Which are the four Sacred Months according to Quran ???

ayman

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Thanks for the link. While I study the threads in the link, can you please summarize and provide the detail of Quran calendar in respect to the Gregorian calendar so that others can comment. Fyi., Quranists have few opinions regarding the Quran's calendar. Some accepted the Hijra' calendar, some refer to Gregorian, Chinese etc.
1 book, 1 GOD but many opinions and never get to agreement.

Peace A2Z,

One needs to ask the right question to brgin with. The question is not about calendars. The god and the entire universe doesn't care abour manmade calendars. They don't care that man named a month February or Zul Hegga or Safar or whatever. They don't care that man haphazardly divided the day into 24 hours or that he made up units of 7 days and called them week. So the question is not about arbitrary manmade calendars. The question is about natural cosmic phenomena that can be used for timing. The right question is answered here

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9188.0

The first few posts provide the best answer currently available and in the remaining 236 pages the answer is discussed and dissected from almost every conceivable angle. This makes the above thread the best resource available anywhere on this topic )

Peace,

Ayman

ayman

@ Ayman
Please tell me is this statment correct or not ,"Rabi is derived from the root word Araba which means 4."

No. The root is not ARB'A (4). The root is RB'A, which doesn't mean the number 4.

Edip_Yuksel

Here is my answer. From, Quran a Reformist Translation, note on verse 937

009037 Today's Sunni and Shiite mushriks consider Rajab, Zul-Qada, Zul-Hijja, and Muharram to be the Restricted Months (the 7th, 11th, 12th, and 1st months of lunar calendar). However, when we study 2197,217; 92,5,36 and the names of known months, we will discover that real Restricted Months must be four consecutive months and they are Zul-Hijja, Muharram, Safar, Rabi ul-Awal (12th, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd months). The very name of the 12th month, Zul-Hijja (Contains Haj), gives us a clue that it is the first month of haj pilgrimage. When we start from the 12th month, the last of the Restricted Months becomes the 3rd month, Rabi ul-Awal (First Fourth), and the very name of this month also is revealing; it suggests that it is the fourth month of the Restricted Months. Then, why the qualification "First"? Well, the name of the following month provides an explanation Rabi ul-Akhir (Second Fourth), which is the fourth month from the beginning of the year. In other words we have two months called "Fourth," the first one referring to the fourth restricted moth, with the second fourth referring to the fourth month of the lunar year. The word rabi (fourth) is used for seasons because each season is one fourth of a year. It is interesting that many of the crimes and distortions mentioned in the Quran have been committed by those who have abandoned the Quran for the sake of hadith and sunna; they repeated the same blunder of their polytheist ancestors.

nobuddy

Peace,

936 indeed count the shwr with The God two ten (is/for twelve) shra in scripture The God day created the skies and the earth from it four prohibited

Here is my answer. From, Quran a Reformist Translation, note on verse 937

009037 Today's Sunni and Shiite mushriks consider Rajab, Zul-Qada, Zul-Hijja, and Muharram to be the Restricted Months (the 7th, 11th, 12th, and 1st months of lunar calendar). However, when we study 2197,217; 92,5,36 and the names of known months, we will discover that real Restricted Months must be four consecutive months and they are Zul-Hijja, Muharram, Safar, Rabi ul-Awal (12th, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd months). The very name of the 12th month, Zul-Hijja (Contains Haj), gives us a clue that it is the first month of haj pilgrimage. When we start from the 12th month, the last of the Restricted Months becomes the 3rd month, Rabi ul-Awal (First Fourth), and the very name of this month also is revealing; it suggests that it is the fourth month of the Restricted Months. Then, why the qualification "First"? Well, the name of the following month provides an explanation Rabi ul-Akhir (Second Fourth), which is the fourth month from the beginning of the year. In other words we have two months called "Fourth," the first one referring to the fourth restricted moth, with the second fourth referring to the fourth month of the lunar year. The word rabi (fourth) is used for seasons because each season is one fourth of a year. It is interesting that many of the crimes and distortions mentioned in the Quran have been committed by those who have abandoned the Quran for the sake of hadith and sunna; they repeated the same blunder of their polytheist ancestors.

How do you know which the first is or twelve?

What if you awoke from a long sleep ? how do you know "Zul-Hijja" month/year, ask who the Chinese?

