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The Search for Muhammad has Ended

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    NOMAD
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    Salam ALL,

    I was going around some old maps in my home, and suddenly i found MAKA region name in what is today Oman.. hmm

    also find this http//www.livius.org/maa-mam/maka/maka.html

    The name Maka for what is now called Oman is very ancient; in the third millennium, the Akkadians already knew a country called Magan, which, they claimed, had been conquered by their king Naram-Sin (2254-2218; ABC 20). Later, it was called Qade by the Babylonians; the Assyrian king A??urbanipal (668-631 BCE) mentions a country Pade with a capital Iski, which must be Izki in Oman. The Persian name Maka is, therefore, an archaism (which is not uncommon in this period). ....continues

    Anything about this fact? if some historian around or even Pazuzu can explain to me this i would apreciatte, im not frm that region so i canot speak... if it was about Gharb Alandaluz i could try to answer because thats my region

    Shukran sun

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      GROAN
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      Brother Pazuzu. I sincerely hope you will have the energy to continue. I believe you?re doing God?s work here and may He reward you greatly and give you the strength to complete your mission of truth! I agree with Mecca as a site of Hajj being ?a complete farce?, however I pray that the perpetrators will be enlightened rather than burning.

      ??Abraham(P) never set foot in what is today called "Mecca", nor did he build a cubic structure of any kind. The word "Kaaba" in the Quran does not mean "cube". What he did was that he settled, with his progeny, in a secluded vale somewhere in the mountains of Asir, not far from the trade routes. This vale ITSELF is the Bayt. The Quran clearly says that people can ENTER the Bayt and be secure. Do you see people entering the Cube today???

      Most interesting!

      The number one candidate for the "Umm al Qura" (Mother of the Towns) is none other than the city of Najran, which lies near the Saudi - Yemeni border. Not only was it at the hub of the trade routes, but it was also the target for many military campaigns by the Assyrians, the Egyptians, and even the Romans, as I will prove to you later on. These Kingdoms and empires understood very well that if they controlled Najran, they controlled the trade routes.
      "The history of Najran can be traced back to 4000 years ago. (which means it existed even before Abraham!) It was once occupied by the Romans; in fact it was the first Yemeni city to fall to the Romans on their way to the Yemeni kingdom of Sheba. Najran's most prosperous trading time was during the 1st and 2nd centuries BC. In ancient times it was known as Al-Ukhdood (the Trench)".

      What you write makes complete sense to me and has that unmistakable ring of truth. Please do continue!
      wow yes

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        IMHO
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        Head-Point wise summmary of the disjointed and scattered thoughts spread over 12 pages would be useful.

        Salaam brother
        Pazuzu has been clearly replying and writing at the same time, and he has not hidden the fact that he is using a lot of material and has compacted it in a concise form for all our benefit, yet instead of appreciating his efforts you expect him to now put bullet points for you!! This reminds me of the children of Israel when they were asked to sacrifice a heifer; tell us the exaxt colour of the cow etc.
        Since you say on your website to point out your mistakes show right way so, if I was you brother Mazhar I would take off the picture of the so called Prophet's Mosque in Medina and of course "the cu be" from http//haqeeqat.org.pk and for the love of prophet give real account.
        Alllah has not made the Saudies custodians of the Bayt al Haram nope

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          Mazhar
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          Had Pazuzu not himself gone in bewilderment by this wide travels he would certainly be able to give synopsis of what has he said and what conclusions has he arrived on each point. Thereat I will tell you that except nonsense he has talked nothing.

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            noble
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            Mazhar, you seem to me to be very easy on criticism, and very shy on research and hard work...

            Do you feel satisfied to become a Saudi worshiper and a Mohammedan (submitting to the cult of the hadiths' unproven Mohammed story)

            instead of being a true Muslim as strictly defined by the Holy Quran? and derive your faith from The Quran as Allah enjoins you?

            How about you help Bro pazuzu and produce what you ask of him, the material is all there, and the hard work is done, you just need to classify it... at least then you will be in a better position to contribute and criticise...

            or do you just like to shoot from the hip, any bearer of news that do not fit into what your parents and mullahs have taught you?

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              NOMAD
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              Mazhar, you seem to me to be very easy on criticism, and very shy on research and hard work...

              Do you feel satisfied to become a Saudi worshiper and a Mohammedan (submitting to the cult of the hadiths' unproven Mohammed story)

              instead of being a true Muslim as strictly defined by the Holy Quran? and derive your faith from The Quran as Allah enjoins you?

              How about you help Bro pazuzu and produce what you ask of him, the material is all there, and the hard work is done, you just need to classify it... at least then you will be in a better position to contribute an criticise...

              or do you just like to shoot from the hip, any bearer of news that do not fit into what your parents and mullahs have taught you?

              Excelent view.. bravo bravo bravo

              Mazhar, sorry youre not being a respected Muslim in fact nopepeace

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                Mazhar
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                Mazhar, you seem to me to be very easy on criticism, and very shy on research and hard work...

                Do you feel satisfied to become a Saudi worshiper and a Mohammedan (submitting to the cult of the hadiths' unproven Mohammed story)

                instead of being a true Muslim as strictly defined by the Holy Quran? and derive your faith from The Quran as Allah enjoins you?

