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    Allah Alone,

    Sunnism, Christianism residual mentality, that restrict higher intelligence, let it go.

    Allah Guidance, and Explanation do not constrict to a Book.

    I'm not Authorizing, Misleading Bukhari's Hadith, is Clearly Forbidden.

    316 And of the people is he who buys the amusement of speech/Hadith to mislead from the way of Allah without knowledge and who takes it in ridicule. Those will have a humiliating punishment.

    Allah provide through the realm of heaven and Earth to show the Truth.

    7185 Do they not look into the realm of the heavens and the earth and everything that Allah has created and that perhaps their appointed time has come near? So in what statement hereafter will they believe?

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      Hi

      after a long research, until dawn of almost everyday, a comparative study of 4 languages, english/frensh/spanish/arabic comparing with the language of the Quran , I came up with words that sounds to me, well, convinced me that it is the cleanest translation possible, what is the method i used, is , I believe that the modern arabic is very very different than the arab quran, and that the language of the quran is the original language of all mankind, in this case I ignored completely officiel history written by most of the time people who aren't honest, and specially written to change the futur and not to what it really was, and not what really happened in the past. so I completely ignored
      I put in my mind that prophet mohamed was Isa himself, the same person, and never exosted a different person called mohamed, it was in reality a position of Isa and the mighty messengers, they all has their SEAL mohamed ( Amended ) , specially after reading the messenger that comes after Isa , long after Isa is called Ahmed , and he will be a Mohamed too , the higest position in power .
      well , here is a few words i came up with

      Mohammad is Isa.. mighty messengers...highest position in power....Isa is called Ahmed....

      This is just ridiculous..

      We took from the Prophets their covenant and from you, from Noah and Abraham, from Moses and Jesus the son of Mary. We took a solemn covenant from them,

      In this verse, you can see that whom speaking with and Jesus were obviously different people. Do you think that Quran revealed to another prophet besides Mohammad? Please read the book more carefully.

      Peace.

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        Mohammad is Isa.. mighty messengers...highest position in power....Isa is called Ahmed....

        This is just ridiculous..

        We took from the Prophets their covenant and from you, from Noah and Abraham, from Moses and Jesus the son of Mary. We took a solemn covenant from them,

        In this verse, you can see that whom speaking with and Jesus were obviously different people. Do you think that Quran revealed to another prophet besides Mohammad? Please read the book more carefully.

        Peace.

        Who is "You"?

        Muhammad, in the Quran-Book;

        3144 Muhammad is not but a messenger. messengers have passed on before him. So if he was to die or be killed, would you turn back on your heels? And he who turns back on his heels will never harm Allah at all; but Allah will reward the grateful.

        3340 Muhammad is not the father of one of your men, but the Messenger of Allah and last of the prophets. And ever is Allah , of all things, Knowing.

        472 And those who believe and do righteous deeds and believe in what has been sent down upon Muhammad - and it is the truth from their Lord - He will remove from them their misdeeds and amend their condition.

        4829 Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah ; and those with him are forceful against the disbelievers, merciful among themselves. You see them bowing and prostrating, seeking bounty from Allah and pleasure. Their mark is on their faces from the trace of prostration. That is their description in the Torah. And their description in the Gospel is as a plant which produces its offshoots and strengthens them so they grow firm and stand upon their stalks, delighting the sowers - so that Allah may enrage by them the disbelievers. Allah has promised those who believe and do righteous deeds among them forgiveness and a great reward.

        For Jesus is Muhammad, Muhammad is Jesus, I have nothing to support that.

        maybe Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad is the same man, I have no proof of that.

        I need Verse from Quran that sound like, "Jesus said I am Muhammad"

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          Please, correct me if i made mistakes, and discuss if not satisfied , I have too many words in translation, that makes u feel reading english in arabic frensh and spanish, in other words, if a messenger speaks the true meaning of the quran, every nation of the world understands no matter what langage they speak, it is that we put the meaning of the words not in their context , that is why when en english hears the quran he feels it's a different language lol

          Salaam my dear brother,

          It is better to give some aayaats along with your meanings so that we can tally your meanings and understand it in a better way, inshaAllah.

          May Allah guide us all to His true path pr
          Mohammed M. Khan

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            Mohammad is Isa.. mighty messengers...highest position in power....Isa is called Ahmed....

            This is just ridiculous..

