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    lordfox
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    Very interesting! Thank you.

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      NOMAD
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      Slaamm

      Well maybe you will not understand many of these words but they are all from Arab/berber/MORish origin in the Portuguese Language still in use today and ive been searching around and i would say we got more than 3000 words From arab/berber or words they brought from orient to us.
      YEs we are from Europe but our lifestyle is more like North Africa. sun

      • A?afate (assafat, cesta)
      • A?afr?o (azzafaran, amarelo)
      • Ac?quia (assekyah, ribeiro de rega)
      • Achaque (ashshaka, enfermidade)
      • Acicate (ashshukat, espinho)
      • A?oite (assaut)
      • A?orda (athurda, sopa de p?o)
      • A?oteia (assutaiha)
      • A?ougue (assuk)
      • A?ucena (assusana)
      • A?ude (assudd)
      • A??car (assukar deriva do S?nscrito ?arkara, gr?os de areia)
      • Adarga (addarka, escudo)
      • Aduana (addwana)
      • Al? (al + il?h, divindade)
      • Alab?o (allabban, que d? muito leite)
      • Alambique
      • Alarife (alarif, s?bio, mestre de obras)
      • Alarve (al+ A'?rab, os ?rabes bedu?nos)
      • Alaz?o al-Hi??n Cavalo
      • Albarda (albarda'a)
      • Albardar (albarda'a)
      • Albornoz (Al'burnus, capa usada pelos Berberes)
      • Alc??ova (alkasaba, a zona administrativa de um castelo)
      • Alcachofra (Alkharshof, fruto do cardo manso)
      • Alcaide (alkaid, chefe)
      • Alcaidaria (alkaid, chefe)
      • Alcaiote (alkawwad)
      • Alcal?ide (palavra composta ?rab. alcali + Grego e?dos, forma)
      • Alcaravia (alkarawiya)
      • Alcaraviz (alkarab?s)
      • Alcateia (alkataia, rebanho)
      • Alcatifa (alkatifa)
      • Alcatruz (alkadus palavra composta ?rab. al + Grego k?dos, jarro para ?gua ou vinho)
      • Alcavala (alkabala, tributo)
      • Alcofa (alkuffa, cesto)
      • ?lcool (alkohul, coisa subtil)
      • Alcor?o (Alkuran, a leitura)
      • Alcova (al-qabu, quarto lateral)
      • Alecrim (aliklil)
      • Aletria (Axxa'riyaalitr?ya)
      • Alface al-kha? (veio a substituir o latim lactuca, leitosa, leitu?a, leituga, que por sua vez, derivou o fr. Laitue, o esp. Lechuga , o it. Lattuga e o ing. Lettuce)
      • Alfafa al-H?fa
      • Alfaia
      • Alfaiate al-khayy?t
      • Alf?ndega alfunduq
      • Alfanje al-Hanx serpente
      • Alfaraz al-faras cavalo ou ?gua
      • Alfarela
      • Alfarr?bio
      • Alfarrabista do nome do fil?sofo mu?ulmano al-F?r?b? que possuia e leia muitos livros.
      • Alfarrobaal-Kharrub. fruto e ?rvore
      • Alfarrobeira
      • Alfavaca al-hab?qa vaso onde se semeia a planta de al-habaq i.?. erva cedreira ? (n?o ? erva cidreira, al-habaq ? manjeric?o)
      • Alfazemaal-khuz?ma
      • Alfeire
      • Alferes (alfaris, cavaleiro)
      • Alfobre (alhufra, rego?)
      • Alforge (alhurj, sacola)
      • Alforria (palavra composta?rab.al + Franc?s feurre, livre) seria simplesmente a palavra ?rabe al-hurriya (a liberdade da qual temos forro hurr libre)
      • Algarismo (alkawarizmi, nome do matem?tico ?rabe Abu Ibn Mu?a)
      • ?lgebra
      • Algema (aljami'a, pulseira)
      • Algeroz (azzurub ???, canal)al-kharruj, aquele que faz sair
      • Algibeira (al-jab?ra, bolso)
      • Algod?o (alkutun)
      • Algodoeiro
      • Algoritmo
      • Alguidar (alqidr, escudela de barro)
      • Algoz (al-gozz, membro de uma tribo que recrutava carrascos)
      • Alicate (allikk?t, tenaz)
      • Aljama (aljamaa, reuni?o)
      • Aljava (aljaba)
      • Almadrava (almadraba)
      • Almanaque (almanakh)
      • Almedina (almedina, a cidade)
      • Alm?adaos almohadas dinastia maghrebina que governou ente 1145 e 1260 o Maghreb e o al-Andalus
      • Almocreve (almukari,alugar bestas)
      • Almofada (almukhadda de khadd, face)
      • Almofariz
      • Almofate (almikhyat, agulha, sovela)
      • Almofre
      • Almog?var (almugauar, guerreiro)
      • Alm?ndega (albundeca, avel??) tipo de papa preparada a base de cereais que se comia misturada com gordura (azeite ou manteiga)
      • Almor?vida (almurabit)
      • Almotac? (almuhtasib, mestre de aferi??o)
      • Almotolia (almutli)
      • Almoxarifado
      • Almoxarife
      • Almude unidade de peso
      • Alqueireal-keil unidade de peso para cereais
      • Alqueive
      • Alvanel
      • Alvar? al-bar?'a carta de autoriza??o
      • Alvazil al-waz?r ministro
      • Alveitar ?vetener?rio ou
      • Alvitana
      • Alv?ssaras
      • Alvorge
      • Armaz?m al-Makhzan
      • Arr?tel ritl unidade de peso
      • Arroba unidade de peso
      • Arrozarruzz
      • Arsenal tars?na
      • Atafal
      • Atafona moinho
      • Atalaia attal?'a torre de vigia localizada, fora das localidades, num s?tio alto.
      • Auge Auj'(o topo; ?ptimo)
      • Azar azzahr (sorte)
      • Azeite (substitui ?leo, ?leo de oliva)
      • Azeitona (substitui o latim oliva)
      • Azemelquem aluga os animais de carga
      • Az?mola animal de carga
      • Azimute assimt (? a marca??o em graus da posi??o de um astro no horizonte, medido do polo ao equador )
      • Azenha moinho de roda movido por ?gua
      • Azinhaga
      • Azulal-lzaward (empr?stimo ?rabe do persa ljward, lat. lapis lazuli, a pedra lazurita)
      • Azulejoal-zuleij (pedra pintada)

      B

      • Bafaf? bafaf (bolo)
      • Bara?o
      • Bolota

      C

      • Caf?]]
      • C?fila
      • Califa
      • Califado
      • Cartaz
      • Ceifa
      • Ceroulas (sarawil)
      • Chafariz
      • Cherne
      • Chifra
      • Cifra
      • Cotovia (al-kutubia, a livraria)

      D

      • Damasco

      E

      • Elixir('Al-Axir&#039
      • Emir ('Amir&#039
      • Emirato (Emirado)
      • Escabeche ('Sikbaj&#039
      • Esmeralda (zum?rrud)

      F

      • Falua (faluka)
      • Fat?mida
      • Fulano (Flan)

      G

      • Garrafa (karaf?, frasco bojudo)

      H

      • Har?m ('Harim&#039
      • Haxixe ('Hashish';maconha)

      I

      • Im? (imam, guia)
      • Isl?o (Isl?, Islame)

