Significance of alef in بِاسمِ
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If really want to taste the eternal and unending mercy of "One who is not at all deity for worship". Please look up under root Ba-Siin-Miim and Alif-Siin-Miim (Siin-Miim-Waw/Ya), in lane and you shall have your answer.
Regards,
Badar
Salam Badar, Wiil you please elaborate the answer by your own words?
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SAbboushi, thanks for bringing this up. I looked at it a long time ago and could not untangle preconceived understanding enough. You are correct so much to learn and so little time.
is the noun from same root.
is a noun from root Alif-Siin-Miim or Siin-Miim-Waw. There is preposition Ba pre fixed to it.
Now let me correct my own understanding of first two verses of Quran and convey the concepts in simple English without adhering literally to original language
Surah 11
In order to taste the eternal and everlasting mercy of One who is not at all a deity for worship.
Surah 12
The praise, is not at all a deity for worship, rather is the Rabb (sustainer, maintainer, fosterer and accomplisher) of all the disciplines of knowledge.
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Now let me correct my own understanding of first two verses of Quran and convey the concepts in simple English without adhering literally to original language
John Dryden in seventeenth century identified three types of translation
Metaphrase involving "word by word" and "line by line" translation
Paraphrase involving "sense for sense" translation
Imitation involving variance from words and sense by abandoning the text of the original as the translator sees fit. Translation Theoryp/url]
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Now let me correct my own understanding of first two verses of Quran and convey the concepts in simple English without adhering literally to original language
Surah 11
In order to taste the eternal and everlasting mercy of One who is not at all a deity for worship.
Surah 12
The praise, is not at all a deity for worship, rather is the Rabb (sustainer, maintainer, fosterer and accomplisher) of all the disciplines of knowledge.
Let me clarify my above comment. So no one tries to misconstrue these, the word meanings used is as literal as it can get. In translation of lost language of Quran. The problem is always with syntax, for it to flow in English one can not adhere to order in Quran. Otherwise, this translation is an open challenge to anyone to prove a single word meaning as wrong.
Regards,
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Thanks everyone for your posts.
Badar - could you please clarify your understanding of what your translation means -- is it your understanding that the Rabb is not a deity? Or maybe that The Rabb is a deity, but not one who should be worshipped ("One who is not at all a deity for worship"?
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Samir
All deities are for worship. Deity = God. All religions have deity or deities or God for worship. This concept is fundamental to almost all religions except one or may be two religions.
Quran denies this concept of Deity or God. Thereby nullifies all religions including current religion Islam. As it revolves around word Allah's meaning changed into one and only deity for worship.
However, the entity behind this universe is recognized as Rabb. Thereby Quran also denies atheistic concept of no entity at all.
Regards,
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Surah 12
The praise, is not at all a deity for worship, rather is the Rabb (sustainer, maintainer, fosterer and accomplisher) of all the disciplines of knowledge.
The praise is not deity; The praise is the Rabb of all the disiplines of knowledge. Would someone please help me get some sense from his translation?
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Isn't Religion Islam based upon fundamental principle of Allah, praised as one and only deity for worship?
Here this is actually denied that the praise for Rabb is not at all as a deity for worship. Therefore, no worship of any kind. Hence, no religion of any kind.
rather it is, Rabb of all disiplines of Knowledge.
These two verses 11 & 12 are giving a tremendous message.
- Nullifying all religions.
- Calling upon everyone that if you really want to taste his eternal and everlasting mercy, praise him by knowing/learning all disciplines of knowledge, that he is Rabb.
Which religion gives this message?
Regards
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Peace bkanwar2,
You indeed make a good point about the praise for Rabb is not at all being a deity for worship. Actually the word Ibada does not mean worship at all. The arabic word Ibada means service. Hence in quran-based islam a muslim man/woman is a servant of God. In quran-based islam a muslim man/woman is not a worshipper of God. People are free to worship God if they want. There are no verses in the Quran that forbids worshipping God. But at the same time, there are no verses in the Quran that promotes this concept either. Because the word worship is not quranic. The concept of worship exists in traditional islam (shia and sunni religions) and also in christianity and judaism. But the concept of worship does not exist in the Quran. This is a fact.
