What constitues Kufr?
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yes I know..and that's why muslims call them kafirs. Allah knows the best.
As for the 2nd issue, I think people sometimes have difficulty in accepting clear messages of Quran and try to reinterpret verses until their new understanding becomes tolerable. Actually nothing is deliberate here as they really convinced such a message is impossible from God so their new interpretition is correct (although it generally contradicts with many other verses).
A typical example may be the misinterpretition of 262. Since some people find Quran's message about nonmuslims (in particular about christians and jews) too harsh, they take misinterpretition of 262 as a shelter, that any faithful and rightous one will get salvation, which would make sense if 262 did only address nonmuslims, but it also addresses believers,the people of Quran, for whom believing in (1) God and (2) the last day only D is definitely not sufficient
4136 O you who believe, you shall believe in GOD and His messenger, and the scripture He has revealed through His messenger, and the scripture He has revealed before that. Anyone who refuses to believe in GOD, and His angels, and His scriptures, and His messengers, and the Last Day, has indeed strayed far astray.
Of course the misinterpretition of 262 contradicts with tons of other verses, but some people adopt the new religion based on it and call nonmuslims submitters etc.. D interesting
peace
Oh I understand but I would assume those who make the mistake of not taking other verses into consideration as doing a simple mistake of forgetting about them otherwise I would not see why anyone who wants Gods reward would do that intentionally. Like I when interpreting a verse see if it contradicts other verses, if not then I see that the verse makes sense as is. Therefore only if one is intending to corrupt the message will they really be a kaffir which I doubt anyone on this board (unless we got some hypocrites here God forbid) would try that.
Regardless thanks for the insight )
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yes I know..and that's why muslims call them kafirs. Allah knows the best.
As for the 2nd issue, I think people sometimes have difficulty in accepting clear messages of Quran and try to reinterpret verses until their new understanding becomes tolerable. Actually nothing is deliberate here as they really convinced such a message is impossible from God so their new interpretition is correct (although it generally contradicts with many other verses).
A typical example may be the misinterpretition of 262. Since some people find Quran's message about nonmuslims (in particular about christians and jews) too harsh, they take misinterpretition of 262 as a shelter, that any faithful and rightous one will get salvation, which would make sense if 262 did only address nonmuslims, but it also addresses believers,the people of Quran, for whom believing in (1) God and (2) the last day only D is definitely not sufficient
4136 O you who believe, you shall believe in GOD and His messenger, and the scripture He has revealed through His messenger, and the scripture He has revealed before that. Anyone who refuses to believe in GOD, and His angels, and His scriptures, and His messengers, and the Last Day, has indeed strayed far astray.
Of course the misinterpretition of 262 contradicts with tons of other verses, but some people adopt the new religion based on it and call nonmuslims submitters etc.. D interesting
peace
What else does the scriptures and prophets preach but faith in God and the hereafter? So when the Koran says to believe in scriptures it means what the scriptures came with. After all the pagans of Mecca did not reject the Koran for any reason other their rejection that God is one and the hereafter is truth. There are plenty of verses in the Koran that tells us that the pagans overwhelmingly rejected the notion that God is one and that mankind will be ressurected.
The Koran is concerned with the MESSAGE the scriptures and prophets came.
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What else does the scriptures and prophets preach but faith in God and the hereafter?
It mainly preaches good deeds and wisdom..
After all the pagans of Mecca did not reject the Koran for any reason other their rejection that God is one and the hereafter is truth.
The rejection from Meccans Pagans were driven by the classic issue $$$$
The "Problem Of Muhammad" to them is because he says those idols inside the Holy Cubical is totally BS, they're not gods let alone able to do anything. And... it got escalated when people start to believe on what this infidel named Muhammad are saying and start abandoning the holy traditions of their great ancestors of paying a homage towards the gods in Holy Cubicle and.. this is the most important thing.. stop paying tribute/donation to the priests and meccan leaders.
No people -> No donation -> No income..
If Mr Mo only introduce a 'his own god' and 'believe on the hereafter' (which was also already common among Pagans) then it's all fine. And if.. he agrees to tell his followers to keep on coming to the Holy Cubicle and most importantly pay donations / tributes to the priests and meccan leaders, that will be even better!!