      J

      • Javali (jabali)

      L

      • Laranja (naranj deriva do Persa nar?ng)
      • Laranjeira (naranj deriva do Persa nar?ng)
      • Lez?ria (al-jaza'ir, ilhas)
      • Lim?o (laimun deriva do Persa limun)
      • Limoeiro (laimun deriva do Persa limun)

      M

      • Madra?al (madra?a, escola)
      • Magazine
      • Marabuto Mur?bit santo que se dedica ao rib?t i.? ? guerra santa ou ? vida religiosa dentro de um rib?t (local de medita??o religiosa ou de fronteira para proteger as terras do Isl?o)
      • Masmorra (matmura, celeiro subterr?neo)
      • Matraca (mitraka)
      • Mesquita (masdjid)
      • Mo??rabe (must'rib, arabizado)
      • Mud?jar (mudajjan, o que fica morando)
      • Muezim Muazzin respons?vel pelos chamamentos ?s ora??es can?nicas.
      • Maom? (original Muhammad. Tamb?m Maomet. Outrora Maomede, Mafoma, Mafamede)
      • Muladi muallad crist?o da Pen?nsula ib?rica convertido ao Isl?o (malado)

      N

      • Nadir (natir, oposto, proje??o na esfera celeste inferior)
      • Nora (na'?ra)

      O

      • Om?ada
      • Oxal? (in sha allah ou inshallah, se Deus quiser)

      P

      • Papagaio (babaga)

      R

      • Ramad?o
      • R?s
      • Resma

      S

      • S?faro (sahra', deserto)
      • Safra (safaria, esta??o da colheita)
      • Salamaleque (as-salam-alaik, a paz seja contigo)
      • Saloio (?ahroi, do campo)
      • Sultanato (sultan, dom?nio, dominador)
      • Sult?o (sultan, dom?nio, dominador)
      • Sura

      T

      • Tambor (tanbur deriva do Persa d?nb?ra, c?tara)

      X

      • Xadrez (xatranj deriva do S?nscrito xaturanga, que consta de quatro membros)
      • Xarope (sharab, bebida, po??o)
      • Xaveco (xabbak, pequeno navio de tr?s mastros e velas latinas)
      • Xerife
      • Xeque
      • Xeque-mate

      Z

      • Zarabatana (zarba t?n?)
      • Z?nite (samt, direc??o da cabe?a, caminho, proje??o na esfera celeste)

      NAMES OF CITYES PLACES

      Top?nimos de origem ARab/Berber Albarraque (Albarrak, ou o brilhante), Albufeira (Albuhaira, ou a pequena barragem), Alc?cer (Alqassr, ou o castelo), Alc??ovas (Alqassba, ou a cidadela fortificada), Alcaidaria (a chefia), Alcaide (o chefe), Alcains (Alkanissa, ou a igreja), Alc?ntara (a ponte), Alcantarilha (diminutivo de Alc?ntara), Alcaria (a aldeia), Alcoba?a (Alkubasha, ou os carneiros), Alcochete (Alqucha, ou o forno), Alcoentre (Alqunaitara, ou a ponte pequena), Alfama (Alhammam, ou os banhos), Alfambras (Alhamra, ou a vermelha), Alfarim (Alfarish, ou corte de floresta, no sentido de industria madeireira), Alfarrobeira (Alharruba, o mesmo que em portugu?s), Alferce (a picareta), Algarve (Algharb, ou o Ocidente), Algeruz (o canal), Alg?s (Aljaich, ou o ex?rcito), Algueir?o (Aljairan, ou as grutas), Alhandra (Alhammam, ou os banhos), Aljezur (Aljazair, ou as ilhas), Almacave (Almaqabara, ou os cemit?rios), Almada (Almadin, ou a mina), Almansil (a estalagem), Almargem (Almarjan, ou o prado), Almedina (a cidade), Almo?ageme (Almassjid, ou a mesquita), Almod?var (Almudura, ou o cercado redondo), Alqueid?o (Alhaima, ou a tenda), Alvai?zere (Albaiaz, ou o falcoeiro), Alvalade (Albalad, ou o campo), Alverca (Albirka, ou o p?ntano), Alvor (Albir, ou o po?o), Alvorge (Alburj, ou a torre), Arr?bida (lugar de ora??o), Asseca (caminho recto e plano), Atalaia (lugar alto de onde se exerce vigil?ncia), Azambuja (o zambujeiro), Azeit?o (zona de produ??o de azeite), Az?ia (Azauia, ou lugar de ora??o), Bensafrim (Ben Safarin, ou lugar dos feiticeiros), Bobadela (Bu abdallah, ou filho do escravo de Deus), Boliqueime (Bu Alhakim, nome pr?prio), Cac?m (nome pr?prio, que significa aquele que testemunha), Cane?as (Kanissa, ou igreja), Cuba (pequena torre), Faro (Harun, nome pr?prio), F?tima (nome da filha do Profeta Muhammad), Loul? (Al?ulia, ou a alta), Mafamude (Mahmmud, nome do Profeta), Mafra (Mahfra, ou cova), Malhada (lugar de travessia de um rio), Marv?o (Marwan, nome pr?prio), Massam? (Maktam?, ou nascente de ?gua), Mesquita (Massjid, o mesmo que em portugu?s), Messejana (pris?o), Odemira (Ued Amira, ou rio da princesa), Palmela (Bismillah, ou em nome de Deus), Queluz (vale da amendoeira), Safara (Sahara, ou deserta), Salema (Salama, ou paz).

      Sorry if soemeone wnat transelations i can provide ,D just pm to me

      SALAAM TO ALL , nice topic indeed.. sun

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        cleanfox5982
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        Slaamm

        Well maybe you will not understand many of these words but they are all from Arab/berber/MORish origin in the Portuguese Language still in use today and ive been searching around and i would say we got more than 3000 words From arab/berber or words they brought from orient to us.
        YEs we are from Europe but our lifestyle is more like North Africa. sun