            We took from the Prophets their covenant and from you, from Noah and Abraham, from Moses and Jesus the son of Mary. We took a solemn covenant from them,

            In this verse, you can see that whom speaking with and Jesus were obviously different people. Do you think that Quran revealed to another prophet besides Mohammad? Please read the book more carefully.

            Peace.

            NoNo I didn't say Isa is Ahmed, I said Mohamed is the seal of the messengers that's all

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              Salaam my dear brother,

              It is better to give some aayaats along with your meanings so that we can tally your meanings and understand it in a better way, inshaAllah.

              May Allah guide us all to His true path pr
              Mohammed M. Khan

              salam brither

              Muhamed is no more than a messenger... al-imrane 44

              Massi son of miriam is no more than a messenger ... al-maida75

              anf if he is dead or killed ...al-imrane44

              They didn't kill him nor executed him... Nissa157

              look at the similarity of these ayahs, this is how the coran is written right?
              plus, the quran been hosted to messsengers in parts, every messenger received a part a,d puts it in the quran, until it was done by the time of ahmed or someone else after Isa, of in the time of Isa, for thee was other messengers in his ime, exemple, Yahya

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                it still a speculation.

                Repetition do not Justified it as a same Person.

                For examples;
                1.
                2+2=4,
                Hadith Bukhari narrates 2+2=4

                Thus,
                ....since Hadith Bukhari narrates 2+2=4, 2+2=4 may be wrong?

                Moses a Messenger
                Jesus a Messenger

                Thus Moses and Jesus is the same Person?

                Any Tyrannical Ruler will kill any Opposition to their Status.

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                  Who is "You"?

                  Muhammad, in the Quran-Book;

                  3144 Muhammad is not but a messenger. messengers have passed on before him. So if he was to die or be killed, would you turn back on your heels? And he who turns back on his heels will never harm Allah at all; but Allah will reward the grateful.

                  3340 Muhammad is not the father of one of your men, but the Messenger of Allah and last of the prophets. And ever is Allah , of all things, Knowing.

                  According to 340, (despite its correct translation should be "seal/closure of prophets&quot "you" must be who called as "Muhammad" in Quran. Because if prophets are ended/closed with Muhammed, latest script (Quran) must be revealed to him. If latest script in our hand is The Quran, then its prophet should be Muhammad. Just simple logic.

                  Peace.

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                    According to 340, (despite its correct translation should be "seal/closure of prophets&quot "you" must be who called as "Muhammad" in Quran. Because if prophets are ended/closed with Muhammed, latest script (Quran) must be revealed to him. If latest script in our hand is The Quran, then its prophet should be Muhammad. Just simple logic.

                    Peace.

                    If you translate the SEAL as the meaning of the LAST, than why Allah say

                    He is the First and the Last and the apprent and the hidden... sourah hadid 3
                    The last obviously is written AKHIR and not Khatim

                    the problem is , the word NABI doesn't tranlate PROPHET , BUT a Ruler who Rules with the BOOK of ALLAH , they can exist even now, they don't receive a message as messengers do, but if the people are honest and correct, they can understand the BOOK when they're rulers, thus they are NABI

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                    We gave the Torah in is heed and light, so will juge by it the NABIYEEN that asslamou ...

                    any juge, who asslama, and rule with the book is called a nabi , a rassoul is hagher, for he receives the Rissala

                    a prophet is someone who sees the Future and is called KAHIN in the Quran

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                      Makes so much more sense Loxbox, thank you for your understandings.

                      Especially the definition of "prophet" as "seer of the future" which makes far more sense because people try to portray all the prophets as godly beings when in reality they simply yielded to ALLAH when ALLAH called.

                      Few people have broken out of the word-prison that we keep ourselves in.

                      Words are inimately connected, not only by meaning but by the very nature of their roots, syllables, structure.

                      All words exist in relation to other word structures.

                      Peace

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                        Makes so much more sense Loxbox, thank you for your understandings.

                        Especially the definition of "prophet" as "seer of the future" which makes far more sense because people try to portray all the prophets as godly beings when in reality they simply yielded to ALLAH when ALLAH called.

                        Few people have broken out of the word-prison that we keep ourselves in.

                        Words are inimately connected, not only by meaning but by the very nature of their roots, syllables, structure.

                        All words exist in relation to other word structures.

