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What you are saying is something completely different than what I was trying to say to you. I said that you shouldn't ask too many questions when God commandments are simple. I did not say anything about rejecting guidance from God. Only a fool will reject guidance from his Creator! God is my Lord and your Lord. If God sends you guidance and a way to follow would you in your arrogance reject what he has given you????? Only the unappreciative of God's creation would do such. I am appreciative of everything that God has given me. So if I see a book with clear signs that it is from God why should I reject it??? Only are fool who lacks knowledge and is arrogant would reject God's book and law when clearly the signs in the Book are from God.
I will like to ask you two questions which I hope you will be able to give me an honest answer. In your view what is the purpose of life??? Why are we here??? And please don't tell me it's to have fun, make children and have family and friends, cars, large houses and swimming pools. If these things were the purpose of life then why are tens of thousands of people denied this luxury? In your view we really don't have a purpose. Everything with God is que sera sera. He just created us and dump us here just for the sake of amusement. Is this the God you believe and serve??? A God who will not give his subjects any sort of guidance and place them in a world with suffering , heartache and pain for no reason!!! To you is your god and to me is Mine. I believe we have a purpose. And because we have purpose God will guide us.
Peace,
Kevin
My honorable Kevin,
Eventually, my quest for the truth has ended when you posted me below question. This is a miracle to me.
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Did God create Robots or did he make people with minds and COMMON SENSE to judge rightly what is wrong and what is right?At first I didn't notice but when I realized that you had made major changes to its original text, then I knew this is it. GOD's sign and guidance which being revealed through you to me. I've been asking almost the same question to myself and the right answer is God created and bestowed human with minds and common sense as a tool for human to judge rightly what is wrong and what is right. I've accepted your 'advice', you said, "If God sends you guidance and a way to follow would you in your arrogance reject what he has given you?". I've set my mind and will follow this latest guidance from GOD. Thanks a lot.
The guide reached to me in a very strange way. It is just like a parcel being transported from one place to another. Only the sender and recipient knew what is the content but the delivery boy who make all effort to ensure the parcel reach safely to its destination doesn't benefit anything from the content of the parcel. To the delivery boy it is just a parcel and carry on with his routine. Out of his office with load and return empty handed. This 'sender-delivery boy-recipient' story is the GOD's sign I'm talking about.
However, I still want to hang around in this site in case there are more signs and guidances from GOD to improve myself.
Back to your questions;
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I will like to ask you two questions which I hope you will be able to give me an honest answer. In your view what is the purpose of life??? Why are we here???Like I mentioned before, I never asked to be born into this world and it is GOD who sent me. I'm not really sure why or for what purpose but, like it or not, I have to accept it. My life is not really 'fun' as I'm only an average person working hard to live life. Thanks GOD for HIS protection and blessing my life is not really that bad either, just nice. However, with the minds and common sense that GOD entrusted to me, I know I need to as much as possible do good things and make every GOD's creations feel safe, secure, happy, good and comfortable at my presence and keep having the same feelings at my absence as well.
With the same tools, I need to use them to the fullest to enjoy all the good things GOD had provided to mankind and as protection from any harm or trouble caused by excessive usage of or over-enjoyed (wastage) the same good things.
Simple example to make sure no manipulation to be made to this statement Enjoying good and tasty ice-cream is a way to appreciate GOD's gift but excessive consumption will lead to diabetes and wastage and I need to make sure I don't over consumed or addicted to it.I also believe there no such things as GOD's preordain in term of the way I live life and what I have been, am going and will go through. From the time I'm able to think wisely what is right and what is wrong, it is me to determined what I'm going to be. HE entrusted this exclusive authority to me so that I'll not blame HIM for any misery I've been through. I'm to be held accountable for anything I did and what other peoples did if the things they did came from my instructions or teachings or examples or consultations or advice. If I mistakenly misled anybody, my common sense told me to ensure to do everything I can within my capability to correct the situation. That is what we call integrity and responsibility.