        • A?afate (assafat, cesta)
        • A?afr?o (azzafaran, amarelo)
        • Ac?quia (assekyah, ribeiro de rega)
        • Achaque (ashshaka, enfermidade)
        • Acicate (ashshukat, espinho)
        • A?oite (assaut)
        • A?orda (athurda, sopa de p?o)
        • A?oteia (assutaiha)
        • A?ougue (assuk)
        • A?ucena (assusana)
        • A?ude (assudd)
        • A??car (assukar deriva do S?nscrito ?arkara, gr?os de areia)
        • Adarga (addarka, escudo)
        • Aduana (addwana)
        • Al? (al + il?h, divindade)
        • Alab?o (allabban, que d? muito leite)
        • Alambique
        • Alarife (alarif, s?bio, mestre de obras)
        • Alarve (al+ A'?rab, os ?rabes bedu?nos)
        • Alaz?o al-Hi??n Cavalo
        • Albarda (albarda'a)
        • Albardar (albarda'a)
        • Albornoz (Al'burnus, capa usada pelos Berberes)
        • Alc??ova (alkasaba, a zona administrativa de um castelo)
        • Alcachofra (Alkharshof, fruto do cardo manso)
        • Alcaide (alkaid, chefe)
        • Alcaidaria (alkaid, chefe)
        • Alcaiote (alkawwad)
        • Alcal?ide (palavra composta ?rab. alcali + Grego e?dos, forma)
        • Alcaravia (alkarawiya)
        • Alcaraviz (alkarab?s)
        • Alcateia (alkataia, rebanho)
        • Alcatifa (alkatifa)
        • Alcatruz (alkadus palavra composta ?rab. al + Grego k?dos, jarro para ?gua ou vinho)
        • Alcavala (alkabala, tributo)
        • Alcofa (alkuffa, cesto)
        • ?lcool (alkohul, coisa subtil)
        • Alcor?o (Alkuran, a leitura)
        • Alcova (al-qabu, quarto lateral)
        • Alecrim (aliklil)
        • Aletria (Axxa'riyaalitr?ya)
        • Alface al-kha? (veio a substituir o latim lactuca, leitosa, leitu?a, leituga, que por sua vez, derivou o fr. Laitue, o esp. Lechuga , o it. Lattuga e o ing. Lettuce)
        • Alfafa al-H?fa
        • Alfaia
        • Alfaiate al-khayy?t
        • Alf?ndega alfunduq
        • Alfanje al-Hanx serpente
        • Alfaraz al-faras cavalo ou ?gua
        • Alfarela
        • Alfarr?bio
        • Alfarrabista do nome do fil?sofo mu?ulmano al-F?r?b? que possuia e leia muitos livros.
        • Alfarrobaal-Kharrub. fruto e ?rvore
        • Alfarrobeira
        • Alfavaca al-hab?qa vaso onde se semeia a planta de al-habaq i.?. erva cedreira ? (n?o ? erva cidreira, al-habaq ? manjeric?o)
        • Alfazemaal-khuz?ma
        • Alfeire
        • Alferes (alfaris, cavaleiro)
        • Alfobre (alhufra, rego?)
        • Alforge (alhurj, sacola)
        • Alforria (palavra composta?rab.al + Franc?s feurre, livre) seria simplesmente a palavra ?rabe al-hurriya (a liberdade da qual temos forro hurr libre)
        • Algarismo (alkawarizmi, nome do matem?tico ?rabe Abu Ibn Mu?a)
        • ?lgebra
        • Algema (aljami'a, pulseira)
        • Algeroz (azzurub ???, canal)al-kharruj, aquele que faz sair
        • Algibeira (al-jab?ra, bolso)
        • Algod?o (alkutun)
        • Algodoeiro
        • Algoritmo
        • Alguidar (alqidr, escudela de barro)
        • Algoz (al-gozz, membro de uma tribo que recrutava carrascos)
        • Alicate (allikk?t, tenaz)
        • Aljama (aljamaa, reuni?o)
        • Aljava (aljaba)
        • Almadrava (almadraba)
        • Almanaque (almanakh)
        • Almedina (almedina, a cidade)
        • Alm?adaos almohadas dinastia maghrebina que governou ente 1145 e 1260 o Maghreb e o al-Andalus
        • Almocreve (almukari,alugar bestas)
        • Almofada (almukhadda de khadd, face)
        • Almofariz
        • Almofate (almikhyat, agulha, sovela)
        • Almofre
        • Almog?var (almugauar, guerreiro)
        • Alm?ndega (albundeca, avel??) tipo de papa preparada a base de cereais que se comia misturada com gordura (azeite ou manteiga)
        • Almor?vida (almurabit)
        • Almotac? (almuhtasib, mestre de aferi??o)
        • Almotolia (almutli)
        • Almoxarifado
        • Almoxarife
        • Almude unidade de peso
        • Alqueireal-keil unidade de peso para cereais
        • Alqueive
        • Alvanel
        • Alvar? al-bar?'a carta de autoriza??o
        • Alvazil al-waz?r ministro
        • Alveitar ?vetener?rio ou
        • Alvitana
        • Alv?ssaras
        • Alvorge
        • Armaz?m al-Makhzan
        • Arr?tel ritl unidade de peso
        • Arroba unidade de peso
        • Arrozarruzz
        • Arsenal tars?na
        • Atafal
        • Atafona moinho
        • Atalaia attal?'a torre de vigia localizada, fora das localidades, num s?tio alto.
        • Auge Auj'(o topo; ?ptimo)
        • Azar azzahr (sorte)
        • Azeite (substitui ?leo, ?leo de oliva)
        • Azeitona (substitui o latim oliva)
        • Azemelquem aluga os animais de carga
        • Az?mola animal de carga
        • Azimute assimt (? a marca??o em graus da posi??o de um astro no horizonte, medido do polo ao equador )
        • Azenha moinho de roda movido por ?gua
        • Azinhaga
        • Azulal-lzaward (empr?stimo ?rabe do persa ljward, lat. lapis lazuli, a pedra lazurita)
        • Azulejoal-zuleij (pedra pintada)

        B

        • Bafaf? bafaf (bolo)
        • Bara?o
        • Bolota

        C

        • Caf?]]
        • C?fila
        • Califa
        • Califado
        • Cartaz
        • Ceifa
        • Ceroulas (sarawil)
        • Chafariz
        • Cherne
        • Chifra
        • Cifra
        • Cotovia (al-kutubia, a livraria)

        D

        • Damasco

        E

        • Elixir('Al-Axir&#039
        • Emir ('Amir&#039
        • Emirato (Emirado)
        • Escabeche ('Sikbaj&#039
        • Esmeralda (zum?rrud)

        F

        • Falua (faluka)
        • Fat?mida
        • Fulano (Flan)

        G

        • Garrafa (karaf?, frasco bojudo)

        H

        • Har?m ('Harim&#039
        • Haxixe ('Hashish';maconha)

        I

        • Im? (imam, guia)
        • Isl?o (Isl?, Islame)

        J

        • Javali (jabali)

        L

        • Laranja (naranj deriva do Persa nar?ng)
        • Laranjeira (naranj deriva do Persa nar?ng)
        • Lez?ria (al-jaza'ir, ilhas)
        • Lim?o (laimun deriva do Persa limun)
        • Limoeiro (laimun deriva do Persa limun)

        M

        • Madra?al (madra?a, escola)
        • Magazine
        • Marabuto Mur?bit santo que se dedica ao rib?t i.? ? guerra santa ou ? vida religiosa dentro de um rib?t (local de medita??o religiosa ou de fronteira para proteger as terras do Isl?o)
        • Masmorra (matmura, celeiro subterr?neo)
        • Matraca (mitraka)
        • Mesquita (masdjid)
        • Mo??rabe (must'rib, arabizado)
        • Mud?jar (mudajjan, o que fica morando)
        • Muezim Muazzin respons?vel pelos chamamentos ?s ora??es can?nicas.
        • Maom? (original Muhammad. Tamb?m Maomet. Outrora Maomede, Mafoma, Mafamede)
        • Muladi muallad crist?o da Pen?nsula ib?rica convertido ao Isl?o (malado)

        N

        • Nadir (natir, oposto, proje??o na esfera celeste inferior)
        • Nora (na'?ra)

        O

        • Om?ada
        • Oxal? (in sha allah ou inshallah, se Deus quiser)

        P

        • Papagaio (babaga)

        R

        • Ramad?o
        • R?s
        • Resma

        S

        • S?faro (sahra', deserto)
        • Safra (safaria, esta??o da colheita)
        • Salamaleque (as-salam-alaik, a paz seja contigo)
        • Saloio (?ahroi, do campo)
        • Sultanato (sultan, dom?nio, dominador)
        • Sult?o (sultan, dom?nio, dominador)
        • Sura

