one specific name. In God's infinite Greatness, there is not one name that is sufficient to make reference to Him. Indeed to God belongs all the beautiful names. The Quran lists over 90 names for God and not just the word Allah. We can call Him Allah, we can call Him "Al-Rahman", or we can call him by any of the beautiful names that are worthy of Him. Whether we use the Arabic word for a name like "Al-Wahid" for example, or the English equivalant which is "The One" does not make any difference. The restriction to use the Arabic words to call God is not a condition set by God. For this would falsely imply that only the Arabic language is worthy of calling on God.

            Moreover, if God wanted us to call Him specifically by the name Allah, He would not include the words "whichever name you use" in 17110.

            Believers thousands of years ago, at the time of Noah and Abraham lived long before the revelation of the Quran. They knew God and they called God with various names, this once again confirms that to insist that only the word Allah is appropriate to refer to God is incorrect.

            Believers who quarrel about something as fundamental as this are just exhibiting another form of disbelief. Most people say they are believers, but in the end provide evidence against it.

            Peace.

            http//www.chilwellroadmethodist.org.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/1-I-Believe-In-One-God.jpg
            http//www.quran-islam.org/articles/god_or_allah_(P1160).html

            Please read this before rambling your ignorant nonsense

            http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/7/27/

            Whichever name? So it's good if I call him Dude or mate? Or worse things I don't want to mentioned?
            By whichever name Allah means the good names that fit him like The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful etc...

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              harris
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              Please read this before rambling your ignorant nonsense

              http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/7/27/

              Whichever name? So it's good if I call him Dude or mate? Or worse things I don't want to mentioned?
              By whichever name Allah means the good names that fit him like The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful etc...

              If you think following the Holy Book is rambling ignorance, so be it.
              And if you genuinely wonder whether most beautiful names for GOD Almighty can include dude and mate, there's nothing I can add to that..debating anymore is an utter waste of my time.

              Khuda Hafiz.

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                Kaiokenred
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                If you think following the Holy Book is rambling ignorance, so be it.
                And if you genuinely wonder whether most beautiful names for GOD Almighty can include dude and mate, there's nothing I can add to that..debating anymore is an utter waste of my time.

                Khuda Hafiz.

                I wonder that because you said Allah can be called with all good names and implied god was a good name.(and that is a word, btw )

                Allah is not a god. God is not a beautiful name. God does not exist, that is the foundation of Islam. There is no god, there is only Allah.

                Following the Holy Book with the traditionalist translations you follow is like following hadith, just a little better.

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                  CyberAnthro
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                  the so called new messengers are trying to fill up some kind of hole in the same way a UFO abductee does. it's chaotic I don't understand why they go through all the effort of building a website and making powerpoint presentations and PDF's only to put out strawman arguments. ugh, shits weird man. Shits weird.

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                    the so called new messengers are trying to fill up some kind of hole in the same way a UFO abductee does. it's chaotic I don't understand why they go through all the effort of building a website and making powerpoint presentations and PDF's only to put out strawman arguments. ugh, shits weird man. Shits weird.

                    yes

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                      Man_of_Faith
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                      Jesus said there will come pretenders who are disguised ravenous wolves.

                      Well, the wolves are the sectarian clergy basically. A real rasuul (traditionally messenger) will not speak so much about a religious doctrine but more of a spiritual ascension program. The purpose is to help spiritually and not to impose a lot of weird rules. And this person is that by being a mirror of GOD or role model basically.

                      Edit And that includes the blackmailed man of Muhammad as according to hadith. That man can hardly have been a prophet and messenger. Too unrighteous.

                      Salaam

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