1811-12 so We cast on their ears in the cave seasons for a number furthermore We raised them that We make evident which the two parties calculated to what they remained duration

A2Z

Here is my answer. From, Quran a Reformist Translation, note on verse 937

009037 Today's Sunni and Shiite mushriks consider Rajab, Zul-Qada, Zul-Hijja, and Muharram to be the Restricted Months (the 7th, 11th, 12th, and 1st months of lunar calendar). However, when we study 2197,217; 92,5,36 and the names of known months, we will discover that real Restricted Months must be four consecutive months and they are Zul-Hijja, Muharram, Safar, Rabi ul-Awal (12th, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd months). The very name of the 12th month, Zul-Hijja (Contains Haj), gives us a clue that it is the first month of haj pilgrimage. When we start from the 12th month, the last of the Restricted Months becomes the 3rd month, Rabi ul-Awal (First Fourth), and the very name of this month also is revealing; it suggests that it is the fourth month of the Restricted Months. Then, why the qualification "First"? Well, the name of the following month provides an explanation Rabi ul-Akhir (Second Fourth), which is the fourth month from the beginning of the year. In other words we have two months called "Fourth," the first one referring to the fourth restricted moth, with the second fourth referring to the fourth month of the lunar year. The word rabi (fourth) is used for seasons because each season is one fourth of a year. It is interesting that many of the crimes and distortions mentioned in the Quran have been committed by those who have abandoned the Quran for the sake of hadith and sunna; they repeated the same blunder of their polytheist ancestors.

Are you referring to the current Hijra Calendar or Lunar Calendar used by majority of the Muslim? If not, please explain in more details.

Have you read ayman's article in below thread?

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9188.0

What say you?

A2Z

Peace A2Z,

One needs to ask the right question to brgin with. The question is not about calendars. The god and the entire universe doesn't care abour manmade calendars. They don't care that man named a month February or Zul Hegga or Safar or whatever. They don't care that man haphazardly divided the day into 24 hours or that he made up units of 7 days and called them week. So the question is not about arbitrary manmade calendars. The question is about natural cosmic phenomena that can be used for timing. The right question is answered here

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9188.0

The first few posts provide the best answer currently available and in the remaining 236 pages the answer is discussed and dissected from almost every conceivable angle. This makes the above thread the best resource available anywhere on this topic )

Peace,

Ayman

At the beginning the thread looks interesting but when come to your below answer to Marie, I decided to stop reading.

Peace sister Marie, all,

We should only count 12 even in the years where there are 13. Hence, we should simply not count the 13th moon. The difference between absolute number ("3adad&quot and count ("3idat&quot was explained in more details in the article. Please go over those details again and let me know if there is anything that specifically requires more clarification.

I'm not Code19 believer but in math there is no subjectivity or grey area. 1 + 1 is 2. What a nonsense.

Bigmo

Here is my answer. From, Quran a Reformist Translation, note on verse 937

009037 Today's Sunni and Shiite mushriks consider Rajab, Zul-Qada, Zul-Hijja, and Muharram to be the Restricted Months (the 7th, 11th, 12th, and 1st months of lunar calendar). However, when we study 2197,217; 92,5,36 and the names of known months, we will discover that real Restricted Months must be four consecutive months and they are Zul-Hijja, Muharram, Safar, Rabi ul-Awal (12th, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd months). The very name of the 12th month, Zul-Hijja (Contains Haj), gives us a clue that it is the first month of haj pilgrimage. When we start from the 12th month, the last of the Restricted Months becomes the 3rd month, Rabi ul-Awal (First Fourth), and the very name of this month also is revealing; it suggests that it is the fourth month of the Restricted Months. Then, why the qualification "First"? Well, the name of the following month provides an explanation Rabi ul-Akhir (Second Fourth), which is the fourth month from the beginning of the year. In other words we have two months called "Fourth," the first one referring to the fourth restricted moth, with the second fourth referring to the fourth month of the lunar year. The word rabi (fourth) is used for seasons because each season is one fourth of a year. It is interesting that many of the crimes and distortions mentioned in the Quran have been committed by those who have abandoned the Quran for the sake of hadith and sunna; they repeated the same blunder of their polytheist ancestors.

The problem here is that you started with the term "mushriks" when describing Sunnis and Shias. The Quran however recognizes that Sunnis and Shias are monotheist and I am not sure where is your evidence from the Koran that Sunnism and Shiasm are shirk religions.

This means your definition of shirk is radically different than that of the Koran and so how can you translate the Koran then?

Asana

Peace Ayman

No. The root is not ARB'A (4). The root is RB'A, which doesn't mean the number 4.

Thanks for the reply?Of course the root word is ?ra ba ayn? and the statement is saying that its root is from the word of Arba?a which means 4 and it is correct BUT one letter made it sounds incorrect !!It depends on how one would like to read the statement and wants to hear what it meant!!

This is the problem with you Ayman ,you read and hear what you?d like to hear not what the truth is?Lexicon dictionary has extensive explanation of the root word and its derivative especially about Rabi ?You only stick to the spring meaning and left no explanation how on earth Arab would have/call two months as spring season !