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Peace,
Traditional kind of "worship" no, but the word itself implies a great show of respect to someone you regard highly. I worship my Master and that I do by serving devoutly. You can also say that the word glorify can count as equal to worship though. Worship your Master day and night, or with modern terms, 24/7.
Abada does not mean worship, but there are other words that imply this meaning instead. But then again it comes down to what one regards as worship of the God. Pagan rituals by people who think God will hear them due to their many words and strict physical movement or the one who keeps God with him/her at all times.
To me, worship is adhering to all that the decree of God teaches, and the command and to regard The Master highly.
Have faith
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bkanwar2 and Taro - it would be helpful for me if you could both define what you mean by the word "worship"
SAbboushi,
I recommend doing an internet search. There are many good articles about the concept of "worship" on the internet.
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Thanks - let me clarify I am not seeking help in figuring out what I mean when I use the word "worship"; I am asking you what YOU meant when you used the word.
You made several claims about the word "worship" and I am asking you what YOU meant when you used the word. Same for bkanwar2
Actually the word Ibada does not mean worship at all... In quran-based islam a muslim man/woman is not a worshipper of God. People are free to worship God if they want. There are no verses in the Quran that forbids worshipping God... Because the word worship is not quranic. The concept of worship exists in traditional islam (shia and sunni religions) and also in christianity and judaism. But the concept of worship does not exist in the Quran. This is a fact.
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Isn't Religion Islam based upon fundamental principle of Allah, praised as one and only deity for worship?
Here this is actually denied that the praise for Rabb is not at all as a deity for worship. Therefore, no worship of any kind. Hence, no religion of any kind.
rather it is, Rabb of all disiplines of Knowledge.
These two verses 11 & 12 are giving a tremendous message.
- Nullifying all religions.
- Calling upon everyone that if you really want to taste his eternal and everlasting mercy, praise him by knowing/learning all disciplines of knowledge, that he is Rabb.
Which religion gives this message?
Regards
Salaam,
RED I think one of the mistakes you make, is to take the definitions and principles arabs gave to the word Allah and implemented it in your translations.
Salaam,
Bender -
Isn't Religion Islam based upon fundamental principle of Allah, praised as one and only deity for worship?
Here this is actually denied that the praise for Rabb is not at all as a deity for worship. Therefore, no worship of any kind. Hence, no religion of any kind.
rather it is, Rabb of all disiplines of Knowledge.These two verses 11 & 12 are giving a tremendous message.
- Nullifying all religions.
- Calling upon everyone that if you really want to taste his eternal and everlasting mercy, praise him by knowing/learning all disciplines of knowledge, that he is Rabb.
Which religion gives this message?
Regards
Salamun Alaikum.
The above theological standpoint is interesting. But I am curious to know how brother bkanwar would translate / interpret the word "Millat" as in Millat-i-Ibrahim found in Al-Qur'an 2130?
May Allah guide us all to the straight route.
Regards,
Arman -
Thanks - let me clarify I am not seeking help in figuring out what I mean when I use the word "worship"; I am asking you what YOU meant when you used the word.
You made several claims about the word "worship" and I am asking you what YOU meant when you used the word. Same for bkanwar2
Let me tell you what I mean by Worship. Worship consists of several acts of worship.
A man/woman does acts of worship that he/she thinks will please God and give him/her rewards in afterlife. These acts do not benefit humanity. The man/woman believes that these acts will please God, they do not please God. There is a difference between believing in something (with no evidence to support it) and knowing something (based on evidence/proof that supports one's view). The man/woman who believes that acts of worship will please God and give him/her rewards in the afterlife has no evidence to support his/her belief. Acts of worship will not bring a man/woman closer to God and will not give him/her rewards in the afterlife (see verse 3437 in the Quran).
Acts of worship do not benefit the human race.
Here are some examples of acts of worship
- Reciting the Quran in a language you don't understand.
- Circulating around a black cube in Mecca.
- Practicing Ritual prayer 3-5 times a day.
- Going to the Mosque on fridays.