As more gods -> more people -> more $$$$Unfortunately he didn't , as thus Mr Mo and his followers need to be 'eradicated', to stop the spread of his 'lies', 'deceit', 'kuffurness', 'apostasy', maintain the 'aqida of the ummah' and safe the ummah from straying from the 'true path', which is the path of our great ancestors. And continue to paid homage plus giving $$$$ to the priest and meccan leaders.
There are things which just doesn't change up until now isn't it?
"plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose" -- the more it change the more it stay the same..
Salam / Peace
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"Student of Allah" is correct - the meaning of kafir includes the concept of concealment as this is implicit in the literal meaning of the Arabic word - a farmer who buries seeds in the earth is a type of kafir. In the context of the Quran, the term is used with reference to pagans who have heard the truth but deny it - not with reference to any monotheistic tradition.
Various "scholars" who deliberately hide the words of the Quran from the people can be referred to as kafirs in my view. They knew the truth of what the Quran actually says on an issue, but deliberately conceal them.
The Quran does not condemn the Trinity - it condemns the notion of referring to God as "the third of the three". No articulation of the Trinity says that. The Quran does not even condemn the notion of saying God is "one of the three". Also, the Quran condemns the notion of referring to God as ONLY the Messiah (Jesus) - no Christian says that either.
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Peace redsulphur,
"Student of Allah" is correct - the meaning of kafir includes the concept of concealment as this is implicit in the literal meaning of the Arabic word - a farmer who buries seeds in the earth is a type of kafir. In the context of the Quran, the term is used with reference to pagans who have heard the truth but deny it - not with reference to any monotheistic tradition.
Various "scholars" who deliberately hide the words of the Quran from the people can be referred to as kafirs in my view. They knew the truth of what the Quran actually says on an issue, but deliberately conceal them.
The Quran does not condemn the Trinity - it condemns the notion of referring to God as "the third of the three". No articulation of the Trinity says that. The Quran does not even condemn the notion of saying God is "one of the three". Also, the Quran condemns the notion of referring to God as ONLY the Messiah (Jesus) - no Christian says that either.
The Qur'an doesn't condemn creating partners with God?
The "pagans" of Arabia believed in Allah. They ascribed daughters to him. How is this any different than what Trinitarians do? If you look at it in certain ways, what the Trinitarians do is far worse!
Peace
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Various "scholars" who deliberately hide the words of the Quran from the people can be referred to as kafirs in my view. They knew the truth of what the Quran actually says on an issue, but deliberately conceal them.
Actually that would make them Hypocrites as they call themselves muslims while deliberately doing that. Of course most aren't deliberately doing that as they actually believe it. of course this is how I view view much of the people in the early days of Islam who did such things which led to Bukhari to hear from such people and write it down.
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The Quran does not condemn the Trinity - it condemns the notion of referring to God as "the third of the three". No articulation of the Trinity says that. The Quran does not even condemn the notion of saying God is "one of the three". Also, the Quran condemns the notion of referring to God as ONLY the Messiah (Jesus) - no Christian says that either.
Actually, the Quran condemns just about every Christological position with the exception of hard Unitarianism and Arianism. The first Christological "heresy" in the church was Sabellianism. Sabellus taught that Jesus was in fact God. Trinitarianism states that Jesus, along with the Holy Spirit, are of one substance with the Father, uncreated and co-eternal with him. The Triune God = Community was an interpretation of the Trinity by the Cappadocian fathers based on Nicea. All of these positions are soundly condemned in the Quran. Most Christians do not say they believe this because they do not know their own respective churches' theology, and the implications of this theology, well enough to know where they stand in relationship to monotheism.
Peace,
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Actually, the Quran condemns just about every Christological position with the exception of hard Unitarianism and Arianism. The first Christological "heresy" in the church was Sabellianism. Sabellus taught that Jesus was in fact God. Trinitarianism states that Jesus, along with the Holy Spirit, are of one substance with the Father, uncreated and co-eternal with him. The Triune God = Community was an interpretation of the Trinity by the Cappadocian fathers based on Nicea. All of these positions are soundly condemned in the Quran. Most Christians do not say they believe this because they do not know their own respective churches' theology, and the implications of this theology, well enough to know where they stand in relationship to monotheism.
Peace,
JoelThough i've seen them make it seem like Jesus is more a puppet or avatar of God, which means in other words he is completely controlled and God speaks through him and such and thus supposedly what makes him God, but not actually The infinte and eternal God that all know and they know. Thus "The Father" is still higher for them and Jesus is just a puppet.
