The name of the last prophet?
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Mazhar,
Your response demonstrates that you have not even read the article. You just read the title and then attacked the keyboard, spewing responses filled with numerous "stupid" words. You may continue fooling yourself with such emotional reaction. I do not really expect a Muhammad-worshiper will be able to read, let alone understand my argument. So, keep praising your idol and you will be shocked in the Day of Judgment, the day of Taghabun.
Peace,
Edip -
It is odd that "all praise belongs to God", and that Muhammad should mean "the praised one".
That Muhammed (Muhammid?) can mean frequent praiser, is a nuance of understanding I appreciate.
I just skimmed the article though, maybe I have better time to read it more thoroughly later.Peace.
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Your response demonstrates that you have not even read the article.
I read it all more carefully than the care you migh thave exercised in writing it.
This is the reason that I am asking you to write the words with the vowels as you think or wish to be written. Thereat, you will realize what I have said. Why you escape such simple requests?
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Dear Mazhar,
During the first century after the revelation of the Quran, the diacritical marks were not yet invented. So, today's orthodox reading (pronounciation) is the product of a later codification and it reflects some sectarian biases and distortions.
In English, I prefer writing it as Muhammed, not Muhammad.
Peace,
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Dear Mazhar,
During the first century after the revelation of the Quran, the diacritical marks were not yet invented. So, today's orthodox reading (pronounciation) is the product of a later codification and it reflects some sectarian biases and distortions.
In English, I prefer writing it as Muhammed, not Muhammad.
Peace,
EdipSo you do not even wish to follow your own messenger Rashad Khalifa? Have you discarded him as being a messenger?
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It is odd that "all praise belongs to God", and that Muhammad should mean "the praised one".
That Muhammed (Muhammid?) can mean frequent praiser, is a nuance of understanding I appreciate.
I just skimmed the article though, maybe I have better time to read it more thoroughly later. Peace.Before sharing this article I consulted to three colleagues of mine and all told me that they had similar question but somehow they did not pursue studying it.
I am glad that you have too noticed the problem. In the article, I listed all the verse numbers where the derivatives of the word HMD are used. They are instructive. Only God deserves such an admiration, honor, submission, that is expressed in Arabic word, HMD. I have now came to understanding that HMD is one of the verbs approved only to denote our relation to God. It is similar to the verb A'BaDa or SaBaHa. We can SERVE (ABaDa, nABuDu) without condition, God alone; not anyone else, including His messengers. We can SaBaHa God alone, none else. Thus, no creature should be named mA'BuD (the one who is served without condition) or maSBuH (the one who is glorified and praised) or muSaBbaH (the one whou is glorified and praised frequently)...
Peace,
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So you do not even wish to follow your own messenger Rashad Khalifa? Have you discarded him as being a messenger?
Are you incapable of dicsussing an issue without jumping from one to another? (This is my retaliation to your loaded question! For the other two logical fallacies you commit, see below)
Your quesiton above contains three logical fallacies that I teach my students not to commit. It is called redherring, it is called ad hominem, and it is called complex (or loaded) question. Interestingly, you have managed to cramp all these three logical fallacies in a short question! bravo
Besides, your question unveils your unquestioned assumptions about messengership, and about my position on the issue.
Peace,
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Dear Edip,
You cannot escape inherent contradictions of your thoughts, despite efforts. Your messenger said in writing that he believes in the name Muhammad while you disagree and say it is Muhammed. You, indirectly, have included him and thus condemned with those who distorted Qur'aan.
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Dear Edip,
You cannot escape inherent contradictions of your thoughts, despite efforts. Your messenger said in writing that he believes in the name Muhammad while you disagree and say it is Muhammed. You, indirectly, have included him and thus condemned with those who distorted Qur'aan.
It is realy frustrating to discuss issues with people who have little interest in critical thinking.
Until reacently, I too had no problem with the pronounciation of "MuhammAd." We are responsible for our intentions and for what we know and for what we are given. If Rashad was alive today and he was reminded of this contradiction, I am almost sure that he would correct his error as he did numerous times when he was alive. I worked together with him for one year in Masjid Tucson, every day of the week and I know him much better than you do. Besides, his own revisions of his previous translations are evidence for this fact.
Only bigots and idolworshipers do not learn new things and they do not correct their errors!
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maHMuD (the praised position) occurs once as the description of the POSITION promised for the prophet 1779. Edip
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/017.%20Al%20Israa/17.79a.gif
It occurs as revival of the "praised position". Can someone hold a praised position without he being considered worthy of praise?The use of word "position" also denotes location especially in relation to others. Thereby, you admit, say inadvertantly, that he holds a position of praise.
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It is realy frustrating to discuss issues with people who have little interest in critical thinking.
Until reacently, I too had no problem with the pronounciation of "MuhammAd." We are responsible for our intentions and for what we know and for what we are given. If Rashad was alive today and he was reminded of this contradiction, I am almost sure that he would correct his error as he did numerous times when he was alive. I worked together with him for one year in Masjid Tucson, every day of the week and I know him much better than you do. Besides, his own revisions of his previous translations are evidence for this fact.
Only bigots and idolworshipers do not learn new things and they do not correct their errors!
Weldone. You have rather now nakedly exposed the inherent contradictions. If this has been your and that of Rashad Khalifa's practice then how you could call the writing of earlier people as "distortions" who also read the word as Muhammad and NOT Muhammed?
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Weldone. You have rather now nakedly exposed the inherent contradictions. If this has been your and that of Rashad Khalifa's practice then how you could call the writing of earlier people as "distortions" who also read the word as Muhammad and NOT Muhammed?
Since you are infatuated with numerology and instead of conjecturing on pronunciation post all occurrences of merciful and tell why you teach/spread corruption remove verses of Qur'an?