Another example to make sure this statement to be clearly understood and not being manipulated If my teenage child did wrong things because I failed to teach him or her, then both of us will be held accountable. But if she or he did the wrong things after I had taught her in advance what is right and what is wrong, then it is only him or her to be held accountable.You asked
Is this the God you believe and serve?The GOD I believed in doesn't simply dumped me into this world as he equipped me with common sense to make judgments and brain to think. As far as I know, my presence - after I made a paradigm shift few years ago - gave positive impact to my family, relatives, society, community, friends and other GOD creations. What going to happened to me after I die is not my concern anymore and leave it to GOD to decide.
I've stop dreaming about paradise and its' beautiful maidens quite sometime ago but still have hope and praying hard so that GOD will at least let me rest in peace and keeps protecting my family and generations after I took my last breath. Furthermore, my GOD doesn't need to be serve or worship or praise because HE has everything. To me, only the needy will make such requests as he or she want to feel great. With or without me to serve or worship or praise HIM will not going to have any impact to HIM nor HIS KINGDOM. Our relationship is HE is my GOD and I'm HIS creation. HE don't need slaves, servants, children, lovers or whatsoever. HE don't need the so-called 'satan', if there is any, to make mankind's drama more exciting and interesting. I don't believe this 'satan' is the one that cause all the problem in this world. I don't believe GOD created and unleashed this imaginary creature which being 'believed' by the Jewish, Christian and Muslim. GOD is THE PROTECTOR. Whatever wrong deeds human do is from human and nothing to do with this so-called 'satan'.
I hope the above explanations suffice in responding to your questions. Feel free to comment if you have any concern or doubt but please don't ask me what book I referred to as I don't have any. These are straight from my heart and mind base on my knowledge, experiences, observations and common sense.
To honorable Bigmo, Kevin, Noon dhe plume, WhereIsTheTruth, Groan, kgwithnob, huruf, Layth, yuossef4342, Kaiokenred, Student of Allah, mmkhan, Mr.Q, Jafar, Someone, IMHO, IAMOP, Stumpy, those name I missed out and those who had read my comments but didn't participate in the debate with me.
Please accept my sincere apology as I had offended many of you, intentionally or unintentionally, but it is something that I have to do to cease the 'war' between rationalism and fanaticism inside me.
I wish to express my gratitude to each and everyone of you for helping me to get out from a very deep state of confusion. Only GOD knows how it feel to be in this state.
I hope GOD will always be with all of you in your quest for the truth.
Last but not least, I would like to advice each and everyone here to be honest to knowledge and yourself. Other than GOD, you can lie or fool anybody but not yourself.
May GOD bless you and your family.
Salamun alaikum,
AzmanReferences
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http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603158.0
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I will like to ask you two questions which I hope you will be able to give me an honest answer. In your view what is the purpose of life??? Why are we here???Like I mentioned before, I never asked to be born into this world and it is GOD who sent me. I'm not really sure why or for what purpose but, like it or not, I have to accept it.
Allah, the Exalted has told this why He created
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And I did not create the groups of Jinn and Human beings except for the purpose that they should, by will and affection, submit to subservience/allegiance to Me .This signifies that one should surrender his personal will and capability of action that has been granted to him by his Sustainer Lord, to subject it according to that which He dictates.
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Salam,
You should also know that the "religion" you seem to be following is one of your own design and choosing. You have made your opinions of what is "right" or "wrong" for you and what is or isnt required of you to get into Heaven your only guide. God condemns this line of thinking and acting, my friend. He did not give us our minds to make up our own rules for redemption but to be able to choose wisely between following the Truth or following falsehood, conjecture and guesswork. Our intellect is meant to find Him, not seek ways around His Commandments.
It is He Alone who determines what is right and wrong and what is required of us to enter Heaven. It is only up to us to choose to follow what He says, exactly, or suffer the consequences.
For example, Adam and Eve were given one single commandment to obey and were warned not to follow the Devil. The Devil didn't ask them to commit murder, just to disobey God and thereby following him instead. Adam and Eve failed to obey God and uphold His Commandment and were banished from Heaven for it. The Devil was banished for disobeying God too. For us to walk around on earth and to "think" and rationalize ways of disobeying God's clear Commandments is not going to be awarded with entrance back into Heaven. Its what keeps us out of it.