That is what I always seem to see, but I don't know I may be wrong.
Regardless, the good thing is that Unitarianism seems to be on a rise ^_^
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Peace Aryan Warrior,
Though i've seen them make it seem like Jesus is more a puppet or avatar of God, which means in other words he is completely controlled and God speaks through him and such and thus supposedly what makes him God, but not actually The infinte and eternal God that all know and they know. Thus "The Father" is still higher for them and Jesus is just a puppet.
That is what I always seem to see, but I don't know I may be wrong.
Regardless, the good thing is that Unitarianism seems to be on a rise ^_^
Again
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Indeed, the disbelievers (kafara) are those that say "Allah is the Messiah, Son of Mary"
This comes out of their mouths. Their missionaries preach this. I don't see why people want to try and work around it and say, "Well they really don't believe it in this way" or "The Qur'an doesn't specifically speak against Trinity." Why do we need to make the Deen of God palatable to everyone. It is crystal clear that their belief is only destined to Hellfire. The verse continues
Certainly those who set up partners with Allah, indeed God forbids paradise for them and their abode is the hellfire.
None of this hurts us or God in any way, but we we shouldn't be apologetic about what God says. I am also hopeful for a rise in Unitarianism, that brings them closer to Submission and away from the polytheists.
Peace
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Peace Aryan Warrior,
Again
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Indeed, the disbelievers (kafara) are those that say "Allah is the Messiah, Son of Mary"
This comes out of their mouths. Their missionaries preach this. I don't see why people want to try and work around it and say, "Well they really don't believe it in this way" or "The Qur'an doesn't specifically speak against Trinity." Why do we need to make the Deen of God palatable to everyone. It is crystal clear that their belief is only destined to Hellfire. The verse continues
Certainly those who set up partners with Allah, indeed God forbids paradise for them and their abode is the hellfire.
None of this hurts us or God in any way, but we we shouldn't be apologetic about what God says. I am also hopeful for a rise in Unitarianism, that brings them closer to Submission and away from the polytheists.
Peace
And yet you got this
"And the Jews said Ezra is the son of God and the Christians said The Messiah is the son of God. That is the saying with their mouths. They conform with the sayings of those who were ungrateful before. God took the offensive. How they are misled! They took to themselves their learned Jewish scholars and their monks as lordsother than Godand the Messiah son of Mary. And they were only commanded to worship The One God. There is no god but He! Glory be to Him above the partners they ascribe! " (930-31)"
Yet both of them are called the People of the Book. They are both disbelievers no matter what, yet God has deemed them as exceptions in various verses.
Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve . (262)
Remember they wouldn't count as believers cause they don't accept the Quran otherwise they'd have converted therefore they are the exception because in the end they are still monotheists no matter how you look at it.
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And yet you got this
"And the Jews said Ezra is the son of God and the Christians said The Messiah is the son of God. That is the saying with their mouths. They conform with the sayings of those who were ungrateful before. God took the offensive. How they are misled! They took to themselves their learned Jewish scholars and their monks as lords?other than God?and the Messiah son of Mary. And they were only commanded to worship The One God. There is no god but He! Glory be to Him above the partners they ascribe! " (930-31)"
Yet both of them are called the People of the Book. They are both disbelievers no matter what, yet God has deemed them as exceptions in various verses.
Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve . (262)
Remember they wouldn't count as believers cause they don't accept the Quran otherwise they'd have converted therefore they are the exception because in the end they are still monotheists no matter how you look at it.
Peace Aryan Warrior, amuslim,
The beauty of the Quran is that it does not generalize for all Christians and Jews, but gives some specifics that help determine which Christians are monotheists. In terms of the phrase "son of God", you probably know that this is a Semitic idiom for a righteous person. There is a difference between a Christian who refers to Jesus as the son of God (in other words, the most righteous person to have lived), and understands it in its original sense. Then there is the Christian that refers to Jesus as the son of God, and is either ignorant or dismissive of the original meaning. Such a Christian would probably have no problem WORSHIPPING Jesus as the son of God (referencing your quotation of 930-31). In such a case, it would be difficult to call such a Christian a monotheist, but as always God knows best. )
I think a lot goes into a person refusing to accept the message of the Quran, particularly for Christians in the West who would otherwise identify with its message. I personally think that a Christian or Jew who does not worship anyone other than God, and does not accept the word of their pastor/priest/rabbi as infallible (i.e. papal infallibility, etc) is probably ok.