                        Peace

                        Words are the most powerful thing in the human life, and words are the ROUH , that we live by
                        imagine , when you study how THEY sructured languages

                        Rouh , usually understood as spirit, but no one knows the real meaning , because it was hidden by our fellow humans in purpose, for imagine, Allh doesn't speak to us in words wr cannot comprehend, for that will be simply ridiculous

                        spirit = ESPRIT is frensh and spanish
                        whenever they want to hide a deep meaning of a word, THEY used the letter X
                        EXPRESSION is in reality ESPRESSION ESPR ESSION , that is SPIRIT , ROUH, it simply means EXPRESSION, but it was hidden for the purpose of making it sound mysterious to make some meanings in the quran, or to alter meanings in the Quran
                        search the roots of the words and you will realise

                        another exemple , KOULOU wa CHRABOU , is usually used for food, but these words are used for science

                        College = COLLE GE = the word KOULOU is there in the form of COLLE
                        SCHOOL = S CHOOL = Also the word KOULOU is there , with an S satanic in the 1st letter
                        CHRABOU = ABSORB = AB SORB , the S is replacing the CH , but it is the same structure and letters
                        imagine, the frensh, the masters of deceit
                        you know the university SORBONE ? CHORBON , the same word that is related directly to science

                        BUT Why will they hide these from ARABS ? because, they want to make the CHAHR RAMADAN KOULOU WA CHRABOU , is food related, this simple

                        well, in places, in the quran, koulou wa chrabou is fod related, but many verses, they are science related , because remember , KOLOU is related to KALEM

                        the biggest deceit is the PREFIX in languages, for exemple , SAFARIN of tthe quran is the PREFIX Trans in other languages , but this t had to be altered because of WUDU , to make ghassl and salat becoming a ritual
                        idha kountoum ala safarin, meaning on a transition and not on a trip

                        Please bear with me on this , to explain all what I been talking about , and most people are calling me crazy, and this happened even to messengers in the past , so I , a normal person in search, can't get upset at all for this ,well when I read this

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                        ...an arab and foreigner?... fussilat 44

                        , i realised that messengers were speaking to an english man for exemple, with the language of the quran, while he understood every single word
                        the reason is like I said, the Tongue of the Quran, is the mother of all languages , with proof
                        and arabic language is as stranger to the quran as english and frensh etc...

                        let me give an ewample to prouve it

                        SAMAA = Sky in english , and in Frensh = Ciel
                        Samaa = Sky = Ciel

                        Sa Maa = Waterer
                        Sky = Sikaya also waterer
                        Ciel = Siyel also waterer , all these 3 words, Samaa - Sky - Ciel when pronounced in arabic , they mean the same thing, waterer , and of course u gonne say , but water isn't arab, well , partly true, but in the quran it is called Quitr as in suleiman all three words in one verse, wa assalna lahou ain al QUITER meaning the AIN of WATER
                        , too close

                        Mypoint is, some people thaught i am thse kind who likes to say good things about the arabic language, but it is not the case at all, for I know that modern arabic is created through english and frensh etc... to alter completely the muslims , and make them not understand the quran at all , lost, forvever, with the help of hadith specially, total dellusion

                        there is no english, frensh , arabic, spanish etc... the story of the bible when they say, people were all speaking the same language, than it was separated by the creation of different languages , it is about the Allocution ARAB of the quran, that they created from all languages

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                          double post

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                            He is the First and the Last and the apprent and the hidden... sourah hadid 3
                            The last obviously is written AKHIR and not Khatim

                            Salaam bro,

                            "Aakhar" does not mean "Last" but it means "Next".

                            "Aakhirat" = Next life

                            If you say 'huwal awwalu wal aakhiru' means 'He is the first and the last' then who are in between first and last? It means He is the first and the next.

                            Please look at 174-7, the word used is AlAakhirati in 17712

                            May Allah increase us all in knowledge and guide us all to His true path. pr
                            Mohammed M. Khan

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                              Salaam bro,

                              "Aakhar" does not mean "Last" but it means "Next".

                              "Aakhirat" = Next life

                              If you say 'huwal awwalu wal aakhiru' means 'He is the first and the last' then who are in between first and last? It means He is the first and the next.

                              Please look at 174-7, the word used is AlAakhirati in 17712

                              May Allah increase us all in knowledge and guide us all to His true path. pr
                              Mohammed M. Khan

                              Akhir = Next
                              Akhar = Other
                              Akheer = Last

                              is last isn't Akhir , than how to say Last in arab ???

                              Khatem = Seal or Ring and not last, Khatama aala afwahihim = Sealed their mouths

                              Good talking to u bro

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