Peace and may God guide us all.
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Salam,
You should also know that the "religion" you seem to be following is one of your own design and choosing. You have made your opinions of what is "right" or "wrong" for you and what is or isnt required of you to get into Heaven your only guide. God condemns this line of thinking and acting, my friend. He did not give us our minds to make up our own rules for redemption but to be able to choose wisely between following the Truth or following falsehood, conjecture and guesswork. Our intellect is meant to find Him, not seek ways around His Commandments.
It is He Alone who determines what is right and wrong and what is required of us to enter Heaven. It is only up to us to choose to follow what He says, exactly, or suffer the consequences.
For example, Adam and Eve were given one single commandment to obey and were warned not to follow the Devil. The Devil didn't ask them to commit murder, just to disobey God and thereby following him instead. Adam and Eve failed to obey God and uphold His Commandment and were banished from Heaven for it. The Devil was banished for disobeying God too. For us to walk around on earth and to "think" and rationalize ways of disobeying God's clear Commandments is not going to be awarded with entrance back into Heaven. Its what keeps us out of it.
Peace and may God guide us all.
Since you are absolutely sure what is right and wrong and what is required of us to enter Heaven, can you please pen down your thoughts here? I can use it to compare with information I have received from others. This can be a good discussion.
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Allah, the Exalted has told this why He created
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And I did not create the groups of Jinn and Human beings except for the purpose that they should, by will and affection, submit to subservience/allegiance to Me .This signifies that one should surrender his personal will and capability of action that has been granted to him by his Sustainer Lord, to subject it according to that which He dictates.
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I feel honored to have you - awarded with the Wise One status - spending your precious time reading and commenting my humble thoughts.
Given below scenario, please share with us your thoughts and judgments on which entity(ies) is(are) right and is(are) wrong.
God in Quran (Allah)
Allah created and unleashed so-called Satan (Satan) for the purpose to influence and make human sway from Allah's path of truth and justice (Allah's path),
Allah grants His sovereignty whom He chooses and hitherto, He had chosen the American to be in control of the modern civilization in this world.Satan
With Allah's will, Satan successfully made America president and Saddam Hussain swayed from Allah's path.America president (Mr. President)
Mr. President ordered CIA to train and unleash tyrant Saddam Hussain and his follower (Saddam) to be in control of Iraq government in pursuit to secure American's interests in Middle EastSaddam
Saddam did what he being told by Mr. President, killed and murdered many innocent peoples and destroyed their lives.Innocent peoples
Some have their life spared and some dies. Those who alive suffered and some can't think straight and turn into evil (evil peoples) under Satan's influence.Evil peoples
Make other innocent peoples suffered and together with Satan on their side, more evil peoples produced. This cycle continue and condition worsen in Iraq.This is a true scenario and is it preordained by Allah? Who suppose to be blamed on this?
Also, appreciate if you can share with us what is your stand on Palestinian's fight for their right on their lands against Israel's invasions? From your point of view, are they have all the rights to launch the fight thus entitled for Jihad and martyr or they don't have the right? Are the Palestinians who believed in Allah, Prophets, Books, Angels and Judgement Day to be considered as your Muslim brothers although they don't believe in Quran Alone concept? If yes, should all the Quran believers join the Palestinian's fight or at least support them?
The reason I'm asking these is to understand your life's principles.
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Since you are absolutely sure what is right and wrong and what is required of us to enter Heaven, can you please pen down your thoughts here? I can use it to compare with information I have received from others. This can be a good discussion.
Quran 11 to 1146
The Quran is complete and fully detailed. Study it carefully and it will be obvious to you. God describes the people who make it to Heaven by what they do and think and He describes the people who go to Hell by what they do and think. Its all over the Quran and all we have to do is follow the guidence.