Peace,
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Peace MaverickMonotheist, Aryan Warrior
And yet you got this
"And the Jews said Ezra is the son of God and the Christians said The Messiah is the son of God. That is the saying with their mouths. They conform with the sayings of those who were ungrateful before. God took the offensive. How they are misled! They took to themselves their learned Jewish scholars and their monks as lordsother than Godand the Messiah son of Mary. And they were only commanded to worship The One God. There is no god but He! Glory be to Him above the partners they ascribe! " (930-31)"
Yet both of them are called the People of the Book. They are both disbelievers no matter what, yet God has deemed them as exceptions in various verses.
Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve . (262)
Remember they wouldn't count as believers cause they don't accept the Quran otherwise they'd have converted therefore they are the exception because in the end they are still monotheists no matter how you look at it.
Peace Aryan Warrior, amuslim,
The beauty of the Quran is that it does not generalize for all Christians and Jews, but gives some specifics that help determine which Christians are monotheists. In terms of the phrase "son of God", you probably know that this is a Semitic idiom for a righteous person. There is a difference between a Christian who refers to Jesus as the son of God (in other words, the most righteous person to have lived), and understands it in its original sense. Then there is the Christian that refers to Jesus as the son of God, and is either ignorant or dismissive of the original meaning. Such a Christian would probably have no problem WORSHIPPING Jesus as the son of God (referencing your quotation of 930-31). In such a case, it would be difficult to call such a Christian a monotheist, but as always God knows best. )
I think a lot goes into a person refusing to accept the message of the Quran, particularly for Christians in the West who would otherwise identify with its message. I personally think that a Christian or Jew who does not worship anyone other than God, and does not accept the word of their pastor/priest/rabbi as infallible (i.e. papal infallibility, etc) is probably ok.
Peace,
JoelRefer to what Maverick stated.
If you want to abrogate parts of the Qur'an, like the Sunnis do, then that is your business. All I know is that God says that Trinitarians (ie. Christians that say Jesus is God, not Unitarians) are destined for the hellfire. Does this bother you? If any person that claims himself/herself a Muslim and worships Muhammad as God (like the Trinitarians), there abode is the same place.
God says that he will forgive anything but shirk. There's no way around it.
God knows best.
Peace -
@ a muslim
agreed - we are not to create partners with God - from that perspective, one can refer to the Trinity as incorrect, but the Trinity itself is not explicitly mentioned in the Quran. I try to give Christians some leeway as they always defend the Trinity as a monotheistic concept, but I have never understood how they achieve that. Perhaps they have lost the true meaning of this doctrine and the Quran is correcting a misunderstanding on the part of Christians regarding Jesus' spiritual status. While the Quran says that it is incorrect to say that Allah is none but the Messiah, it does not preclude the other way around. I am not saying that Jesus is Allah, but perhaps something akin to Ibn al-Arabi's concept of the "Perfect man" can be resorted to - the notion that one adopts the attributes of Allah so perfectly from a human perspective that he is "god-like" and thus viewed as one with Him. The Quran refers to Jesus as "blameless" after all. But perhaps I am delving too far into Sufi territory here.....
Of course, the notion of Jesus being worshipped is condemned by the Quran (as evidenced by God's questioning of Jesus and Mary on the day of Judgement and Him asking them if they authorized for them to be worshipped, a charge which they deny). -
Peace Aryan Warrior, amuslim,
The beauty of the Quran is that it does not generalize for all Christians and Jews, but gives some specifics that help determine which Christians are monotheists. In terms of the phrase "son of God", you probably know that this is a Semitic idiom for a righteous person. There is a difference between a Christian who refers to Jesus as the son of God (in other words, the most righteous person to have lived), and understands it in its original sense. Then there is the Christian that refers to Jesus as the son of God, and is either ignorant or dismissive of the original meaning. Such a Christian would probably have no problem WORSHIPPING Jesus as the son of God (referencing your quotation of 930-31). In such a case, it would be difficult to call such a Christian a monotheist, but as always God knows best.
