Qur'an is the number 1 authority ?
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Shalom Aleikhom,
You simply read the title and ended up commenting...!!! ?
Peace
---------- Student of AllahWell yeah, was pointing that out just in case.
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Many times I have seen scholars and muslims impressing Christian/hindu audience with Qur'an. The moment the individual converts to Islam, "Good Bye Qur'an" happens.
Peace
------------- Student of AllahExactly. It is a nice little bait-and-switch maneuver, and is the main reason why I don't say I am a muslim in the rare occastion that I talk to an "orthodox" muslim. I just rather not deal with the nonsense, and generally they are more apt to hear me out as an outsider questioning the authority of the sunna (because they think they can convert me). >D
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I just rather not deal with the nonsense, and generally they are more apt to hear me out as an outsider questioning the authority of the sunna (because they think they can convert me). >D
Yeah.. I used to think along that line as well.. during my days of Ignorance.. ))
Seeking conversion.. because "my imam" back then told me when I managed to convert a person, then I will get some share of his good deeds afterwards.. so it's a kind of MLM business perhaps.. rotfl rotflSalam / Peace
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Yeah.. I used to think along that line as well.. during my days of Ignorance.. )
Seeking conversion.. because "my imam" back then told me when I managed to convert a person, then I will get some share of his good deeds afterwards.. so it's a kind of MLM business perhaps.. rotfl rotflSalam / Peace
They really tell people that??! So if you get enough converts, you can pretty much do nothing and coast into paradise?!!? When I was a kid and we had Vacation Bible School, they always gave a prize for the kid who brought the most friends. Maybe they should have promised us merit like that! rotfl
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Salaam,
Maybe she has to say welcome to you
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SoA Date Registered May 27, 2011, 031321 AMShalom Aleikhom,
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Anyways... lets me say... "Welcome Back" to Ala
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Shalom Aleikhom,
Well, that was kind of my point. If you are honest, how can you still say that Qur'an is the number one authority ??? I mean, I respect your right to believe that hadiths are divine and they can go against the Qur'an and must be followed even when Qur'an disagrees. But I dont respect you the moment you "Claim" that Al-Qur'an is your number one source.
I dont know why they promote this "No. 1 Source" lie, probably to sell Allah's ayaats ??? Don't know !! Many times I have seen scholars and muslims impressing Christian/hindu audience with Qur'an. The moment the individual converts to Islam, "Good Bye Qur'an" happens.
Peace
------------- Student of AllahGood point. Many people who converted to Islam through Quran did the mistake of going to the mosque and then getting "converted again" to Sunnism. A year or two later many left Islam because the rigitidity of the Sunnah.
The reason why they say Quran is number one source even if its a lie is to sell the Sunnah to the Muslim masses. Most Muslims think the Sunnah explains the Quran. They are not aware of exactly what role the Sunnah plays. Its all "Islam" for them.
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Yeah.. I used to think along that line as well.. during my days of Ignorance.. )
Seeking conversion.. because "my imam" back then told me when I managed to convert a person, then I will get some share of his good deeds afterwards.. so it's a kind of MLM business perhaps.. rotfl rotflSalam / Peace
Wow! My Imam is better, when I helped convert someone he said I was 100% getting Jannah, but no sex with hurs for me cause I am female, thats for the men .. but I will sure be purrrty...lol
When I converted it was Qur'an and then... Oh by the way.. you need to kill black dogs, drink camel pee and watch monkeys stone each other for adultery. Toto, I don't think we are in Kansas anymore
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Wow! My Imam is better, when I helped convert someone he said I was 100% getting Jannah, but no sex with hurs for me cause I am female, thats for the men .. but I will sure be purrrty...lol
When I converted it was Qur'an and then... Oh by the way.. you need to kill black dogs, drink camel pee and watch monkeys stone each other for adultery. Toto, I don't think we are in Kansas anymore
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Shalom Aleikhom,
560 Say "Shall I inform you of worse than this as a punishment from God? Those whom God cursed and became angry at them, and He made from them apes and pigs and servants of evil. Those have a worse place and are more astray from the right path."
Sometime hadiths do help interpret the Qur'an I am afraid !! Borrowing jurisprudence from monkeys !! brickwall
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They really tell people that??! So if you get enough converts, you can pretty much do nothing and coast into paradise?!!? When I was a kid and we had Vacation Bible School, they always gave a prize for the kid who brought the most friends. Maybe they should have promised us merit like that! rotfl
See how the sunni clerics are 'much smarter' (in BS).
