Freemasons?

Magnus

if the "system", ANY system, has no real effect in dealing with this disease of the human heart, what then?

Then we'd all be suckers.

I feel pretty confident myself that the "system" is indeed the only cure for what ails me, so I'll persevere in striving to live it hoping that some day I might.

noble

So if you don't mind me asking, what do you think Islam is? If it is precisely defined in the Qur'an, why the hell can no one agree on anything? And more than that, we (myself definitely included) have very little class in dealing with those who disagree? I'm not just talking about here, but also among Sunni, Shi'a, Christian, etc? And if the "system", ANY system, has no real effect in dealing with this disease of the human heart, what then?

-Joel

The info, and creation is out there...

and the test "... do believers think that it will be enough for them to say I believe and be among the rank of Believers, and not be tested for their Belief... We indeed did test hard many among Prophets and Messengers, until they said with those among them - when is Allah's succour coming? And behold, Surely Allah's relief is nigh..." AQ - my recall...

They are refusing to be tested, and so stagnate at their lower levels of understanding, and prospects...

This life is just a transition, and preparation, however long and attractive it seems... we only choose to focus on one aspect of it, the apparent, but stay oblivious to the end "game" and only God is privy to what it ultimately is...

In His Mercy he sent Messengers and Books to give us a clue... but the Devils are hard working at perverting what we can learn and grow from...

So the Word of God will come true that Hell will be the final repose of the vast majority of Humans and Jinns...

Now if you are unhappy with any of that, take your grievance with the Creator, He made you and me...

MaverickMonotheist

They are refusing to be tested, and so stagnate at their lower levels of understanding, and prospects...

Now if you are unhappy with any of that, take your grievance with the Creator, He made you and me...

Best comment I've heard in a while. Seriously. Perhaps not finding an answer to my grievances is my test, to see whether I will endure or just give up in the face of not getting any answers.

At any rate, thanks for your answer.

noble

You are welcome, MM...

I guess faith is also about accepting the limitations of our predicament on Earth... unlike religion which seeks to give answers and structure to everything...

sometimes my thoughts are why do we cling to things if we are aware that we will not keep them with us when we move on?

the Egyptian Rulers used to have their precious belongings buried with them -
we are all insecure - accepting this and declaring it is a significant advancement in wisdom...
and Allah says ... My commandments are a protection to the Faithful, for Mankind has been made weak...

Jafar

I guess faith is also about accepting the limitations of our predicament on Earth... unlike religion which seeks to give answers and structure to everything...

Correct...

All souls at the beginning are muslims.. all babies are muslims...
They know nothing of religions
They never heard of Allah, YHVH, God, Bog, Brahman..
They don't understand any language.. let alone read the Quran or Bible..
They know nothing except their Rabb..
They're all muslims..

"Let the children come to me. Don't stop them! For the Kingdom of Heaven belongs to those who are like these children."
-- Matt 1914

sometimes my thoughts are why do we cling to things if we are aware that we will not keep them with us when we move on?

the Egyptian Rulers used to have their precious belongings buried with them -
we are all insecure - accepting this and declaring it is a significant advancement in wisdom...

"The fear of a loss is a path to the dark side"
-- Master Yoda

and Allah says ... My commandments are a protection to the Faithful, for Mankind has been made weak...

See above...

Salam / Peace