I think a lot goes into a person refusing to accept the message of the Quran, particularly for Christians in the West who would otherwise identify with its message. I personally think that a Christian or Jew who does not worship anyone other than God, and does not accept the word of their pastor/priest/rabbi as infallible (i.e. papal infallibility, etc) is probably ok.
Peace,
JoelBut Christians almost all unanimously call Jesus son of God, but remember though that son of God refers to only a relationship with God that is like that and not really a physical son. I know unitarians who don't think of Jesus as God but still call him son of God. Thus they worship God alone. Would they not be monotheists?
Peace MaverickMonotheist, Aryan Warrior
Refer to what Maverick stated.
If you want to abrogate parts of the Qur'an, like the Sunnis do, then that is your business. All I know is that God says that Trinitarians (ie. Christians that say Jesus is God, not Unitarians) are destined for the hellfire. Does this bother you? If any person that claims himself/herself a Muslim and worships Muhammad as God (like the Trinitarians), there abode is the same place.
God says that he will forgive anything but shirk. There's no way around it.
God knows best.
PeaceRealize that the Trinity the Quran talks about is FAR different from the Trinity we see. The Trinity the Quran talks about has God, Jesus and Mary and describes it where God is considered equal to those other two. That there is pure polytheism, and they worship them as three separate beings. The Trinity we see has God, Jesus and The Holy Spirit in modern times. That has God who is above all and infinite and eternal like we know and Jesus is like a human puppet who is controlled move by move, word by word to transmit where God would speak through that body to the people. Thus that is monotheism still as the Jesus they recognize is just a shell that talks to them while knowing and only worshiping one God in the end. That is how I believe the modern Trinity works at least (though I may be wrong, might wanna double check with a Christian)
Regardless if the Quran was talking about only a super small handful and Jews and Christians who aren't like that, then it would not have mentioned them repeatedly over and over as being monotheists regardless of the fact. Otherwise why not throw in that small sect of that old Egyptian religion that turned monotheist for a while (though it might have been completely dead by then) or frankly any religion that is Pagan might have had people that only believed in one despite what their religion says?
Also note that the Quran never once calls them polytheists or idol-worshippers and only as People of the Book. No such title was branded on them once even if they their beliefs are off as they still worship only one God irregardlessly.
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they wouldn't count as believers cause they don't accept the Quran
no..they wouldn't count as believers cause they aren't believers.
262 says that those of the believers who believes in God .... will survive, ie those of the believers who don't believe in God .... will not survive. so the rejectors of them still called believers. Why ?
bcause their origin is the community of Quran followers (muslims/believers).. words such as believers, people of book , (those who call themselves) christians etc are there to categorize people according to their origins, not according to their beliefs.
plz read following
582-83 You will find that the worst enemies of the believers are the Jews and the idol worshipers. And you will find that the closest people in friendship to the believers are those who say, "We are Christian." This is because they have priests and monks among them, and they are not arrogant.When they hear what was revealed to the messenger, you see their eyes flooding with tears as they recognize the truth therein, and they say, "Our Lord, we have believed, so count us among the witnesses.
3199 Surely, some followers of the previous scriptures do believe in GOD, and in what was revealed to you, and in what was revealed to them. They reverence GOD, and they never trade away GOD's revelations for a cheap price. These will receive their recompense from their Lord. GOD is the most efficient in reckoning.
although both verses talk about people who believe in Quran, God still call them "who say, "We are Christian."" or "followers of the previous scriptures" (the term is only used for christians and jews in AQ).
Accordingly you as a convert for example are still one of the people of the book, but not a disbeliever of the people of the book.
now plz read 568 and 569 (two succeeding verses) to better understand what is meant by 569 (or 262) ;
568-69 Say, "O people of the scripture, you have no basis until you uphold the Torah, and the Gospel, and what is sent down to you herein from your Lord." For sure, these revelations from your Lord will cause many of them to plunge deeper into transgression and disbelief. Therefore, do not feel sorry for the disbelieving people. Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the converts, and the Christians; any of them who believe in GOD and believe in the Last Day, and lead a righteous life, have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve.
