Free Minds' Consensus on Hajj
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And what if you don't get drunk? Or only do it once a year before sleeping? And by only drinking a little?
peace,
do you mean like moderation something? if moderation , it means you lie to yourself. do you agree with me?
OR it may be you want a buzz lil bit... like you really need that u know. -
do you mean like moderation something? if moderation , it means you lie to yourself. do you agree with me?
OR it may be you want a buzz lil bit... like you really need that u know.Peace,
Drinking in moderation neither has many benefits nor is it prohibited.
1667 and from fruits the date palm and the grapes you take from it sakaran/intoxicant and provision good indeed in that surely a sign for people who reason
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Shalom Aleikhem,
This does not make sense. Let me be wrong, I let you be wrong. If you keep picking on every single thing that can only divide us. I avoid alcohol and gambling, others on this community do it in moderation may be, I do not agree with them. So what ??? Now I need to divide and form groups that do not agree on drinking/gambling ? Then what ? Divide based on interpretation of Hajj ? Then what ?
Free-minds is one of the most diverse natured places I have ever experienced. "Either my way or the high way" don't seem like a good method of holding on to the rope of God and not being divided. As of yet, code 19 dont make sense to me, yet, I do not consider them Non-Muslims, they are not like me for sure, but I did not arrive on the scene with any Certificate of Muslmhood signed by the hand of God.
The funniest thing on earth is that I often disagree with myself too and spend months if not years battling with my inclinations, I wonder if I should label my half as a Kafir based on that.
Peace
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Shalom Aleikhem,
This does not make sense. Let me be wrong, I let you be wrong. If you keep picking on every single thing that can only divide us. I avoid alcohol and gambling, others on this community do it in moderation may be, I do not agree with them. So what ??? Now I need to divide and form groups that do not agree on drinking/gambling ? Then what ? Divide based on interpretation of Hajj ? Then what ?
Free-minds is one of the most diverse natured places I have ever experienced. "Either my way or the high way" don't seem like a good method of holding on to the rope of God and not being divided. As of yet, code 19 dont make sense to me, yet, I do not consider them Non-Muslims, they are not like me for sure, but I did not arrive on the scene with any Certificate of Muslmhood signed by the hand of God.
The funniest thing on earth is that I often disagree with myself too and spend months if not years battling with my inclinations, I wonder if I should label my half as a Kafir based on that.
Peace
-------------- Student of AllahExcellent points.
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Salaam
Shame again another thread which goes off topic thanks to some!
I am just disheartened that every post i go to looking for help with topics is hijacked by some self righteous idiot who thinks he knows best and clearly doesn't.first thing is if you are truly righteous you do not disrespect ordinate guards others opinions...you make your point and then peacefully retreat if the other cannot understand. Let Allah fulfil his promise to us....let him teach us..we can only guide and ponder.
A plea to the admins please please just ban such people and make a rule that you may only talk about the topic and dispute or discuss the TOPIC only.
I am desperate to understand Hajj and discuss with others but each thread is full of arguments about non related issues
As a new comer this is a impartial feedback.
salaam
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Just wondering what Free Minds (or the Monotheist Group) agree for the most part what "hajj" really is. I see that they define it as "Pilgrimage" as this forum's name is, but pilgrimage to where? How similar/different is their view of Hajj compared to the mainstream Sunni version?
Peace,
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Well I can only speak for myself. I believe haj was a meccan pilgrimaje practice. The Quran converted it to a monotheist goal. For me this issue is no big deal as I see rituals as a humanity practice where all humans perform. The pagans of Mecca did so for their deities. The Quran's goal is not to change the practice but to direct it to God.
Some have a problem with the practice itself. many here have problems with salat and fasting and also haj. They do not agree with rituals of any kind. They often therefore look for alternative interpretations. They tend to go in circles. Years passed by with the issue still going in circles.
We are told in the Quran that haj is universal. The pagans of Mecca had their religious rituals and ceremonies and rites. Many nations as we know had temples and religious rites and sacrifices to offer thanks. But the goal of the Quran is to direct that practice to God.
Whether Abraham was there or not is irrelevant. I think later Islamic authorities feared rival haj locations and therefore wanted something to give Mecca a uniqueness. But thats not relevant to the Quran.
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Salam everyone... As a new comer to fm, I've read all the posts regarding Haj in this forum so I would like to share with everyone what I understand about Haj 'initial process'.
Before God gives instruction to Abraham to build sanctuary/shelter, God says He appointed him to be a 'leader' for the people. I personally think that this is an obligation for a muslim leader to build a sanctuary for the people of the country.
It's like the homeless shelters in the US (or maybe in other countries as well). Except in the US, there are too many of them and privately-built.
Is this make sense? What do you think?
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Every ritual is done for goodness one's own body and mind.. to get the balance from the evils of excess in all forms. Learn, Feel good and importantly sacrifice is the primary purpose of Hajj. Better to go in walking mode to remote places of worship, stay in the uncomfort zone feel the difficulties to understand the goodness of God.
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peace Hariz, all,
You may wish to read http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-hajj-Quran.html
Discussion thread https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605950 (you may note, no-one pointed out any errors)
Salam. Thank you so much for replying brother Wakas. I really apprecite the article. )
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Does it matter if they invent more on something already invented?
That's how all religion was made, is made and will be made..
The 'claim' that it was 'from God' was used to attached an 'authority label' to the religion and to avoid any logical questioning from the masses.
A You need to go to my place every year and you need to bring forth your tribute.
B Why is that?
A Because God said so, otherwise He will be angry and will torture you for all eternity after you die. -
Why? How? Is it magic happening in you?
Magic )
I am talking simple logic. pilgrimage is not new to islam, hundred of other places people go pilgrimage for so many reasons, most climb hills, go far off different place and In some religions there was a concept of renouncement, to be a monk and live by begging. if you ask why without branding that as shirk, then you can see the logic and also the magic of God belief.
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Magic )
I am talking simple logic. pilgrimage is not new to islam, hundred of other places people go pilgrimage for so many reasons, most climb hills, go far off different place and In some religions there was a concept of renouncement, to be a monk and live by begging. if you ask why without branding that as shirk, then you can see the logic and also the magic of God belief.
Do not associate magic to Allah