        T

        • Tambor (tanbur deriva do Persa d?nb?ra, c?tara)

        X

        • Xadrez (xatranj deriva do S?nscrito xaturanga, que consta de quatro membros)
        • Xarope (sharab, bebida, po??o)
        • Xaveco (xabbak, pequeno navio de tr?s mastros e velas latinas)
        • Xerife
        • Xeque
        • Xeque-mate

        Z

        • Zarabatana (zarba t?n?)
        • Z?nite (samt, direc??o da cabe?a, caminho, proje??o na esfera celeste)

        NAMES OF CITYES PLACES

        Top?nimos de origem ARab/Berber Albarraque (Albarrak, ou o brilhante), Albufeira (Albuhaira, ou a pequena barragem), Alc?cer (Alqassr, ou o castelo), Alc??ovas (Alqassba, ou a cidadela fortificada), Alcaidaria (a chefia), Alcaide (o chefe), Alcains (Alkanissa, ou a igreja), Alc?ntara (a ponte), Alcantarilha (diminutivo de Alc?ntara), Alcaria (a aldeia), Alcoba?a (Alkubasha, ou os carneiros), Alcochete (Alqucha, ou o forno), Alcoentre (Alqunaitara, ou a ponte pequena), Alfama (Alhammam, ou os banhos), Alfambras (Alhamra, ou a vermelha), Alfarim (Alfarish, ou corte de floresta, no sentido de industria madeireira), Alfarrobeira (Alharruba, o mesmo que em portugu?s), Alferce (a picareta), Algarve (Algharb, ou o Ocidente), Algeruz (o canal), Alg?s (Aljaich, ou o ex?rcito), Algueir?o (Aljairan, ou as grutas), Alhandra (Alhammam, ou os banhos), Aljezur (Aljazair, ou as ilhas), Almacave (Almaqabara, ou os cemit?rios), Almada (Almadin, ou a mina), Almansil (a estalagem), Almargem (Almarjan, ou o prado), Almedina (a cidade), Almo?ageme (Almassjid, ou a mesquita), Almod?var (Almudura, ou o cercado redondo), Alqueid?o (Alhaima, ou a tenda), Alvai?zere (Albaiaz, ou o falcoeiro), Alvalade (Albalad, ou o campo), Alverca (Albirka, ou o p?ntano), Alvor (Albir, ou o po?o), Alvorge (Alburj, ou a torre), Arr?bida (lugar de ora??o), Asseca (caminho recto e plano), Atalaia (lugar alto de onde se exerce vigil?ncia), Azambuja (o zambujeiro), Azeit?o (zona de produ??o de azeite), Az?ia (Azauia, ou lugar de ora??o), Bensafrim (Ben Safarin, ou lugar dos feiticeiros), Bobadela (Bu abdallah, ou filho do escravo de Deus), Boliqueime (Bu Alhakim, nome pr?prio), Cac?m (nome pr?prio, que significa aquele que testemunha), Cane?as (Kanissa, ou igreja), Cuba (pequena torre), Faro (Harun, nome pr?prio), F?tima (nome da filha do Profeta Muhammad), Loul? (Al?ulia, ou a alta), Mafamude (Mahmmud, nome do Profeta), Mafra (Mahfra, ou cova), Malhada (lugar de travessia de um rio), Marv?o (Marwan, nome pr?prio), Massam? (Maktam?, ou nascente de ?gua), Mesquita (Massjid, o mesmo que em portugu?s), Messejana (pris?o), Odemira (Ued Amira, ou rio da princesa), Palmela (Bismillah, ou em nome de Deus), Queluz (vale da amendoeira), Safara (Sahara, ou deserta), Salema (Salama, ou paz).

        Sorry if soemeone wnat transelations i can provide ,D just pm to me

        SALAAM TO ALL , nice topic indeed.. sun

        salam NOMAD ,

        interesting , thx for posting this , post more plz if still , i am interested in linguistics

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          English / French / Latin / / Arabic Root Arabic Prononciation Comment

          Technology / Technic / / atkana / atkan / takniah "Atkana " mean to made something in a perfection way

          2788 And you see the mountains, you think they are solid, while they are passing by like the clouds. The making of God who perfected " atkana" everything. He is Expert over what you do.

          Matter / materialism / mda / maddah " maddah" is matter "mada" mean to stretch in a deep meaning ti mean to occupy a space to become a thing , it mean also to give or to supply with things with matter

          1720 For both groups We will bestow "nomed" from the bounty of your Lord. And the bounty of your Lord is never restricted.

          133 And He is the One who has spread " mada" out the land, and made in it stabilizers and rivers, and all the fruits He made in pairs; the night covers the day. In that are signs for a people who think.

          sport / / sabara / alsabr / alsabereen " Alsabr" mean patience , it mean being capable of supporting endurance this is where the word "sport" come from.

          245 And seek help through patience"alsabr" and through the contact prayer. It is a difficult thing, but not so for the humble.

          To Englobe / global Kalab " kalab" mean the template witch we use as shape/form for something , the same meaning as to Englobe.

          Vito fatwa " fatwa" is statement/ announcement / declaration made by somebody to clarify something or what to do or not to do . this is the Wikipedia explanation A veto, Latin for "I forbid", is the power of an officer of the state to unilaterally stop an official action, especially enactment of a piece of legislation.
          in the Quran its made clearly that people come to "the prophet" asking for fatwa about something the answer was 4176 They seek a "Yastaftounak/Vito" from you, say "God gives you the "youftikoum / fatwah/Vito" for those who have no descendants. If a person passes away and has no children but has a sister, then she shall receive half of what he leaves behind. And he will inherit from her if she has no child.

          Brain / burn / fad / fouad "fad" mean to burn ( ) . . fouad " is the place of reasoning/ thinking
          1678 And God brought you out of the wombs of your mothers while you knew nothing. And He has made for you the hearing and the eyesight and "al afida "the brains, perhaps you would be thankful.

          rules / r?gles / ghal / aghlal "aghlal" mean the shackles , a verse of the Quran talk about the children of Israel if they follow the coming prophet mention in their books he will take off their shackles
          7157 "Those who follow the Gentile messenger prophet whom they find written for them in the Torah and the Gospel; he orders them to kindness, and prohibits them from vice, and he makes lawful for them the good things, and he makes unlawful for them the evil things, and he removes their burden and the shackles that are upon them.

          these shackles are rules/laws that restrict their everyday life because of their bad deeds , a lot of things was made unlawful for them because of their behavior , so these "rules/aghlal" are a law restricting them same as shackles.

          law/ lawyer / lawh / alwah "lawh" mean tablet . Moses recieved tablets " alwah" where the comendement was written , the commendement is simply law , the call it law becouse it was written in "tablets lawh"

          7145 And We wrote for him on the tablets " alalwah" from all things a lesson, and detailing all things. Take it with strength and order your people to take the best from it. I will show you the abode of the wicked.

          Build / building blat "blat" is a stage of building a wall or a house

          ( ) .
          . .

          Water matter " mattar" mean rain

          784 And We rained down upon them a rain, so see how was the punishment for the criminals.

          ...to be continued

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            Salam To all ,

            This is for those who are still in doubt about the origin of English Language . I do not aim by this topic anything except comparative linguistic study.