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God in Quran (Allah)
Allah created and unleashed so-called Satan (Satan) for the purpose to influence and make human sway from Allah's path of truth and justice (Allah's path),He/Iblees said, "My Sustainer Lord, because You have ruined me certainly I will make for them fascination in the Earth and of course I will certainly distract and thereby ruin them all collectively except Your servants/allegiants from amongst them who become exclusively sincere"
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Allah grants His sovereignty whom He chooses and hitherto, He had chosen the American to be in control of the modern civilization in this world.
May be 1886-87 enlighten on this issue. It is one's own choice how he rules when attained power and control. No need to be jealous of America. They worked hard to get this status, they deserved it. And they will loose this status, sooner or later, only by their over doings.
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Quran 11 to 1146
The Quran is complete and fully detailed. Study it carefully and it will be obvious to you. God describes the people who make it to Heaven by what they do and think and He describes the people who go to Hell by what they do and think. Its all over the Quran and all we have to do is follow the guidence.
Appreciate if you can give detail explanation for verse 474 especially the meaning of 'Therefore, if you encounter those who have rejected, then strike the necks'.
474 Therefore, if you encounter those who have rejected, then strike the necks; until you bind them, then secure the cords. You may then either set them free or ransom them, until the war ends. That, and if God had willed, He alone could have beaten them, but He thus tests you by one another. As for those who get killed in the cause of God, He will never let their deeds be put to waste.
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Appreciate if you can give detail explanation for verse 474 especially the meaning of 'Therefore, if you encounter those who have rejected, then strike the necks'.
474 Therefore, if you encounter those who have rejected, then strike the necks; until you bind them, then secure the cords. You may then either set them free or ransom them, until the war ends. That, and if God had willed, He alone could have beaten them, but He thus tests you by one another. As for those who get killed in the cause of God, He will never let their deeds be put to waste.
Salam,
I fail to see the question here. The rules of war are clear. If you are being attacked and killed for your belief in God, as the prophet and the believers were, then God gave them permission to fight back. The rules for war and the rules for peace are clear and simple to understand.My question to you is if you believe in God, why don't you follow His Guidance that He revealed?
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Appreciate if you can give detail explanation for verse 474 especially the meaning of 'Therefore, if you encounter those who have rejected, then strike the necks'.
474 Therefore, if you encounter those who have rejected, then strike the necks; until you bind them, then secure the cords. You may then either set them free or ransom them, until the war ends. That, and if God had willed, He alone could have beaten them, but He thus tests you by one another. As for those who get killed in the cause of God, He will never let their deeds be put to waste.There are certain group of people who just cannot be reasoned and quickly resorted to violence.
They create disorders and love to oppress other people..
For those group of people it's allowable to wage war against them until order are being restored and oppressions are no more..Few weeks ago I've met some fellows from the Ahmadis.. although I disagree with their view/belief... but I told them if the sunnis/salafis majority burn your houses, torture and murder your relatives and perform injustice over you.. (such as commonly found especially in Pakistan) and the government does nothing to protect you.. then FIGHT THEM BACK! Take arms! Stand up! and defend your rights! Until they stop their injustice over you... If you can't do that.. then it's better to migrate away to other safe places and expose to the world regarding their brutality over you..
Salam / Peace
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Appreciate if you can give detail explanation for verse 474 especially the meaning of 'Therefore, if you encounter those who have rejected, then strike the necks'.
474 Therefore, if you encounter those who have rejected, then strike the necks; until you bind them, then secure the cords. You may then either set them free or ransom them, until the war ends. That, and if God had willed, He alone could have beaten them, but He thus tests you by one another. As for those who get killed in the cause of God, He will never let their deeds be put to waste.
Peace peace
This verse has to also conform with other verses of the Quran.Fight in the cause of God against those who attack you, but do not aggress. God does not love the aggressors(2190)
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Shalom,
I don't recall any misconduct towards me from your part when we addressed the same topic.
The problem I face, when I look at your questions is a bit strange. The questions would have made sense halfway through the revelation of Qur'an. Thus Allah detailing his ayaats for the patient ones. But now that the revelation is complete (it's a long time now). I give no one ANY EXCUSE of isolating something from the ENTIRE SCRIPTURE and asking questions based on that. It is intellectually dishonest for any student of knowledge to do so.