- Fasting 30 days in Ramadan.
- Praying towards Mecca.
- Performing funeral prayers.
8 ) Washing the dead.
Acts of worship will not do the the following
- Stop corruption.
- Create social reforms.
- Reduce poverty.
- Reduce crime.
- Contribute to peace, justice and equality.
- Bring humanity forward (when it comes to education, human rights and science).
- Develop our personalities/souls so that we become more kind, compassionate and helpful.
On the other hand, acts of service is related to all the above mentioned things. And acts of service will bring a man/woman closer to God and give/him her rewards in the afterlife (see verse 3437 in the Quran).
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Peace,
That is Pagan worship. Worship is not a negative word when something is worshiped the right way.
It is true that worship will directly help anything in the world, but the adoration and love for God will bring us nearer to The Master. And for worship rituals are not the substance of it but what is in your heart.
The word glorify can be considered nearly synonymous with the word worship by the way, so if you are allergic to the word worship then go to another word that pleases you better. But worship is a logical phenomenon.
If you defend God in word against people who are ignorant and are reverent of your Master then you worship God. You do the will of your heavenly Creator. But crimes and atrocities practiced in the name of God against the law of God is not worship but false worship.
Have faith
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The Concept of Ibadah from Quran
December 2, 2012 by Quran- What is the importance of Understanding the word ?Ibadah??
Our creator has explained the purpose of our creation in these words,
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Wama khalaqtu aljinna waal-insa illa liyaAAbudooni
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And I did not create the jinn and ins except for serving Me.
The word ibadah is mostly translated as worship. According to the majority of Muslims, the concept of ibadah is limited to few ritual acts of worships.If ?ibadah? is limited to few rituals, that requires a relatively short period of time compared with the whole life of human being. Then, what about the rest of human life time?!!
Prophet Noah (759), Hud (765), ), Salih (773), Shu?ayb (785) and the other prophets also gave the message of Ibadah to their people.
- Wama arsalna min qablika min rasoolin illa noohee ilayhi annahu la ilaha illa ana faoAAbudooni
2125 And We did not send any messenger before you except that We inspired him that ?There is no god except Me, so serve Me.? (Fa abadoon)
- Inna hathihi ommatukum ommatan wahidatan waana rabbukum faoAAbudooni
2192 This is your nation, one nation, and I am your Lord so serve Me. (Fa abadoon)
- In kullu man fee alssamawati waal-ardi illa atee alrrahmani AAabdan
1993 There is none in the heavens and the earth but comes to Ar-rehman as a servant/?abd
From the above verses we can imagine the importance of Ibadah.
Ibadah is the purpose for which Allah has created us. However this word is mostly mistranslated as worship. Therefore the purpose of this article is to understand the meaning of ibadah.
- What is meant by Ibadah?
The word ?Ibadah is an Arabic word. It is derived from the root word ?abd, which means a servant/ slave/obedient.
Bani Israel and the Concept of Ibadah
- Thumma arsalna moosa waakhahu haroona bi-ayatina wasultanin mubeenin2346. Ila firAAawna wamala-ihi faistakbaroo wakanoo qawman AAaleena2347. Faqaloo anu/minu libasharayni mithlina waqawmuhuma lana AAabidoona
2345-47 Then We sent Musa and his brother Haroon, with Our signs and manifest authority, towards Firaun and his chiefs, so they behaved arrogantly, and they were haughty people. So they said ?Should we believe two mere humans like ourselves, while their people are servants to us?
In the above verses Firaun and his chiefs call Bani Israeel their servants/aabidoon (plural of abd; the one who gives ibadah).
During the debate between Musa and Phroah, Musa said;
- Watilka niAAmatun tamunnuha AAalayya an AAabbadta banee isra-eela
2622 ?And is it a favour that you taunt me with, so you could continue to enslave (abadat) the Children of Israel??
Did the Bani Israel consider Pharoah as their Ilah or worshipped him?