            While i was doing my ethological study of some Latin words , i did post some and still have more , I found while i was doing a research in linguistic lately a book with 500 English word by alphabetic order from a study of a researcher , i'll download the full book for Arabic readers later, here are by Alphabetic order

            Letter A

            English / Arabic root and meaning Arabic pronunciation

            Aard Arrd
            .

            Aard wolf Deb Al-Arrd

            Abet Abatta

            .

            Abide Abada
            , .
            . .

            Abode Al-oboud
            , .
            .

            Ably Abla
            , .

            Acclimate Yata9lam
            .
            .

            Accolade Al-9ilada
            , .
            .

            Accrete Al-Kharidah
            .
            . .

            Aceldama Ha9l Al-dam
            .
            .

            Acephalous Al-asfal
            , .
            " . .

            Ache Akh
            , .
            " " .

            Acid Al-shayed
            , ,
            .

            Acme Al-Kemma
            , .
            .

            Act Al-aa'kd
            , .
            .

            Address Al-darss
            , .
            .

            Adhere Al-daherr
            , .
            . " .

            Adob Al-tobb
            .
            "

            Aeon Hen
            , .
            " , .

            Aestivate Al-estayaf

            " "

            Agamic Al-aa'kem
            , .
            . .

            Agamogenesis Al-Ginss Al-aa'kem
            .
            .

            Genesis Al-Ginss
            .
            .

            Agape Aa'jab
            ,
            . .

            Age Ajal
            , .
            . ,

            Agile Aa'jel
            , .
            . .

            Agleam Al-jalim
            .
            .

            Agony Al-konouA
            , , .
            , . .

            Agree Akarra
            , .
            . .

            Aglow Al-jalw
            , .
            . , , .

            Aggravate Akrafa
            , .
            .

            Aid Ayada
            , .
            . ,

            Ail Aa'la
            .
            .

            Aim Amma
            .
            . .

            Air Al-herr
            .
            . .

            Aisl Aa'zel
            .
            . . .

            Ajar Ajrr

            . .

            Alarm Al-aa'ram
            , , .
            . . .

            Alas Al-assa
            .
            .

            Allege Alaka
            , .
            . .

            Alleluia Hallilou
            .
            .

            Alley Allaey
            ,
            . " " .

            Aloha Al-lawh
            , .
            .

            Altar Al-tar
            , .
            . ..

            Alumna

            Alumnus Alaa'oloum
            .
            .

            Amain Amaa'na

            .

            Amputate Al-batt
            .
            .

            Amuse Al-mozah
            , .
            . .

            Anabatic Al-nabtt

            . .

            Anaphase Al-Infisal
            .
            .

            Anaphrodisia Al-nafrogissia
            .
            , . .

            Anastigmate Al-istikama
            .
            .

            Anecdote Al-nokta
            , .
            .

            Anchor Al-khourr
            ,
            ,

            Anemo Al-naa'mi
            .
            .

            Anemograph Gharaf Al-naa'ami

            . .

            Anemone Al-noaa'man
            .
            .

            Anger Al-naghrr
            , .
            . .

            Angle Al-najl
            , " " .
            . , " " .

            Anile Al-nalnal
            ,
            .

            Animal Al-anaa'am
            .
            . al alanim .

            Anklebone Al-bwani
            .
            . , .

            Ankylose Al-9alouss
            .
            . . .

            Annex Al-nakss
            , .
            . " " .

            Annotate Al-nottah
            .
            . . . .

            Annoy Al-naa'i
            , , .
            . , .

            Anon Hala(n)
            .
            " N " .

            Anosmia Al-nassima
            .
            , , .

            Anoxia Al-nakssiah
            .
            .

            Apace Abazza
            .
            . .

            Aparega Al-barjass
            .
            , .

            Ape Al-habn

            . ,

            Apron Al-habrr
            , .
            . . " .

            Aptera Al-batrA
            .
            .

            Apteral Al-abtar
            .
            " " .

            Arable
            Ara....able Aa'rA Kabel
            ,
            " " .
            " " a " .

            Arc Aa'rj
            .
            . " " " " .

            Arch Aa'rj
            ,
            . " " . . " " . .

            Arch or

            Arghi Al-assli
            , .
            . " " , .

            Archly Al-aa'rkab
            , .
            . .

            Ardent Al-radn
            , , .
            . , , " . " .

            Argus Arak
            .
            " " .

            Arid Hard
            ,
            . , " " .

            Arise Al-razn
            .
            . . .

            Ark Al-Harjj
            " "

            to be continued...Letter A

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              Ark Al-Harjj
              " "
              . " " .

              Arm Harama
              .
              . , . " " .

              Arm Aa'rm
              Infant in arm
              .
              . . . " " .

              Arm Al-aa'rram
              ,
              . . .

              Army Al-aa'ramram
              .
              . .

              Arouse Harrada
              , , .
              . " " .

              Array Arraa'
              .
              . " " .

              Array Al-Harrer

              . . . " .

              Arrest Al-rassd
              , .
              . .

              Arum Al-harm
              .
              . .

              Arroyo Al-rawey
              , .
              . . .

              Arson Arath

              . . . " " .

              Ascend Al-sanad
              , .
              . .

              Ascend Al-isnad
              .
              . " " .

              Asgard Askara
              .
              . . .

              Asleep Al-saleeb
              , , .
              " " .

              Ashamed Al-hashm
              Ashame..
              ,
              . " " , . . .

              Aspirate Al-zafeer
              H
              . .

              Aspire Al-zafeer
              , , ,
              . . . .

              Assail Al-shayel
              , .
              . . .

              Assay aa'ssa
              , .
              . " " .

              Assert Assarra

              . " " .

              Assort Al-sarrd
              , .
              . . .

              Assure Al-shawr
              , .
              . . . .

              Astern
              Ast? AL-ist
              , .
              . .

              Asylum Al-salam
              .
              .

              Atlas Al-talss
              .
              . " " " , .

              Atlas Al-talss
              .
              . . , . , " . " " . , " " " "

              Attak Al-daa'k
              .
              " " .

              Attain Al-deen
              , .
              " . . . .

              Attenuate Al-danayah
              , .
              " " " " .

              Attune Al-dan
              ,
              . " " .

              Auabade Awabed
              , .
              . .

              Audien-

              Audient Al-Oudn
              , .
              . . " " .

              Auric Al-wara9
              , .
              . .

              Author Al-ather
              , .
              . . . .

              Autogenesis

              -genesis Jinss
              .
              " " .

              Autogamy Aa'kem

              -gamy
              .
              .

              Ave Aa'feya
              .
              " " .

              Average Al-fark
              . .
              . . .

              Aweary Al-waa'r
              , , .
              , . . .

              Awl Al-aa'wel
              , .
              , .

              Ax , Axe A'kassa
              .
              .

              Ay , Aye Aye
              .
              .

              To be continued ...Letter B soon

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                Peace Alkitab,

                All languages by their very nature develop and interact with other languages and borrow from them. This is normal. However, what is not normal is the dogmatic belief of some Sunnis that Arabic is the origin of all languages. This is rooted in the nonsensical belief that Arabic is a divine language. This goes back to the ancient dispute about the great reading being created or uncreated. The Sunnis believe that it is uncreated and therefore they often consider its Arabic language also uncreated.