4829 Muhammad messenger The God and the ones who with him tough on the disbelievers merciful (plural) among themselves
Why is it that Rashad Khalifa and the code 19 has suddenly become the topic now on this thread. Are people so arrogant and boldface that they can't keep those issues to themselves and critically analyzed what a fellow Brother is proposing. This is not a code 19 or Rashad thread topic people!!!! Stick to the topic! If you want to discuss the code 19 or Rashad Khalifa i suggest you use another thread instead of sidestepping this topic. Act like you have some measure of sobriety and not like wild little children.
Peace,
Kevin
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Weldone. You have rather now nakedly exposed the inherent contradictions. If this has been your and that of Rashad Khalifa's practice then how you could call the writing of earlier people as "distortions" who also read the word as Muhammad and NOT Muhammed?Quote from Noon dhe plume on Yesterday at 075512 PM
Since you are infatuated with numerology and instead of conjecturing on pronunciation post all occurrences of merciful and tell why you teach/spread corruption remove verses of Qur'an?4829 Muhammad messenger The God and the ones who with him tough on the disbelievers merciful (plural) among themselves
Why is it that Rashad Khalifa and the code 19 has suddenly become the topic now on this thread. Are people so arrogant and boldface that they can't keep those issues to themselves and critically analyzed what a fellow Brother is proposing. This is not a code 19 or Rashad thread topic people!!!! Stick to the topic! If you want to discuss the code 19 or Rashad Khalifa i suggest you use another thread instead of sidestepping this topic. Act like you have some measure of sobriety and not like wild little children.
Peace,
You seem to have not even noticed what is the point at issue. The point at issue is Edip's observation in his referred article
4.DISTORTING THE READING OF AN ADJECTIVE Those who idolized the last prophet, changed the pronunciation of his name from Muhammed into Muhammad.
He is only being reminded that his messenger Rashad Khalifa should also be "convicted" for this distortion and idolizing since he did the same thing in his writings and translations what are others alleged to have done. That is the reason Rashad Khalifa has come in.
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So you do not even wish to follow your own messenger Rashad Khalifa? Have you discarded him as being a messenger?
Brother it is rather you that seem to miss the point. When you start making statements like the above you seem like a person who is obsessed with what Rashad Khalifa did. Why can't you and others stick to the topic. Bringing up meaningless topics like these are distractions. If you are in love with Rashad like so many others then there are plenty of other threads that you can debate this topic. Please keep your love interests and ideas to yourself and stick to the topic. This is about the last prophet's name and not Rashad Khalifa. Can't we all just get along group
Peace,
Kevin
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Peace everyone peace group
Just as a reminder
"Tell My servants to Say what is better, as the devil drives a wedge among them. Surely, the devil is man's most ardent enemy" (1753)God commands us to be/act nice (2195) and retaliate evil with good (1322). Also to say in retaliation what is better/nicer (1753 & 2396) so much so that your enemy might become your own friend! (4134)
"Muhammad, the messenger of GOD, and those with him are harsh and stern against the disbelievers, but kind and compassionate amongst themselves...(4829)
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Peace everyone peace group
Just as a reminder
"Tell My servants to Say what is better, as the devil drives a wedge among them. Surely, the devil is man's most ardent enemy" (1753)God commands us to be/act nice (2195) and retaliate evil with good (1322). Also to say in retaliation what is better/nicer (1753 & 2396) so much so that your enemy might become your own friend! (4134)
"Muhammad, the messenger of GOD, and those with him are harsh and stern against the disbelievers, but kind and compassionate amongst themselves...(4829)
I agree with brother youseef. We should learn to be kind with one another since we all strive to follow the same creed. We are all brothers and sisters. Yes we may have our differences but that doesn't mean we mustn't treat each other with respect. Sometimes we ( including myself) forget this since it is very hard to fight our egos. Let us crush our egos and find the similarities with one another and stop the bickering. In the end we all believe in the basics which is that we should worship God and God alone and not associate partners with him. Nothing is wrong with debating each other to gain more knowledge but lets us not draw a wedge between one another whilst we still have the basic and MOST IMPORTANT similarities.
Peace,
Kevin
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Stick to the topic! If you want to discuss the code 19 or Rashad Khalifa i suggest you use another thread instead of sidestepping this topic. Act like you have some measure of sobriety and not like wild little children.
Exactly. Thank you Kevin.
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As usual, dogmatic people cannot discuss issues properly. I had discussed numerous times this issue and most likely you have not even read my responses to your accusation as you have not even read this article.
As it seems, you are the one who is infatuated, you are the one afflicted with numberphobia... In that long article, you quoted a sentence containing a few numbers, without even understanding its meaning and its context, and reacted to it like those who are prophetically described in 7449-51,
Sorry... I have no time to deal with bigots.
Peace,
EdipWhat are you talking about that I quoted in what long article?
As usual your modus operandi is run like a coward and a zebra when you have no answers.
I'm not the one with the nineteen bug and what exactly is the point of this pointless thread?
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Code 19 is a fragment of something far deeper than we presently understand.
Peace and love -- then why make a baseless comment on things that you are clueless about?
Why don't you help Kevin answer the question posted and the one he avoids in other thread?
Then show us this consistency and pattern; here is second shortest chapter...
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The Arabic Word "Hamd" is usable only for Allah, the Exalted and for His Last Messenger, in keeping with its use in the Grand Qur'aan. For Urdu readers
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/Urdu%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/02.%20Explanation%20of%20Surat/01.%20Al%20Fateha/2%20to%204%20ayah.%20Alhamdo/4%20Alhamdo.gif
Alhamdo LilAllah