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verse 20:20 (hayyatun)

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    sabo
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    Salam MZ,

    Good luck with your migical powers sabo,i was hoping you arabs will use those against the poor americans.Gosh i missed it.

    Is this your standard of argumentation? That is no high standard at all, and I don't seek such kind of discussion. Going to personal insults shows a poor standard and lack of argument

    Salam
    sabo

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      marie
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      peace all,

      We should consider the whole verses about this subject.

      The word "ghanamee" is a key word.

      1. He said ?It is my staff, I lean on it, and I guide my sheep with it, and I have other uses in it.?
        Qala hiya AAasaya atawakkaoAAalayha waahushshu biha AAala ghanamee waliya feeha maaribu okhra

      albaqari waalghanami / the cattle and the sheep (6146)

      See also 2178

      Now, we have the choice between believing that the language in the quran is clear, straightforward or following what is similar "ma tashaabaha minhu"

      The stories of the previous generations belong to the news of the unseen "alghayb", we know them through the quran.

      Does Allah ask us to verify His word / His sign, what we know through His book?

      1. He is the One who sent down to you the Scripture, from which there are firm verses; they are the essence of the Scripture; and others which are similar to each other. As for those who have disease in their hearts, they will follow what is similar from it seeking to confuse, and seeking to derive an interpretation. But none know its interpretation except God and those who are well founded in knowledge say ?We believe in it, all is from our Lord.? And none will remember except the people of understanding.

      May Allah guide us to the straight path

      Marie

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        sabo
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        Salam Marie,

        I didn't understand your post ops can you please explain a little bit more, how do you see that word ghanam (sheep) in relation with the staff?

        thanks

        Best regards,
        sabo

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          marie
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          Salaam Sabo,

          Salam Marie,

          I didn't understand your post ops can you please explain a little bit more, how do you see that word ghanam (sheep) in relation with the staff?

          thanks

          Best regards,
          sabo

          The staff/stick is a work tool for the shepherd (al-rraAAee)

          It coul relieve the physical effort of the old persons.

          Allah knows best

          Marie

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            sabo
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            Salam Marie,

            The staff/stick is a work tool for the shepherd

            Yes and who doubts that?

            According to the arabic, which I know (there is a new arabic circulating arround nowadays) in 2020 the word heya refers to the ha in Alqaaha and as far as i could understand, Moses alqaa his staff, and heya is hayyatun after that.

            Whatever this could mean, God knows best what is behind these words.

            Best regards,
            sabo

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              unknownuser
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              Peace be upon you,

              I am still lost at the end here. Marie, I am still unsure as to the point you were making.

              Sabo
              According to the arabic, which I know (there is a new arabic circulating arround nowadays) in 2020 the word heya refers to the ha in Alqaaha and as far as i could understand, Moses alqaa his staff, and heya is hayyatun after that.

              Can you translate that for me

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                marie
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                Peace Kyle,

                Which verse do you ask? 2020 or 2018 or another verses?

                You can found the translation of 2020 and 2018 respectively in the first post of brother sabo and in my last post in this thread )

                Feel free to ask other questions.

                Marie

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                  unknownuser
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                  Peace be upon you Marie,

                  I was not asking for the translation of a verse, I was asking for translation of the response Sabo gave which was

                  in 2020 the word heya refers to the ha in Alqaaha and as far as i could understand, Moses alqaa his staff, and heya is hayyatun after that.

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                    marie
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                    About 2020

                    Arabic text

                    Faalqaha fa-itha hiya hayyatun tasAAa

                    Word for word

                    Faalqaha So he(Moses ) cast it (ha/fem sing) down

                    fa-itha hiya and she (hiya) became
                    hiya (fem, sing) refers to the stick (AAasaya (fem, sing in 201)

                    hayyatun (fem sing) tasAAa (fem) vibrant/moving(tasAAa) with life (hayyatun)

                    I hope that helps

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                      sabo
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                      thanks Marie, since it is hard for me to translate D

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