You distorted the Sacred months and the Ramadan just because never put your Trust in God to be so Kind and Merciful leaving us some kind of mark and guidance for those who wish to be guided...

You don?t believe in a Merciful God Who is asking us to fast and perform the Hajj helping the people have some kind of calendar to follow it?.

And a Merciful God to mark the beginning of the Hajj by letting the people name the first month of it as Zulhijjah/posseser of Hajj and then revealing it the Sacred months are consecutive months?.

And a Merciful God Who is revealing that the phases of the moon is for timing the Hajj, teaching us using the lunar calendar and proving that the people knew about the
Hajj and the calendar but testing His Messenger by beating around the bush ?.

And a Merciful God Who is telling us in 5640 ?? Many from the later generations? will go to Paradise reminding us their Quiblah , Hajj and fasting were accepted .

And a Merciful God Who doesn't make the religion complicated or difficult to follow it..

Do the Muslims? worlds know any Focal point other than the Kaaba? Do they know any sacred months other than at least Zulhijjah and Safar and Moharram? Do they know any month other than Ramadan for fasting according the calendar?

If there hasn?t been one believer for the last 1400 years on the right path then we all should put our hope and trust in people like you guiding us to the right direction not God, you who don?t even show your face to the public dear Ayman!!!

Ayman my Trust in God is so strong that I believe even if it is for the sake of one believer to be saved on this earth He would keep the sacred months, Ramadan and Quiblah as they are?.It all depends on how we know God and how much we trust Him...

Peace
Asana

tlihawa

I'm not Code19 believer but in math there is no subjectivity or grey area. 1 + 1 is 2. What a nonsense.

Salam A2Z,
I get confused same as you, until I realize something in 7430-31 could explain about the exact math. You should focus at the word used on those verses.

7429 A signal <lawwatun> to human beings.
7430 Upon it is nineteen.

7431 And We have made the guardians of the Fire to be angels; and We did not make their prescribed number (of time period) <iddatahum> except as a test for those who have rejected, so that those who were given the Book would understand, and those who have faith would be increased in faith, and so that those who have been given the Book and the believers do not have doubt, and so that those who have a sickness in their hearts and the rejecters would say "What did God mean with an example such as this?" It is such that God misguides whom He wishes, and He guides whom He wishes. And none know the soldiers of your Lord except He; and it is but a reminder for human beings.

Here, you should treat the word 'iddatahum' as cycle of time period. Please check the same word used in 2184, 2185, 3349, 651, and 654 to understand the context.

And the time period here is 19. The cycle of nineteen.

Please note that the believers and people of the book knew about it, and it is the sign to all human beings (7429). I would like to show you how this 19 cycle works regarding timing period. This calculation is taken from people of the book's calendar.

In the fourth century, Hillel II established a fixed calendar based on mathematical and astronomical calculations. This calendar, still in use, standardized the length of months and the addition of months over the course of a 19 year cycle, so that the lunar calendar realigns with the solar years. Adar I is added in the 3rd, 6th, 8th, 11th, 14th, 17th and 19th years of the cycle. The current cycle began in Jewish year 5758 (the year that began October 2, 1997). If you are musically inclined, you may find it helpful to remember this pattern of leap years by reference to the major scale for each whole step there are two regular years and a leap year; for each half-step there is one regular year and a leap year. This is easier to understand when you examine the keyboard illustration below and see how it relates to the leap years above.

http//www.jewfaq.org/graphics/keyboard.gif

from http//www.jewfaq.org/calendar.htm

The Jewish calendar is based on three astronomical phenomena the rotation of the Earth about its axis (a day); the revolution of the moon about the Earth (a month); and the revolution of the Earth about the sun (a year). These three phenomena are independent of each other, so there is no direct correlation between them. On average, the moon revolves around the Earth in about 29? days. The Earth revolves around the sun in about 365? days, that is, about 12.4 lunar months.

This calendar matches with the Al Quran requirements regarding year count

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Revolution the earth about the sun and revolution the moon about the earth.

105 He is the One who has made the sun a radiance, and the moon a light, and He has measured its phases; that you may know the number of the years and the count. God has not created this except with the truth. He clarifies the revelations for a people who know.

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And the rotation of the Earth about its axis (a day) as well

1712And We made the night and the day as two signs, so We erased the sign of night and We made the sign of day to see-in, that you may seek bounty from your Lord, and that you may know the number of the years and the count. And everything We have detailed completely.

By knowing this, I have no doubt that 12-13 month issue is just a test for us. The Luni Solar year will be synchronized automatically every 19 years, and it well documented in the book. Verse 936 is just to confirm that the year is based on 12-month cycle, but we need to consider the 7431 to get the big picture.

