Oceans, seas, rivers, springs, fountains
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Yes, that is what I wanted to point out that lakes are not included in the meaning of Al-Bahr. What will be the problem/contradiction if we translate Al-Bahr as ocean instead of large body of water?
Peace mmkhan,
Oceans or seven seas sounds nice in English prose ...
3127 and had that only in the earth from tree pens wal-br and the large body of water/ocean/sea add to it from after it seven abr oceans/seas (alif plural) not exhausted words The God indeed The God Dear Wise
Although ocean/sea refers to salt water only whereas Qur'an calls the two fresh and salty the same.
2553 and He The One Who released al-bryn the two large bodies of water this one palatable sweet and this one salty bitter and made between them a barrier and a partition interdicted
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Not sure extent of the expedition/excursion although junction between them (i.e. two large bodies of water) could be something similar this place...
If is not taken as assembly, in Urdu language sense, of two things at one point rather its correct meanings of becoming integral one unit, these pictures would become irrelevant to the fact stated.
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If is not taken as assembly, in Urdu language sense, of two things at one point rather its correct meanings of becoming integral one unit, these pictures would become irrelevant to the fact stated.
How so? We're only talking about scale so technically no difference other size of the two waters.
Edit I see what you mean, two merging into one and not a connection of the two.
I'll have to investigate this further.
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Salaam,
your translation will be as dubious as all the existing translations unless you give clear and full references to the source of each definition you apply to the Arabic text, the source must be clear and as early as possible to be the original definition that the text was written to convey, the rules of grammar must be examined to establish that the rules applied to modern Arabic are indeed relevant to the ancient Arabic of the time it was written. The most important aspect of a definitive translation is in the clear and easily referenced definitions, free of hadith, as the majority of translations are based upon hadith for definition, and we all know hadith is designed for corruptions.
The second point I'd think relevant is in attempting to use a word to describe a concept, this generates confusion; unless you are limited by space, which you are not, then present the concept of the Arabic term, as that was the original intent, even if that means writing 50 words in English, as you are conveying the understanding not a list of headings.
Anyway just my thoughts, I have expressed these same thoughts to Badar in his attempt to translate the Qur'an.
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Oceans or seven seas sounds nice in English prose ...
3127 and had that only in the earth from tree pens wal-br and the large body of water/ocean/sea add to it from after it seven abr oceans/seas (alif plural) not exhausted words The God indeed The God Dear Wise
Salaam brother Noon,
Thank you for making me aware of this beautiful aayat still I did not see any problem in using the word "oceans" just to make it clear that it does not include lakes...
Although ocean/sea refers to salt water only whereas Qur'an calls the two fresh and salty the same.
2553 and He The One Who released al-bryn the two large bodies of water this one palatable sweet and this one salty bitter and made between them a barrier and a partition interdicted
Recently I saw this aayat and wondering if there is two fresh and salt water in oceans. As I heard earlier that there is a part in ocean near Oman that has only sweat water in that large area into the ocean. Can someone please confirm this as I am not really sure about this.
May Allah guide us all to His true path and increase us in knowledge pr
Mohammed M. Khan -
Salaam brother Noon,
Thank you for making me aware of this beautiful aayat still I did not see any problem in using the word "oceans" just to make it clear that it does not include lakes...
Recently I saw this aayat and wondering if there is two fresh and salt water in oceans. As I heard earlier that there is a part in ocean near Oman that has only sweat water in that large area into the ocean. Can someone please confirm this as I am not really sure about this.
May Allah guide us all to His true path and increase us in knowledge pr
Mohammed M. KhanPeace mmkhan -- Google estuary where most of life on earth lives.
Also curious why below verse is written using "alif" and not with ya like the rest?
3512 and not be equal al-brn the two waters this one palatable sweet pleasant drink and this one salty bitter and from each you eat meat tender and you extract ornaments you wear it and you see the ship in it glide that you may seek from His bounty and that you may give thanks
1860 and when said Moses to his boy/youth not I stop until I reach junction al-bryn the two waters or I go a long while
2553 and He The One Who released al-bryn the two waters this one palatable sweet and this one salty bitter and made between them a barrier and a partition interdicted
2761 or who made the earth a settlement and made within it rivers and made to it firm mountains and made between al-bryn the two waters a barrier is there any deity with The God nay most of them not who know
5519 released al-bryn the two waters meeting
5520 between them a barrier not they transgress -
My understanding is that
- ba7r is not a cut term for sea or ocean. It could also mean a big river.
Nahr is not just river. It could mean stream, as the expression gradens run from beneath them streams.
So it is a question of size, not technical terms.
4715 If nhr is any river, why mention putrid waters?
Most probably speaks of a river empties itself in a sea/ ocean. Both are referred to as bhr. Another definition of a big river is where you fish and big boats can sail (steamers, e.g).
- yamm the body of these large rivers or seas, excluding shores and coasts
- ba7r is not a cut term for sea or ocean. It could also mean a big river.
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Salaam Samia -- it's been a while since the good ole days of inheritance verses and happy to see you back.
BTW, finally believe we figured those out, lol three years on three verses...
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598748.msg287405#msg287405
I hope these don't take as long.
Peace
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Salaam Samia -- it's been a while since the good ole days of inheritance verses and happy to see you back.
BTW, finally believe we figured those out, lol three years on three verses...
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598748.msg287405#msg287405
I hope these don't take as long.
Peace
Salaam Ndp
Thanks for the welcome. I am happy I am back again to the endless discussions, just like the good old days
I left a post on the link you provided....and I am afraid it is not yet over >