                I will demonstrate the problems with attributing everything to Arabic through the example below where you make the common error of attempting to attribute the word "jund" to an Arabic origin

                gendarmes/ gendarmerie / jond / jonoud "jond " jound mean military forces .3628 And We did not send down upon his people after him soldiers from the heaven; for there was no need to send them down.. . ( ) . . please note that the english and the arabic word gendarmey/ jound / does conatin the word" jinn " .

                The word "jund" occurs some 29 times in the great reading in various forms. The word has no verbal root in Arabic, in other words the word "janad" doesn't exist in the Arabic language. We only find the word "jannad" (to make troops). What we find is that "jund" in fact comes from Persian where it means army or troop. First it was borrowed from Persian into Aramaic. So it either came to Arabic directly from Persian or (more probably) through Aramaic.

                Peace,

                Ayman

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                  Salaam

                  Seems logical, and we cant just say one word is from arab roots only by sounding/adaptation... but altought i dont bealive Creator using Persian words, while Quran is arabic... that unsenssless.. The Quran language is the "upgrade" of south Arabian dialects.. like Sabean and thamudic,etc.. dont think its persian..i bealive that persian adopted many stuff.. and then chenged in their way and invented Hadiths and so on..again, Allah knows best

                  peace pr

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                    Peace Alkitab,

                    All languages by their very nature develop and interact with other languages and borrow from them. This is normal. However, what is not normal is the dogmatic belief of some Sunnis that Arabic is the origin of all languages. This is rooted in the nonsensical belief that Arabic is a divine language. This goes back to the ancient dispute about the great reading being created or uncreated. The Sunnis believe that it is uncreated and therefore they often consider its Arabic language also uncreated.

                    I will demonstrate the problems with attributing everything to Arabic through the examplemake below where you the common error of attempting to attribute the word "jund" to an Arabic origin

                    The word "jund" occurs some 29 times in the great reading in various forms. The word has no verbal root in Arabic, in other words the word "janad" doesn't exist in the Arabic language. We only find the word "jannad" (to make troops). What we find is that "jund" in fact comes from Persian where it means army or troop. First it was borrowed from Persian into Aramaic. So it either came to Arabic directly from Persian or (more probably) through Aramaic.

                    Peace,

                    Ayman

                    Mister Aymen, I respect you a lot, and admire your sincere search of truth, but in this one, I totally agree with with what "Alkitab" posted
                    the Arabic language is as modern as english, frensh and other europeen languages, tha anciant languages are , the Quran language, maybe latin, hindu etc
                    the arabic language is inspired from the quran, and made up to alter the senses of the words , for exemple, the word ALHAMD, which is used to mean THANK , just as choukr, but inreality , when you study the word, it means something greater than that, it means the COMMAND

                    exemple, proof from the quran , the KAFIROON, responded by HAMDI of their Lord

                    • 52 -

                    The day he'll call you and you responds by his command and you will believe you rested only a little 1752

                    I give you another exemple, these people who invented languages and fabricated them when colonising the world, wanted to change the whole HISTORY , to keep controlling in the future
                    look at the word ALROOM
                    1 -

                    2 -
                    the ROOM was defeated
                    3 -
                    in the lowest land, and after their defeat, they will be victorious
                    4 -
                    in a few years, for Allah are the affairs from before and after, and that moment will be joyfull for MUMINUN
                    5 -
                    With the triumph of Allah, he'll triumph whom he wills and he is the supreme, the mercifull

                    When I read these verses, I ask a question, why would the mouslim be joyfull and happy, with the victory of a foreign nation, agaist another foreign nation, while they're both non muslims ? Why would Allah promiss a victory to muslims, while the victory isn't their and they have nothing to do in that war ? and the best is, why allah calls that victory of a non muslim nation, NASR ALLAH ?
                    this whole thing stink SATAN explanation in history and hadith books
                    when you study the quran alone , you get this

                    • 9 - 17 - 179

                    RAMAYT - RAMA

                    • 7 - 94 - 123

                    RIMAHA-KUM
                    therefore, Rama and rimah etc... all this together is called ARMY
                    ALROOM = ARMY, this sourah is talking about a defeat of the muslim army, and the promise was made that they will be victorious
                    here prophecy fullfilled

                      • 1 -

                    when came the victory of Allah and triumph

                      • 22 -

                    And when the MUMINUN saw the faderates, they said this is what been promissed to us by allah and his messenger, allah is truthfull and his messenger, and it added to them only safety and peace

                    the sourah alroom , sall be translated like this
                    1 -
                    A L M
                    2 -
                    the Army was defeated
                    3 -
                    in the lowes land, and after their defeat, they will be victorious
                    4 -
                    in a few years, to Allaj are the affairs from before and after, and in that moment will be joyfull for MUMINUN
                    5 -
                    With the triumph of Allah, he'll triumph whom he wills and he is the supreme, the mercifull

                    IT MAKES P?RFECT SENSE ( TO ME )vv
                    and conclusion
                    Alroom = Army , perfect match , Etymology way speaking

                    I suggest, Take in consideration that the language of the quran, is the 1st language intelligent men were inspired FROM ALLAH, at least, give a prooof that the language of the quran , is just another langue made by man , or the TONGUE inspired from the begining
                    I use to laugh at Arabs when they say Arabic is the origin of all languages, but after study, I realised that ARABS are wrong, because the quran isn't arabic language, but it contains all languages of the world

                    BY The way , JUNUD isn't persian , it simply means AGENTS , when Allah speaks of Agents we don't see, he's talking about secret agents, and not some spirits from another dimension, but men , agents

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                      Brother loxbox13,

                      I do agree with you on your skepticsims why would Believers be joyful when Pagan Christian Amry of Roma defates Pagan Army of Persian.

                      You have to notice that the two parties involved in the battles are mentioned in the ayyat ( Alroom and the Believers), so the battle has to be between Alroom and the believers, the thing is that the dialectical marks are messed up, the verse should be with Fatha and not Kasra (Ghalabat Alroom=Rome Won) and NOT (Gholibat Alroom= Rome Lost).

                      Believers are sad because Rome won over them, and Allah swt is promising believers of later victory.

                      I believe the ayyat are talking about Muta battle where the muslim went after the ruler of Balqa killed the messenger of the prophet, Balqa is in modern day Jordan. Muslims were effectively defeated by the romans, the battle took place in year 8 hijri. http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mu%27tah

                      The Muslims retaliated and the Rome was defeated in the battle of Yarmouk in year 13 hijri. http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Yarmouk

                      Mister Aymen, I respect you a lot, and admire your sincere search of truth, but in this one, I totally agree with with what "Alkitab" posted
                      the Arabic language is as modern as english, frensh and other europeen languages, tha anciant languages are , the Quran language, maybe latin, hindu etc
                      the arabic language is inspired from the quran, and made up to alter the senses of the words , for exemple, the word ALHAMD, which is used to mean THANK , just as choukr, but inreality , when you study the word, it means something greater than that, it means the COMMAND

                      exemple, proof from the quran , the KAFIROON, responded by HAMDI of their Lord

                      • 52 -

                      The day he'll call you and you responds by his command and you will believe you rested only a little 1752

                      I give you another exemple, these people who invented languages and fabricated them when colonising the world, wanted to change the whole HISTORY , to keep controlling in the future
                      look at the word ALROOM
                      1 -