People of Bani Israel were not worshiping Pharoah, even then the word ibadah is used in the above verse . They never considered Firaun as their ilah or rabb. They only regarded Allah as their rabb and ilah
- Faqaloo AAala Allahi tawakkalna rabbana la tajAAalna fitnatan lilqawmi alththalimeena
1085 So they(children of Isra?eel) said, ?in Allah we put our trust; our rabb, do not make us a temptation for the oppressing people;
- ? qala amantu annahu la ilaha illa allathee amanat bihi banoo isra-eela waana mina almuslimeena
1090 ? he(Firaun) said, ?I believe that there is no ilah but He in whom the children of Israel believe, and I am of Muslimeen.
So even though Bani Israel considered only Allah as their rabb and ilah, they were made to give their ibadah to Firaun i.e. Firaun was their ma?bood.
From the above two verses it is evident that the word ibadah means obedience, Service, subservience, and NOT worship or paying homage to any deity
Shaitan and the Concept of Ibadah
Allah says in Quran verse 3660
- Alam aAAhad ilaykum ya banee adama an la taAAbudoo alshshaytana innahu lakum AAaduwwun mubeenun
3660 ?Did I not pledge to you, O Children of Adam, that you should not serve the Shaitan for he is your most ardent enemy??
Here ibadah cannot means, ritual mode of worship. Since no one does the ibadah of Shaitan the way we understand the term ibadah.
- What is Ibadah of Shaitan?
In order to understand Ibadah of Shaitan, we should know how Shaitan misleads people from straight path.
- Qala rabbi bima aghwaytanee laozayyinanna lahum fee al-ardi walaoghwiyannahum ajmaAAeena1540. Illa AAibadaka minhumu almukhlaseena1541. Qala hatha siratun AAalayya mustaqeemun
1539 He (Shiataan) said My Lord! Because You have sent me astray, I will certainly adorn the path of error for them in the earth, and shall mislead them collectively
1540 Except for those among Your ibaad/servants who are mukhliseen/exclusive(to You).
1541 He(Allah) said This(mukhlis/exclusive ibadah) is the siraat-e-mustaqeem/straight path upon Me.
The above verse refers to ?mukhlis/exclusive ibadah? as the siraat-e-mustaqeem/straight path (leading towards Allah)
- What is straight path (sirat e mustaqeem)?
In Quran, verse 6150 to 6152, Allah has explained the straight path, that includes the following;
- Do not set up anything with Him
- Do good to your parents
- Do not fight with your children for fear of poverty nor deprive them of proper training and education
- Do not come near lewdness whether openly or in secret
- Do not slay a life ? life that God has made sacred ? except in the course of justice
- Do not approach the wealth of the orphan except to improve it until they come of age with full maturity of body and mind
- Give full weight and full measure in all your dealings. Uphold justice in all aspects of your life.
- And when you voice an opinion, be just, even if it is against a relative.
Fulfil your Covenant with God, the unwavering allegiance to the Divine System (14-5, 9111)
After giving the above nine commandments, Allah says in verse 6153, ?this is my straight path. Follow it, then, and follow not other ways that take you away from His path?
Therefore all aspects of our lives which are devoid of Allah?s ibadah, (Sirat e Mustaqeem mentioned in verse 6150 to 6153) are filled by the ibadah of Shaitaan.
Source
http//quranonly.wordpress.com/2012/12/02/the-concept-of-ibadah-from-quran/
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That is Pagan worship. Worship is not a negative word when something is worshiped the right way.
Peace MofF,
I agree with you about worship not being a negative word. Worship is not a negative word. But that was not my point. My point was the following "worship is not a quranic concept". Worship is not a quranic concept because no Arabic word in the Quran can be translated as worship. The word Ibadah in the Quran means service when it is translated from Arabic to English. If we translate the word Ibadah to mean worship, then this will create disrepancies/contradictions between different verses in the Quran. I don't know about you, but I prefer to call a spade a spade"
In my last post I shared an article with the title "Concept of Ibadah in the Quran." Have you read the article? If you haven't read it I strongly recommend reading it. The article is a falsehood-destroyer. The claim that Ibadah means worship has no basis in reality. This claim only has basis in falsehood. And the article I shared in my last post disproves this claim once and for all.