About chronology, go figure out which way its more likely to be stated
- X and Y throws a party and gets married happily. X kills Y.
or - X kills Y. X and Y throws a party and gets married happily.
You do not set free someone and set conditions of captivity. You set conditions of captivity and then free. Once you set someone free, by definition they are not captive.
I am not here to debate. Sorry if I made it looks so. However, if I give a speech to an audience, I would love very much to see them make sense of the overall by correlating relevant parts of the speech. Not by isolating them.
PEACE be on you, May God guide you to success.
------------------------- Student of Allah
- X and Y throws a party and gets married happily. X kills Y.
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When you are at the other side of the court it takes a lot of thinking before you can penned down your thoughts to minimize offensive statements. Hope I managed to achieve it in this writing and make this post a better ?place? for exchanging thoughts and opinions.
During my kid?s days I?m lucky to experience both village and city?s life. Experienced both animism and secular way of life which later transformed to Sunni?s way of life. City?s life is almost the same with other cities in the world whereby money is everything. People are busy with their life and religion?s teachings not really effective to mold them. Village life is the one that changed a lot. Although we are Muslims community, the animism practices still there and mainly because the peoples knowledge in science, technology and Islam still very low or almost none in early 70?s. Believe in demigods or spirits or ?djins? or ?keepers? still strong and influenced village life significantly. They tried not to make these creatures angry so that they will not harm the villagers. It is not as bad as the case of the Arab during pre-Islamic period. They do believe in Allah and prayed to Him to provide rain during the drought season and stop it when flood came but Allah was not alone in His kingdom.
The community consists of a leader which supported by a group of imam(s), the wise ones and the elders, commoners and the most sought after entity during disaster and illness, the shamans. There are two types of shaman, orthodox who recited mantras in our mother tongue and the ?Quranist? type who recited mantras in Arabic.
However, it is the imams, wise ones and elders that ensured the laws and orders of the community in place, including taboos. Peoples lived their life according to the ways molded by this group of peoples. Their thoughts really matters and seems to be carved onto stones. It is important for each individual in the community to align his or her way of life set by them to void punishment and the worst one was being out casted by the community. We need each other help during padi?s planting and harvesting seasons, marriage ceremonies, funeral etc.
Things changed now. With the advancement of science and technology the service of the shamans no longer required by many and the fellowship of the community leader, imams, wise ones and elders broke as people becoming more educated. People do sought advice from these peoples but there will always be a room for second opinion and most importantly room for logic, reasoning, common sense and rationalism. Nowadays, there is no such thing as everything was fixed or ?carved onto stones? for someone to live life. Out casted is not a big issue as individuals able to carry on with their life with or without others support. Almost everything has a price nowadays even for an imam.
The point I?m trying to make here is that, the wind or wave of common sense, logic, reasoning and rationalism has and is slowly eroding the ways of life which earlier thought to be carved on stone, fixed and no change. Quran also not being spared from this wave as we can observe right over here in this site, Quranists are trying to ?clean-up? Quran?s verses to suit their thoughts and principles. Issues like polygamy, ?right hand possessed?, slavery etc. being viewed in different perspective as the original Arabic words seems not fitting the readers? mind. There are cases whereby Arabic words being left out after being translated to other language. It is not just the Quranists that doing this, the modern thinkers of the others sects also doing the same as they realized some of the verses in the Quran needs to be re-translated and re-interpreted to suit modern civilization and thinking. It is a slow process and it is the Quranists who championed this as they have a good and effective tool, the internet and best of all, they are not limited by the hadiths and sunnahs of the prophet. We are yet to witness the big wave when the Quranists ready to emerge from their virtual world into the real world to materialize their version of Quran?s ways of life. Are Quranists ready?
Follow-up on the verse 474 discussion, actually I?ve read few translations in English and my own language, Quranist?s version, which giving more extreme understanding and out of humanity value. Example as below
Sahih International So when you meet those who disbelieve , strike necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them, then secure their bonds, and either favor afterwards or ransom until the war lays down its burdens. That . And if Allah had willed, He could have taken vengeance upon them , but to test some of you by means of others. And those who are killed in the cause of Allah - never will He waste their deeds.