                      2 -
                      the ROOM was defeated
                      3 -
                      in the lowest land, and after their defeat, they will be victorious
                      4 -
                      in a few years, for Allah are the affairs from before and after, and that moment will be joyfull for MUMINUN
                      5 -
                      With the triumph of Allah, he'll triumph whom he wills and he is the supreme, the mercifull

                      When I read these verses, I ask a question, why would the mouslim be joyfull and happy, with the victory of a foreign nation, agaist another foreign nation, while they're both non muslims ? Why would Allah promiss a victory to muslims, while the victory isn't their and they have nothing to do in that war ? and the best is, why allah calls that victory of a non muslim nation, NASR ALLAH ?
                      this whole thing stink SATAN explanation in history and hadith books
                      when you study the quran alone , you get this

                      • 9 - 17 - 179

                      RAMAYT - RAMA

                      • 7 - 94 - 123

                      RIMAHA-KUM
                      therefore, Rama and rimah etc... all this together is called ARMY
                      ALROOM = ARMY, this sourah is talking about a defeat of the muslim army, and the promise was made that they will be victorious
                      here prophecy fullfilled

                        • 1 -

                      when came the victory of Allah and triumph

                        • 22 -

                      And when the MUMINUN saw the faderates, they said this is what been promissed to us by allah and his messenger, allah is truthfull and his messenger, and it added to them only safety and peace

                      the sourah alroom , sall be translated like this
                      1 -
                      A L M
                      2 -
                      the Army was defeated
                      3 -
                      in the lowes land, and after their defeat, they will be victorious
                      4 -
                      in a few years, to Allaj are the affairs from before and after, and in that moment will be joyfull for MUMINUN
                      5 -
                      With the triumph of Allah, he'll triumph whom he wills and he is the supreme, the mercifull

                      IT MAKES P?RFECT SENSE ( TO ME )vv
                      and conclusion
                      Alroom = Army , perfect match , Etymology way speaking

                      I suggest, Take in consideration that the language of the quran, is the 1st language intelligent men were inspired FROM ALLAH, at least, give a prooof that the language of the quran , is just another langue made by man , or the TONGUE inspired from the begining
                      I use to laugh at Arabs when they say Arabic is the origin of all languages, but after study, I realised that ARABS are wrong, because the quran isn't arabic language, but it contains all languages of the world

                      BY The way , JUNUD isn't persian , it simply means AGENTS , when Allah speaks of Agents we don't see, he's talking about secret agents, and not some spirits from another dimension, but men , agents

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                        Brother loxbox13,

                        I do agree with you on your skepticsims why would Believers be joyful when Pagan Christian Amry of Roma defates Pagan Army of Persian.

                        You have to notice that the two parties involved in the battles are mentioned in the ayyat ( Alroom and the Believers), so the battle has to be between Alroom and the believers, the thing is that the dialectical marks are messed up, the verse should be with Fatha and not Kasra (Ghalabat Alroom=Rome Won) and NOT (Gholibat Alroom= Rome Lost).

                        Believers are sad because Rome won over them, and Allah swt is promising believers of later victory.

                        I believe the ayyat are talking about Muta battle where the muslim went after the ruler of Balqa killed the messenger of the prophet, Balqa is in modern day Jordan. Muslims were effectively defeated by the romans, the battle took place in year 8 hijri. http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mu%27tah

                        The Muslims retaliated and the Rome was defeated in the battle of Yarmouk in year 13 hijri. http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Yarmouk

                        Excuse me brother, if you use wiki sunni history, you better changer your mind, because ROMA isn't called AROOM in, arabic, but Al ROUMAN

                        Alroom simply means the army, it is the muslim army

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                          abuamrrami
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                          Excuse me brother, if you use wiki sunni history, you better changer your mind, because ROMA isn't called AROOM in, arabic, but Al ROUMAN

                          Alroom simply means the army, it is the muslim army

                          Dear Brother,

                          I am not taking wikipedia as the source of my knowledge, I simply sent you a link on wikipedia because it shows the history in Muslim eyes ( they thought they won in Mutah) but when you read it carefully they actually lost.

                          now back to Ghalabat(won) Rome or Gholibat(lost) Rome, the verse should read like this"

                          Rome Won, ...................................... and after that they will lose..................................... and believers will rejoice

                          Many of tafaseer even indicates that it could be read with kasra ( Rome won), Tabari.. etc

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                            Dear Brother,

                            I am not taking wikipedia as the source of my knowledge, I simply sent you a link on wikipedia because it shows the history in Muslim eyes ( they thought they won in Mutah) but when you read it carefully they actually lost.

                            now back to Ghalabat(won) Rome or Gholibat(lost) Rome, the verse should read like this"

                            Rome Won, ...................................... and after that they will lose..................................... and believers will rejoice

                            Many of tafaseer even indicates that it could be read with kasra ( Rome won), Tabari.. etc

                            ( &#1615 .

                            { } .

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                            these taffasirs were made by non muslim people, to delude the muslim ummah, you still trust poeple you never knew ?

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                              Noon_waalqalami
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                              Indo-European, yes it's true what we say/joke that our language is so old that Adam spoke Albanian!

                              http//albcc.com/indo-european_tree.jpg

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                                I give you another exemple, these people who invented languages and fabricated them when colonising the world, wanted to change the whole HISTORY , to keep controlling in the future
                                look at the word ALROOM
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                                the ROOM was defeated
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                                in the lowest land, and after their defeat, they will be victorious
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                                in a few years, for Allah are the affairs from before and after, and that moment will be joyfull for MUMINUN
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                                With the triumph of Allah, he'll triumph whom he wills and he is the supreme, the mercifull
                                When I read these verses, I ask a question, why would the mouslim be joyfull and happy, with the victory of a foreign nation, agaist another foreign nation, while they're both non muslims ? Why would Allah promiss a victory to muslims, while the victory isn't their and they have nothing to do in that war ? and the best is, why allah calls that victory of a non muslim nation, NASR ALLAH ?
                                this whole thing stink SATAN explanation in history and hadith books

                                In this case, the simplest explanation is that the vocalization marks are wrong. It should be the Romans won and afterwards they will lose. There is too much pre-quranic evidence of the word "rwm" as "Romans" in the epigraphic record, including the famous Namara inscription.

                                I suggest, Take in consideration that the language of the quran, is the 1st language intelligent men were inspired FROM ALLAH, at least, give a prooof that the language of the quran , is just another langue made by man , or the TONGUE inspired from the begining
                                I use to laugh at Arabs when they say Arabic is the origin of all languages, but after study, I realised that ARABS are wrong, because the quran isn't arabic language, but it contains all languages of the world
                                BY The way , JUNUD isn't persian , it simply means AGENTS , when Allah speaks of Agents we don't see, he's talking about secret agents, and not some spirits from another dimension, but men , agents

                                The great reading itself says that it was revealed in the language of the people of the messenger and not in somekind of divine language. In fact, the Arabic language, like any human language, contains many inconsistencies and those linguistic inconsistencies are obvious in the great reading. However, this is part of the amazing characteristics of the great reading. The god took an inconsistent human language and used it to deliver a consistent and very powerful message.

                                The word "jund" is Persian and as I said it has no verbal root in Arabic. On the other hand, it is documented in Persian inscriptions that predate the Arabic language.