peace
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Peace Aryan Warrior, redsulpher
Realize that the Trinity the Quran talks about is FAR different from the Trinity we see. The Trinity the Quran talks about has God, Jesus and Mary and describes it where God is considered equal to those other two. That there is pure polytheism, and they worship them as three separate beings. The Trinity we see has God, Jesus and The Holy Spirit in modern times. That has God who is above all and infinite and eternal like we know and Jesus is like a human puppet who is controlled move by move, word by word to transmit where God would speak through that body to the people. Thus that is monotheism still as the Jesus they recognize is just a shell that talks to them while knowing and only worshiping one God in the end. That is how I believe the modern Trinity works at least (though I may be wrong, might wanna double check with a Christian)
Regardless if the Quran was talking about only a super small handful and Jews and Christians who aren't like that, then it would not have mentioned them repeatedly over and over as being monotheists regardless of the fact. Otherwise why not throw in that small sect of that old Egyptian religion that turned monotheist for a while (though it might have been completely dead by then) or frankly any religion that is Pagan might have had people that only believed in one despite what their religion says?
Also note that the Quran never once calls them polytheists or idol-worshippers and only as People of the Book. No such title was branded on them once even if they their beliefs are off as they still worship only one God irregardlessly.
Whether the Trinity in the Qur'an is talking about Father, Son, Holy Ghost or Father, Son, Mary it is all the same. The Qur'an doesn't explicitly name many things, but based on all the verses in the Qur'an, using ijtihad, we get our answer. It's like you telling me that it doesn't say that smoking is haram when the Qur'an states that one should not seek his/her own destruction.
Also, the Qur'an doesn't necessarily say that the Trinity is only the Father, Son, Mary version. It just says stop saying Three in general.
If you referred to the ayat that I posted earlier, the Qur'an explicitly says they have committed shirk. What's your definition of shirk if it is not polytheism?
@ a muslim
agreed - we are not to create partners with God - from that perspective, one can refer to the Trinity as incorrect, but the Trinity itself is not explicitly mentioned in the Quran. I try to give Christians some leeway as they always defend the Trinity as a monotheistic concept, but I have never understood how they achieve that. Perhaps they have lost the true meaning of this doctrine and the Quran is correcting a misunderstanding on the part of Christians regarding Jesus' spiritual status. While the Quran says that it is incorrect to say that Allah is none but the Messiah, it does not preclude the other way around. I am not saying that Jesus is Allah, but perhaps something akin to Ibn al-Arabi's concept of the "Perfect man" can be resorted to - the notion that one adopts the attributes of Allah so perfectly from a human perspective that he is "god-like" and thus viewed as one with Him. The Quran refers to Jesus as "blameless" after all. But perhaps I am delving too far into Sufi territory here.....
Of course, the notion of Jesus being worshipped is condemned by the Quran (as evidenced by God's questioning of Jesus and Mary on the day of Judgement and Him asking them if they authorized for them to be worshipped, a charge which they deny).I see what you are trying to say however that is not in line with the Trinitarian creed. They state that Jesus is co-eternal with the Father and Holy Spirit. If one doesn't exist, the other cease to exist. The Father is a person, the Son is a person, and the Holy Spirit is a person. However, they are not three persons but one person.
Peace
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Peace Aryan Warrior, redsulpher
Whether the Trinity in the Qur'an is talking about Father, Son, Holy Ghost or Father, Son, Mary it is all the same. The Qur'an doesn't explicitly name many things, but based on all the verses in the Qur'an, using ijtihad, we get our answer. It's like you telling me that it doesn't say that smoking is haram when the Qur'an states that one should not seek his/her own destruction.
Also, the Qur'an doesn't necessarily say that the Trinity is only the Father, Son, Mary version. It just says stop saying Three in general.
If you referred to the ayat that I posted earlier, the Qur'an explicitly says they have committed shirk. What's your definition of shirk if it is not polytheism?
I see what you are trying to say however that is not in line with the Trinitarian creed. They state that Jesus is co-eternal with the Father and Holy Spirit. If one doesn't exist, the other cease to exist. The Father is a person, the Son is a person, and the Holy Spirit is a person. However, they are not three persons but one person.
Peace
The trinity that the Koran is concerned about is the one that believes Jesus(or for that matter any entity) is God. Now Christians theology officially does not say that but says Jesus is not fully human but not fully God either. Every Christian probably understands it different. However the Koran was fully aware of the Trinity and yet considered Christianity as a monotheist faith. That is the bottom line and even allowed us to marry from them althought it prohibited that with the pagans. This shows the Koran clearly seperates between paganism and Christianity or Judaism.