I don?t know Arabic but these translators surely have some base to translate the Arabic words or sentences of verse 474 into this manner. Maybe they try to be honest to knowledge or maybe they don?t really understand the whole context of Quran.
Dear Jaafar,
Actually Quran has solution for the Sunni/Salafis vs Ahmadis?s issue and for all the conflicts in the Muslim's world but none of the Muslims believe in Quran. Here is the solution from Quran.
499 And if two parties of believers battle with each other, you shall reconcile them; but if one of them aggresses against the other, then you shall fight the one aggressing until it complies with the command of God. Once it complies, then you shall reconcile the two groups with justice, and be equitable; for God loves those who are equitable.
Where are you Quranists? Isn?t this is your responsibility? Why are you hiding in this virtual world? Go out and uphold your God?s words.
Dear Mr.Q, youssef4342 and Student of Allah,
I?ve read your reply to me and please find my reply in this writing. Please be informed that I was not going to put Quran in acid test anymore but more to understand how Quranists going to prove their version of Quran is the one that going to make this world a better place to live.
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DEAR AZ2
The point I?m trying to make here is that, the wind or wave of common sense, logic, reasoning and rationalism has and is slowly eroding the ways of life which earlier thought to be carved on stone, fixed and no change. Quran also not being spared from this wave as we can observe right over here in this site, Quranists are trying to ?clean-up? Quran?s verses to suit their thoughts and principles. Issues like polygamy, ?right hand possessed?, slavery etc. being viewed in different perspective as the original Arabic words seems not fitting the readers? mind. There are cases whereby Arabic words being left out after being translated to other language. It is not just the Quranists that doing this, the modern thinkers of the others sects also doing the same as they realized some of the verses in the Quran needs to be re-translated and re-interpreted to suit modern civilization and thinking. It
Your point is baseless and meaningsless. Quranists are NOT trying to clean anything up, we are only trying to understand quran in the light of the original unaltered arabic words.
You know what your problem is? That you insist that sunni-version is the right islam. How many times haven't people told you that we are not sunnites? Your examples of polygamy, right hands possessed (whatever that means) slavery etc. are viewed differently only because we dont have any ahadith to support these craps.
The quran does not need to be re-translated or re-interpreted, it only needs to be understood without ahadith and in its orginal meaning and than it would fit every timeage and every century.
Again and again you try to blackmail people in this forum by sunnism, you somehow wants us to feel sorry for what the sunniites did or do, and you somehow wants us to excuse and defend their actions or their understanding of the quran. Why should we do that when we have nothing to do with them??? Now shall I also blame you for what secular Stalin did?
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I agree with what whereisthetruth says.
AZ2 still seems to give credit to traditional, translations or (mis)understandings of the truthful Qur'an and taking for granted that any new way of looking at the Qur'an taking it as the sole source of understanding of itself is some twisting of Arabic. It often happens also that many peole comlain because "traitionalists" understand Qur'an "litterally", but that is precisely what traditionalists do not do. They do not take the Qur'an litterally. They take it to fit their "traditional", understanding.
It is when I started leaving asie traditonal understandings of the Qur'an in ayas where there was conflict and looking only exclusively at the Qur'an (and that is very difficult to do, not to be conditonned) that right and clear and simple things came to light literally.
Please stop gving to "traditionalists" the benefi of the doubt of literalism, they are not litteral. But of course their translations, for somebody who cannot look at the Arabic, will be literal, of course then they are not bound anymore by the unchanging word of Qur'an.
You AZ2 shoudl look at many threads where many questions are being dealt with and see where litteralism rules. And take your time. knots that have been tied many centuries, are not easily undone. But those who revere God's word should have the patience to do just that and that cannot be done in a hurry.
But, for God's sake do not take things for granted just because many peoole say them, or because the same people do not tire repeating them.
But if you do, it is your loss, not snybody else's.
Salaam
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I agree with what whereisthetruth says.