                                Peace,

                                Ayman

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                                  good_logic
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                                  Peace loxbox

                                  There are other reasons why Qoran( the last testament) was sent in Arabic, as well as "because the prophet was Arab" Quote from RK

                                  Arabic is the most efficient language in the world, especially when it comes to the precise statement of laws. Since the Quran is a Statute Book, it was crucial that such laws must be clearly stated. God chose Arabic for His Final Testament because of the obvious reason that it is the most suitable language for that purpose. Arabic is unique in its efficiency and accuracy. For example, the word "they" in English does not tell you if "they" are males or females. In Arabic there is a "they" for the males, "HUM," and a "they" for the females, "HUNNA." There is even a "they" for two males, "HUMAA," and a "they" for two females, "HAATAAN." This feature does not exist in any other language in the world.

                                  Also

                                  The word "Qaalataa" of 2823, for example, translates into four English words "the two women said." Such is the efficiency of the Arabic language.

                                  Another possible reason for choosing Arabic is the fact that "He" and "She" do not necessarily imply natural gender. Thus, when God is referred to as "He," this does not imply gender at all. God be glorified; He is neither male, nor female. The usage of "He" to refer to God in the English language, for example, has contributed to a false image of God. This was not helped by such distorted expressions as "Father" when referring to God. You never find such a reference to God in the Quran.

                                  I happen to agree with this , even though I do not know Arabic well.

                                  Peace.

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                                    Jafar
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                                    Peace loxbox
                                    There are other reasons why Qoran( the last testament) was sent in Arabic, as well as "because the prophet was Arab" Quote from RK
                                    Arabic is the most efficient language in the world, especially when it comes to the precise statement of laws. Since the Quran is a Statute Book, it was crucial that such laws must be clearly stated. God chose Arabic for His Final Testament because of the obvious reason that it is the most suitable language for that purpose. Arabic is unique in its efficiency and accuracy. For example, the word "they" in English does not tell you if "they" are males or females. In Arabic there is a "they" for the males, "HUM," and a "they" for the females, "HUNNA." There is even a "they" for two males, "HUMAA," and a "they" for two females, "HAATAAN." This feature does not exist in any other language in the world.

                                    The Last Testament? Bah....
                                    Where does the quran claim that it's the 'last testament'?
                                    Again "Testament (First,Second,Last,New, Old)" is a by product of judeo-xtians mindset...

                                    Arabic as 'most efficient' language?

                                    Again.. let's define the clear objective criteria first.. what is 'efficient' language..??
                                    Without those clear criteria the title of "Most efficient" cannot be decided objectively and it left to the subjective judgement of each person.

                                    Salam / Peace

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                                      Again.. let's define the clear objective criteria first.. what is 'efficient' language..??
                                      Without those clear criteria the title of "Most efficient" cannot be decided objectively and it left to the subjective judgement of each person.

                                      It is GOD himself who says that.

                                      It seems that many people have fallen into the trap of rendering the word "3arabi" (&#1610 as "Arabic". Basically, what you are doing there is no more than transliterating the word. The actual meaning of the word "3arabi" is eloquence or clarity or precision. Its opposite is "a3jami" , which means innacurate or lacking or struggling to convey.

                                      Please look up this term in the lexicons, and you will see that I am not making this up. Perhaps member "Al-Kitab" can cast more light on this. When someone talks in a way that is not clear, or his alphabet lacks certain letters, or he mixes letters together and causes confusion in his speach, we say that his speech is "a3jami", meaning that it lacks the ability to convey perfect and clear meaning. On the other hand, when we say about someone (Translit A3raba'l Kalam), it means exactly that his speech has been made eloquent and precise.

                                      Hence, Lisanu'l 3arabi means literally The Eloquent (Pefect/Precise) Tongue, which uses the full range of 28 alphebtical letters, 6 of which are NOT found in the other so-called "Semitic" dialects (including what they falsely call "Hebrew&quot.

                                      Many linguists and experts - even Western ones - in the field of phonetics have stated that the "3arabi" tongue of the Quran is the closest dialect to the proto-Semitic tongue, from which all other dialects branched. This subject is so huge, that it will require an entire e-book in itself.

                                      This is rooted in the nonsensical belief that Arabic is a divine language.

                                      It is not a divine language. It is however, the oldest. And there is plenty of proof for that. The problem is that no-one on this forum is willing to accept that Arabia was the cradle of the human civilazation. This is why the Qur'an tells us that Muhammad (P) was sent to preach in "Ummu'l Qura", meaning the Mother of Towns (i.e the first urban settlement ever established). Unless and until you accept this truth, you will keep on transliterating the word into "Arabic", without grasping the significance behind the word, just as you would transliterate the word into "jabal" without understanding that it means "mountain".

                                      Peace...

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                                        Peace Jafar.

                                        Nothing is defined for you!

                                        Why don t you tell us your own definitions so we can compare with others and check?

                                        Questioning without giving a valid argument does not achieve anything!

                                        If everything is made up , according to you, and you do not provide any justification most of the time, apart from ????, $$$$, ...business...

                                        Yet some discussions have no relation to that at all, is there any truth out there?

                                        As for Qoran is not the last testament/scripture, what does last/final prophet mean?

                                        Are you expecting another scripture? On what ground?

                                        May be we are defining last/final wrong?

                                        Peace.

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                                          loxbox13
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                                          In this case, the simplest explanation is that the vocalization marks are wrong. It should be the Romans won and afterwards they will lose. There is too much pre-quranic evidence of the word "rwm" as "Romans" in the epigraphic record, including the famous Namara inscription.

                                          The great reading itself says that it was revealed in the language of the people of the messenger and not in somekind of divine language. In fact, the Arabic language, like any human language, contains many inconsistencies and those linguistic inconsistencies are obvious in the great reading. However, this is part of the amazing characteristics of the great reading. The god took an inconsistent human language and used it to deliver a consistent and very powerful message.

                                          The word "jund" is Persian and as I said it has no verbal root in Arabic. On the other hand, it is documented in Persian inscriptions that predate the Arabic language.

                                          Peace,

                                          Ayman

                                          Hey Ayman, peace

                                          arab race never existed, the countries we call ARABS , from Morocco to Syrai, is the Land of Bani Israel, the ARABIC language never exiosted, it was invented in the same time as english, frensh, hebreu etc... 16th or 17th century

                                          the language of the quran is something else, ARABIYAN means perfect, and not an arab as it is known in arabic language, what do you say about HOUKMAN AARABIYAN ??? - - 37 -

                                          And like this we hosted it a "ARABIYAN" system/governance/ruling ???

                                          in this verse, it is clear that Arabiyan has nothing to do with a race invented by the british/frensh called ARABS , nor a language, becase we can't say that Governance or the commands in ruling has a language , I don't know if you understand what i mean , but please, make a search in the word ARABUIYAN, and you will realise that it means PERFECT and not an ARAB

                                          ARAB RACE and ARABIC LANGUAGE is the fabrication of the british/frensh in the 18th century , nothing more, there was never an arab race befoire the 19th century in Algeria, but now most people say we're ARABS, cause of the programmation of education , and endoctrinement , Egyptian Jamal Abdenasser player the biggest Zu=ionist part into creatin the Arabic race/language isdeology

                                          ARABIYAN = PERFECT A RABI , because it is from RABI , peace

                                          If youi ask Allah in the quran , What does mean ARABIYAN , he'll anwsered u already

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                                          ARABIYAN Qur'an, without any deviance
                                          Quran Arabiyan = no ctrookedness in it 3958

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