And what about intercalary month in 937?

It seems that the Rejecter didn't count the 13th month (if any) as part of the restricted months.

peace..

Edip_Yuksel

Ayman's article?
No. Something else?

Peace,
Edip

mmkhan

105 He is the One who has made the sun a radiance, and the moon a light, and He has measured its phases; that you may know the number of the years and the count. God has not created this except with the truth. He clarifies the revelations for a people who know.

Salaam tlihawa,

You missed it bro "its phases" referring to only moon not both. I pointed out just to help you understand better, inshaAllah.

May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhan

tlihawa

Salaam tlihawa,

You missed it bro "its phases" referring to only moon not both. I pointed out just to help you understand better, inshaAllah.

May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhan

Salam mmkhan,
Sure, 'its phases' referring to only moon. The verse talked about counting the years and it mentioned both sun and moon. So I think both of them is used as parameter, in other words, it refers to luni-solar year.

But thanks anyway to remind me.

peace..

mmkhan

Salam mmkhan,
Sure, 'its phases' referring to only moon. The verse talked about counting the years and it mentioned both sun and moon. So I think both of them is used as parameter, in other words, it refers to luni-solar year.

But thanks anyway to remind me.

peace..

Salaam brother tlihawa,

Yes, I agree with you handshake. Just now I checked the aayat's text and found you correct that it is referring to luni-solar years.

105

The tashdeed on two waw explained that they are interlinked.

May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhan

tlihawa

Salamun alaykum,
one thing crossing in my mind, that 4 sacred month no longer exist after the year when the Believers had made covenant with the Rejecters. Some of the rules in Al Quran has been made based on the situation in Rasulullah Muhammad time. And this rule could not be applied anymore along with the death of Rasulullah.

For example this rule

459 O you who believe, obey God and obey the messenger and those in authority <ulil amri> among you. But if you dispute in any matter, then you shall refer it to God and His messenger if you believe in God and the Last Day. That is better and more suitable for knowing.

Since the messenger no longer with us, we could ask, who the authority among us? and what the things fall to dispute?

The answer is in 483

483 And if any matter regarding security, or fear, (during the war) comes to them they make it publicly known, but if they had referred it to the messenger and to authority <ulil amri> among them then it would have been known by those who studied it from them. And had it not been for the grace of God upon you and His mercy, you would have followed the devil, except for a few.

So the matter was about security and fear during the war in Muhammad time. And the authority among them were those who studied the matter (also known as intelligence).

How do we fall into dispute about the thing which had been done centuries ago, and the people whose had the authority to investigate it had died?

So this verse, 459, contain the rule which only applicable at the Muhammad time, and no longer applicable in our time nowadays.

Now, what about the 4 sacred months?

As you can see that the four sacred months has been declared based on the Allah and Rasul revocation in this verse

91 A revocation is made by God and His messenger to those with whom you have made a covenant from among the polytheists.
92 "Therefore, roam the land for four months and know that you will not escape God, and that God will humiliate the rejecters."

The four sacred months here means to make a truce with the Rejecters, and its duration is 4 months. That's why the months are called "ashurul hurumu" or the months to refrain from a thing, and the thing here is war.

Ha-Ra-Miim = refrain from a thing

Also you could consider these following verses

97 How can the polytheists have a covenant with God and with His messenger? Except for those with whom you made a covenant near the Masjidil Harami, as long as they are upright with you, then you are upright with them. God loves the righteous.

The covenant made near the Masjidil Haram.

928 O you who believe, the polytheists are impure, so let them not approach the Masjidil Haram after this year of theirs; and if you fear poverty, then God will enrich you from His blessings if He wills. God is Knowledgeable, Wise.

So the place that Believers made covenant with the Rejecters is near the Masjidil Haram, and 928 confirming that there's no other way for the Rejecters to approach the Masjidil Haram after theirs year (the year when the covenant had made). It means that there is no more covenant will be made after that. And it means the Sacred months to make a truce no longer needed.

So I think, the sacred months, must be treated the same way just like a rule in 459 which is no longer applicable nowadays.

But even so, I believe that there is a moral behind the stories to strengthen our heart, but not to argue what month does the sacred months, cause it really depend on when the covenant being made.

And regarding 936, I encourage you to read and put this verse into the context of Surah at-taubah.

Surah at-Taubah is unique, it's a kind of live report during the war. To inform Rasulullah about the war, and its preparation, the strategy, the covenant, and to inform the betrayer among the believers, confirming God's help, inform the weakness of Believers, intelligence, etc.

Yes, this war is so important.

Any thoughts?

peace

Bender