                How about you help Bro pazuzu and produce what you ask of him, the material is all there, and the hard work is done, you just need to classify it... at least then you will be in a better position to contribute and criticise...

                or do you just like to shoot from the hip, any bearer of news that do not fit into what your parents and mullahs have taught you?

                I know that people who do not have substance in their minds eventually have a very loud mouth.

                If you think that pazuzu has put some material worth consideration and that you have become enlightened and a scholar, okay, you pin down what has he said and his conclusions reached. Otherwise keep your mouth shut.

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                  Samia
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                  (Hence the word "Isra'a", which is derived from the root "srr", which means secret).

                  Salaam Pazuzu

                  This s completely wrong. "israa'" has a different root from "srr" and thus a different meaning.
                  You already wrote "srr" with two r's. Israa' has only one "r"

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                  The root for "israa'" is "sra" walk at night

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                  The first verse of chapter 17 most probably concerns Musa not Muhammad. From verse 2 to verse 8 mentions Musa and tells part of his story with the Children of Israel in this context.

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                    Mr_Q
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                    Salam,

                    Maybe everyone should go read 16125 and 1753.

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                      Mazhar
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                      The first verse of chapter 17 most probably concerns Musa not Muhammad. From verse 2 to verse 8 mentions Musa and tells part of his story with the Children of Israel in this context.

                      Does an object of a preceding verb relate to an other object of subsequent different verb?

                      Can a pronoun be used for a named person before he is named in the text?

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                        Samia
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                        Does an object of a preceding verb relate to an other object of subsequent different verb?

                        Can a pronoun be used for a named person before he is named in the text?

                        Where is this "preceding" pronoun?
                        He is referred to in verse 1 as "abdihi, aka subject of God".
                        The only pronoun in verse 1 refers to God Himself.

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                          Mazhar
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                          Where is this "preceding" pronoun?
                          He is referred to in verse 1 as "abdihi, aka subject of God".
                          The only pronoun in verse 1 refers to God Himself.

                          That "abd" was shown something and here is pronoun for him

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                            Samia
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                            That "abd" was shown something and here is pronoun for him

                            So you know that the second pronoun refers to "abd"?
                            What's the problem then?
                            When I said the only pronoun, I meant a pronoun that does no refer to a specific person as I understood from your post.

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                              Layth
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                              Salam,

                              I have put together a chronology of events from the Quran regarding the Children of Israel to establish both time-line and location of events.

                              http//free-minds.org/kingdom-israel

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                                Mazhar
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                                So you know that the second pronoun refers to "abd"?
                                What's the problem then?
                                When I said the only pronoun, I meant a pronoun that does no refer to a specific person as I understood from your post.

                                Thereby, you agree that this pronoun does not relate to Musa alahissalam.

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                                  noble
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                                  Mazhar, nowadays anyone can claim to be a scholar after parrotting a couple of ayats from the Quran...

                                  Do you claim to be a scholar Mazhar?

                                  and who authorises you to tell me to shut up?

                                  what you are doing is just pelting your frustration at people who say that which you do not agree with... and shower ad hominem on them...

                                  in that context, you are far from earning respect or worth listening to...

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                                    Noon_dhe_plume
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                                    Peace,

                                    Since this is all about Yemeni history, perhaps explain this and who was in charge back then?

                                    http//www.mnh.si.edu/epigraphy/e_pre-islamic/fig04_sabaean_img.htm

                                    http//www.mnh.si.edu/epigraphy/figs-stones/large/color_lg_jpeg/fig04_c_lg.jpg

                                    (i)
                                    Transliteration
                                    b kh ya l / r h m n n / w m s ya h ha /
                                    m l k n / a b r ha / z ya b m n / m l k / s b a / w z r ya d n / w h dh r m d t
                                    Transcription
                                    B'khail / ar-rahman / wmaseeha /
                                    malikan / Abraha / Zaybm / malik /
                                    sab'a / w zarydan / w hadarmaut
                                    Translation
                                    With the power (help) of god, and the Jesus (=Christian) King Abraha Zeebman (King's title), the King of Saba'a, Zuridan and Hadrmaut.

                                    (ii)
                                    w ya m n t / w r a a'in r b ha m r / ta w d m /
                                    w t ha m t / s ta r w / z n / s ta r n / k gh z ya w
                                    w yement / wa r'a rab hamw / Twadam / w thamat / satro / zn / satran / K'ghazow
                                    and Yemen and the tribes (on)
                                    the mountains and the coast wrote these lines on his battle

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                                      IMHO
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                                      I know that people who do not have substance in their minds eventually have a very loud mouth.

                                      If you think that pazuzu has put some material worth consideration and that you have become enlightened and a scholar, okay, you pin down what has he said and his conclusions reached. Otherwise keep your mouth shut.

                                      Mazhar
                                      & of loud mouth? In Saudi style you order people to shut their mouth but remember the truth will spread futher than this fourm insha'Allah sun

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                                        Mazhar
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                                        Mazhar
                                        & of loud mouth? In Saudi style you order people to shut their mouth but remember the truth will spread futher than this fourm insha'Allah sun

                                        Haphazardly!!!

                                        I am aware of your article and I am sorry to say it did not convice me as much as Pazuzu did, even if he did put his findings "haphazardly". OMHO

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                                          IMHO
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                                          Haphazardly!!!

                                          Yes!!!! Even if haphazadly the truth will shine forth sun
                                          Byeeee

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