When Solomon missed Salat
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Peace Mirjamnur,
I am so sorry you were disrespected. It is awful when people communicate this way, especially when you are trying to hold an informative and hopefully developmental discussion with someone you consider to be on your wavelength.
Dawn.
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Peace Mirjamnur,
I am so sorry you were disrespected. It is awful when people communicate this way, especially when you are trying to hold an informative and hopefully developmental discussion with someone you consider to be on your wavelength.
Dawn.
Concession accepted.
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Peace and Salam to all,
I know it is not easy for a non arabic to catch some nuances from the arabic, even with many translation.Keep learning.
in our subject you asked
38; 31 -32
Does this verse imply that salat actually means bowing and praying to God as opposed to assembly?
Dawn.
I think brother Kaikonrad has a good point and answered your question quiet precisely as I did too
Peace,
why? When I read the verse I just see Suleiman forgot to do something named dhikr rabi= rememberance of The God during a specific time!
Nowhere it is said "bowing, praying"My answer to your question would be then No, the verse does not imply what you say.
Peace
PeaceYou keep trying to make a conclusion with one verse out of his contexte, please keep reading the all chapther 38, you might find some answer e.g. start by verse 38-1
38-1
Sad waalqurani thee alththikri
Sad. by the Qur'an, full of Admonition (this is the Truth).
Sad. By the renowned Qur'an,
Suad, I swear by the Quran, full of admonition.
S?d . By the Qur'?n full of reminding (explaination and honour for the one who believes in it).As you can see verse 1
Sad, By the Qur'an of the rememberance (dhikr)
also use the word "rememberance" and is directly connected to the word "Qur'an"!
My personnal conclusion of the verse 38-31 is that Suleiman was enjoying his horses so much that he forgot to "remember" His Lord by upholding the Gran Lecture either alone or in assembly.regards
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Yes and Allah is OMNISCIENT. Which means Allah knows what to want and what's totally useless.
Prayer just doesn't seem reasonable to me. Allah wants our service. You serve Allah by upholding the Deen of Islam.Shalom Aleikhom,
I see your point. But the question remains, it may feel like it does nothing for us at all. What about others ? What gives us monopoly over the mind of God ? How can only we have opinions over what GOD presumably wants.
I think you basically said the same thing
Prayer just doesn't seem reasonable to me.
I have highlighted the KEY in red.
Peace
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Shalom Aleikhom,
I see your point. But the question remains, it may feel like it does nothing for us at all. What about others ? What gives us monopoly over the mind of God ? How can only we have opinions over what GOD presumably wants.
I think you basically said the same thing
I have highlighted the KEY in red.
Peace
-------------- Student of AllahThe one who's smarter has higher chances to get closer to the truth. I'm confident on my intelligence and the intelligence of certain people who say Salat isn't prayer and Islam isn't a religion. Remember what's said on the Quran, those who take the best of what's been said are those who posses intelligence. I take that salat isn't prayer. Whether I posses intelligence remains to be seen. I refuse to believe in a Creator who wants us to do what I personally believe are useless, and also other definitions make more sense to me.
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The one who's smarter has higher chances to get closer to the truth. I'm confident on my intelligence and the intelligence of certain people who say Salat isn't prayer and Islam isn't a religion. Remember what's said on the Quran, those who take the best of what's been said are those who posses intelligence. I take that salat isn't prayer. Whether I posses intelligence remains to be seen. I refuse to believe in a Creator who wants us to do what I personally believe are useless, and also other definitions make more sense to me.
Shalom Aleikhom,
Your approach is 100% ok. Not because of your conclusions, but because of your methodology. You are striving to know the truth according to evidence at hand. Only following things you can see yourself. That is nice. However, most people do the same and as per their own brain capacity, reach certain conclusions which may/may not agree with your or my interpretation of Salat.
As you pointed out that you "personally believe" other forms of Salats are useless, and only follow definitions that makes sense to you, I take it that you are already aware that every "person" may "personally believe" based on their "subjective" understandings that your method of Salat is useless.
As long as God does not start charging a soul beyond its capacity, we need not worry. All we need to do is to hold to the rope of God and work towards establishing his essence in AT LEAST our lives. In the process, some of us will be right on somethings while wrong on others, Inshallah, we will not allow our arrogance to divide and rule us.
God bless you
Peace
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Shalom Aleikhom,
Your approach is 100% ok. Not because of your conclusions, but because of your methodology. You are striving to know the truth according to evidence at hand. Only following things you can see yourself. That is nice. However, most people do the same and as per their own brain capacity, reach certain conclusions which may/may not agree with your or my interpretation of Salat.
As you pointed out that you "personally believe" other forms of Salats are useless, and only follow definitions that makes sense to you, I take it that you are already aware that every "person" may "personally believe" based on their "subjective" understandings that your method of Salat is useless.
As long as God does not start charging a soul beyond its capacity, we need not worry. All we need to do is to hold to the rope of God and work towards establishing his essence in AT LEAST our lives. In the process, some of us will be right on somethings while wrong on others, Inshallah, we will not allow our arrogance to divide and rule us.
God bless you
Peace
------------ Student of AllahStudent of Allah - salam alaykum - very apt response and a good lesson for those who wish to take heed.
Dawn - by my own limited understanding - solomon missed a service (prayer) - this is how i understand it - and by not taking that verse on its own - i use the Quran to understand that Salat is at specific time ranges - we have the dawn - we have the middle and we have the evening fo rinstance.
in this case my understand is that solomon missed the evening - what is ishh prayer but people mostly know as maghrib.whilst the verse does not say that he prayed - it indicats he missed remembering God until the sun was gone - see verse 2945
For me - putting all verses and issues on salat from the quran in context - then i can infer in my limited understanding that the rememberance of God is the salat he was to do.
salam alaykum