AZ2 still seems to give credit to traditional, translations or (mis)understandings of the truthful Qur'an and taking for granted that any new way of looking at the Qur'an taking it as the sole source of understanding of itself is some twisting of Arabic. It often happens also that many peole comlain because "traitionalists" understand Qur'an "litterally", but that is precisely what traditionalists do not do. They do not take the Qur'an litterally. They take it to fit their "traditional", understanding.
It is when I started leaving asie traditonal understandings of the Qur'an in ayas where there was conflict and looking only exclusively at the Qur'an (and that is very difficult to do, not to be conditonned) that right and clear and simple things came to light literally.
Please stop gving to "traditionalists" the benefi of the doubt of literalism, they are not litteral. But of course their translations, for somebody who cannot look at the Arabic, will be literal, of course then they are not bound anymore by the unchanging word of Qur'an.
You AZ2 shoudl look at many threads where many questions are being dealt with and see where litteralism rules. And take your time. knots that have been tied many centuries, are not easily undone. But those who revere God's word should have the patience to do just that and that cannot be done in a hurry.
But, for God's sake do not take things for granted just because many peoole say them, or because the same people do not tire repeating them.
But if you do, it is your loss, not snybody else's.
Salaam
So right. That man just cannot understand we are not here to defend quran, since its only God who defends the quran. We are here to learn what the quran says without the hadith. This man also claims, that when we disagrees with the sunnites than it means that we are 're-interpretating' the quran in order to fit our minds. Ironically he does not consider the sectarians as 're-interpretating the quran' in order to fit their hadith agenda. This only shows, that he think sectarian islam is true islam.
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So right. That man just cannot understand we are not here to defend quran, since its only God who defends the quran. We are here to learn what the quran says without the hadith. This man also claims, that when we disagrees with the sunnites than it means that we are 're-interpretating' the quran in order to fit our minds. Ironically he does not consider the sectarians as 're-interpretating the quran' in order to fit their hadith agenda. This only shows, that he think sectarian islam is true islam.
Dear WhereIsTheTruth,
It seems that something had confused your mind. It is regarding 'Muhammad', name of prophet.
Today in 'Film Making and encouraging haram?' post you mentioned prophet name as 'Muhammad'. Refer below
propher muhammed himself stated that you should not have anything to do with pork or sex, and know mashallah you want to make a movie on that so remember that prophet muhammad is angry with you.
But in 'Dr. Subhi Mansour on the term "muhsanat" in the Koran' post, you quoted;
NOPE. Who says it was the caliphs who put the prophets teachings into book? and who says prophets name was muhammad? look, i am not a hadither.
And when I confirmed this state-of-confusion of yours, you replied
You are right, dude. But whats wrong with that? I really like contruktive critic. So if you want to give me feedback, go ahead.
The problem however, as I see it is, that your picture of islam is that of a religion with a special dogma. Let me clearify a few points
- Islam IS NOT A RELIGION
- God does NOT care about your religion, what he cares about is your actions
- MUSLIM means a submitter to God, and you achieve that status by virtue, honor, respect, good deeds and healthy thoughts.
Peace
The character that you are displaying is giving negative impact to Quranist's reputations. You are among those who being guided by Allah and please be one.
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Dear WhereIsTheTruth,
It seems that something had confused your mind. It is regarding 'Muhammad', name of prophet.
Today in 'Film Making and encouraging haram?' post you mentioned prophet name as 'Muhammad'. Refer below
But in 'Dr. Subhi Mansuour on the term "muhsanat" in the Koran' post, you quoted;
And when I confirmed this state-of-confusion of yours, you replied
The character that you are displaying is giving negative impact to Quranist's reputations. You are among those who being guided by Allah and please be one.
Dear az2. It is great to see the attention you give my posts. Always good to have admirers. But sadly you didn't had brain cell enough to understand that I was being sarcastic in my post to 'film making and encouraging Haram'. You seriously lack sense.
Frankly if anyone is confused than its you, you avoid difficult questions post to you and you keep insist that sunnism is true islam. You was not even able to answer my post to you.
Honestly, i find it very, VERY hard to take you serious, and so do most people in this forum.