The priest in your "Vacation Bible School" need to spend some $$$ for the prize.
While my Imam doesn't need to spend anything.. because "the reward shall come from Allah"...
(thus they can keep all the donation from 'new converts' to themselves.)
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Salam!
Incase you have not noticed, i am "Student of Allah" not "Servant ...." )
Sorry)
You can use these posts, other forum posts, but please verify them first. ) I had lots of works on hadiths, misquoting Qur'an,etc... few of them can be found on my blog let me provide them below if it helps you
As I mentioned before I dont have knowledge in hadeeth, so think I can trust your hadeeth quoting and comparisons. God says in 496 "You, you those who believed, if a debaucher came to you with news/information, so seek clarification/explanation that (E) you strike/hit a nation with ignorance/foolishness, so you become/become in the morning on what you made/did regretful/remorseful"
From what you write I understand you are not a debaucher)ohh... about Shalom Aleikhom.... well... Jesus kinda said something similar...God raised the dead for him, Moses kinda said something similar...God parted the Nile for him.... so....mmmm..hmm... I dont know.. you make up the conclusion. If you cant, just email Imam Bukhari ([email protected])...he is good at that )
Didn?t Jesus talk Arameic? Ofcourse you may use any greeting you want but frankly I cant see what opening the see and raising the dead have to do with any greeting, maybe you dont mean that. This is not an argument just telling that your point didint make any sense to me, but its ok, we dont have to debate greetings, as long as they are peacefull
Peace!
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Shalom Aleikhom,
As I mentioned before I dont have knowledge in hadeeth, so think I can trust your hadeeth quoting and comparisons. God says in 496 "You, you those who believed, if a debaucher came to you with news/information, so seek clarification/explanation that (E) you strike/hit a nation with ignorance/foolishness, so you become/become in the morning on what you made/did regretful/remorseful"
From what you write I understand you are not a debaucher)I do not consider myself as evil. But I am a human being, so can make mistakes. If you try to verify my works, its good for both of us. Learning experience for both of us.
Didn?t Jesus talk Arameic? Ofcourse you may use any greeting you want but frankly I cant see what opening the see and raising the dead have to do with any greeting, maybe you dont mean that. This is not an argument just telling that your point didint make any sense to me, but its ok, we dont have to debate greetings, as long as they are peacefull
Well, it doesnt make sense. I know that, thats why I asked you to contact Bukhari ) He is good at making sh*t up. Senseless things like
".....Then the Almighty will come to them in a shape other than the one which they saw the first time, and He will say, 'I am your Lord,' and they will say, 'You are not our Lord.' And none will speak to Him then but the Prophets, and then it will be said to them, 'Do you know any sign by which you can recognize Him?' They will say. 'The Shin,' and so Allah will then uncover His Shin whereupon every believer will prostrate before Him ..."
So you can probably guess by now why I asked you to contact him . This dude has some wild imaginations.... no matter how baseless my SHALOM ALEIKHOM reasoning was, this dude will help you add to the story and fabricate a conclusion.
Peace
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I do not consider myself as evil. But I am a human being, so can make mistakes. If you try to verify my works, its good for both of us. Learning experience for both of us.
Im just being honest, we are being bombarded with information from everywhere and its so hard to verify everything. You read the news and trust the sources and talk to your friends about the news you red as if you were there and seen them by your self. Of course I see your point, and I will try to verify your hadiths, I understand its your duty to remind everyone to verify information, Im just being honest
Well, it doesnt make sense. I know that, thats why I asked you to contact Bukhari He is good at making sh*t up. Senseless things like
".....Then the Almighty will come to them in a shape other than the one which they saw the first time, and He will say, 'I am your Lord,' and they will say, 'You are not our Lord.' And none will speak to Him then but the Prophets, and then it will be said to them, 'Do you know any sign by which you can recognize Him?' They will say. 'The Shin,' and so Allah will then uncover His Shin whereupon every believer will prostrate before Him ..."
So you can probably guess by now why I asked you to contact him . This dude has some wild imaginations.... no matter how baseless my SHALOM ALEIKHOM reasoning was, this dude will help you add to the story and fabricate a conclusion.
CRAZY HADITH! >
Its hard to understand written jokes -[ But it was a good onePeace!