Inheritance according to Qur?an

Noon_waalqalami

Of course, it is used for a reason, but the reason is to fix the part of the inheritance as a function of the number of girls, Therefore it alots first to the girls it is not, again, a male the same amount as the amount given to two girls together, it is if there are two girls he gets the same amount as them.

Peace huruf, with that reasoning you cannot ever distribute

411 directs you The God in your children
to the male like share the two (feminine)

2 daughters 2 sons
2 daughters 3 sons

Nor can you distribute when parents or spouse are included above.
That is mathematical/logical proof that your reading is contradicting.

4176 ? and if they were ikh'watun brethren/siblings rijal wanisa
so to the male like share the two (feminine)
clarifies The God to you lest you stray
and The God in every a thing Knowing

Peace

huruf

If the distribution is as a function of the number of female daughters,
It says the male like the share of the two females, and the number of males does not matter, wht is fixed is what is alotted to the females, then what is left is alotted to the males, in whatever number.

The females are the ones that are numbered, one, two, over two. So the the effects one, the male is any number of males. So the male (any number of males) is one third between them.

Or you can use proportion if they are one to two they will get the same as the two females, or if they are three, the three get the same amount as one of the females, which is what goes on when there are over two females and they get two thirds. The third that is left is for the males.

Now, please, please, please don't cringe that that would be unfair, because you are pushing all along the principle with no qualms and no trouble that to disinherit the whole feminine population is quite acceptable and no big deal, in spite of the Qur'an itself considering women generally as more vulnerable than men.

How would you find that the first care of those who are supposedly qawwamun (carers) dor the women would be to snatch as dilligently as possible any parte that might fall on the women as inheritance?

Some jokes are funny, others are not.

Salaam

Noon_waalqalami

If the distribution is as a function of the number of female daughters,
It says the male like the share of the two females, and the number of males does not matter, wht is fixed is what is alotted to the females, then what is left is alotted to the males, in whatever number.

The females are the ones that are numbered, one, two, over two. So the the effects one, the male is any number of males. So the male (any number of males) is one third between them.

What I'm trying to explain is that it contradicts 4176 which does not revolve around the number of females.
It leads to unsolvable combinations. Examples

2 daughters 2 sons
2 daughters 3 sons
The above with siblings (two unknowns; hence unsolvable)

3 sisters 2 brothers
3 sisters 3 brothers

Even with your interpretation revolving around females you still end up with male getting twice. Example

3 daughters 1 son
girls get 2/3 (2/9 each) 1 son gets 1/3 (3/9) or 1.5 times.

4 daughters 1 son
girls get 2/3 (1/6 each) 1 son gets 1/3 or twice as much

You really have to study all cases and correct interpretation cannot contradict give unsolvable results. It is the same proof for example we know the spouse or father cannot share together with siblings.

Proof
1 = father (variable) + siblings mixed 21 ratio male to female (undefined in your interpretation)
1 = y + 2x + x
1 = y + 3x (no solution without involving negative numbers (-2=y, 1=x))

In conclusion to the male like share the two (feminine) is a simple 21 ratio.

Peace

huruf

So with the children nothing to complain about. The gretaer the number of the same sex, individually they may have less, but also they are more to help and share along. It goes the same for the males as for the females. It is fair and I think wise that precisely those who might be in a minority are better protected. That s single daughter among many males should inherit more is sensible, she is more protected. the other way around are less fvoured but still with lesser number reltively more favoured. For a measure that is general I think it is very thoughtful.

Of course, there is for all cases the possibility to make wills based on the individual needs. A general dispositions cannot fullfill individual need nor it is its purpose.

The distribution for the children I already answered that. And for the restin another forum in Spansih we hve been dealing with it, and now, as far as I can judge, I have may be a good idea of what the

ma taraka
and the
min ma taraka entails.

Ma taraka is the first distribution which is stated, and min ma taraka comes after as a "correction" in the sense that what it refers to should be charged to that same first inheritance. So that from the inheritance you take out at the same time the two sixths for the parents as the parts for the twos of sisters, or the two thirds for the more than two or the half for the one girl child.

If there is left an amount without being ditributed, if the inheritors are poor it me be attributed to them in the same proportion as the same attribution, if they are well off, it can go for social purposes. That I am not inventing the Qur'an commands to do that, so either to the needy inheritors, or to the needy non natural inheritors.

I think all combinations following that pattern can be had.

If not there may be an error in interpretation of the dispositions of the Qur'an or no the right proceedure has been applied.

I uote form the spanish site

"

Se considera que hay un solo legado inicial, que consta de la suma de la parte correspondiente a los progenitores y a la viuda.
Sobre los 1.000? se aplica una sola cantidad de 333,33? (2 sextos) + 125? (1 octavo)
La cantidad restante de esta operaci?n es 541,67?
Sobre la cantidad de 541,67? se aplican 2 tercios para las f?minas y 1 tercio para los varones
"

Salaam

Released

Peace )

Interesting discussion guys!! I'm going to read this thread from the beginning and see what I can deduce.

Noon_waalqalami

Of course, there is for all cases the possibility to make wills based on the individual needs. A general dispositions cannot fullfill individual need nor it is its purpose.

Of course!

The distribution for the children I already answered that. And for the restin another forum in Spansih we hve been dealing with it, and now, as far as I can judge, I have may be a good idea of what the

ma taraka
and the
min ma taraka entails.

Ma taraka is the first distribution which is stated, and min ma taraka comes after as a "correction" in the sense that what it refers to should be charged to that same first inheritance. So that from the inheritance you take out at the same time the two sixths for the parents as the parts for the twos of sisters, or the two thirds for the more than two or the half for the one girl child.

If there is left an amount without being ditributed, if the inheritors are poor it me be attributed to them in the same proportion as the same attribution, if they are well off, it can go for social purposes. That I am not inventing the Qur'an commands to do that, so either to the needy inheritors, or to the needy non natural inheritors.

I think all combinations following that pattern can be had.

If not there may be an error in interpretation of the dispositions of the Qur'an or no the right proceedure has been applied.

I uote form the spanish site

"

Se considera que hay un solo legado inicial, que consta de la suma de la parte correspondiente a los progenitores y a la viuda.
Sobre los 1.000? se aplica una sola cantidad de 333,33? (2 sextos) + 125? (1 octavo)
La cantidad restante de esta operaci?n es 541,67?
Sobre la cantidad de 541,67? se aplican 2 tercios para las f?minas y 1 tercio para los varones
"

Salaam

OK to translate, case is parents, wife, 3+ daughters, 2+ sons

1 - 1/3 parents (2/6 x 1000 = 333.33) - 1/8 wife (?1000 x 1/8 = 125) = 13/24 to children (1000 x 13/24 = 541.67)

children 541.67

541.67 x 2/3 = 361.113 to girls
541.67 x 1/3 = 180.557 to boys

Problema/contradiccion numero uno -- take out the sons try distributing...

3 daughters, parents, wife?
3 daughters, mother?
3 daughters, sister?

Problema/contradiccion numero dos -- be consistent with 4176 where 1/2 and 2/3 is not applicable nor are ma/what taraka/left or mimma/from what tarakna/left mentioned; it's clearly about mixed siblings and we are only given this function...

4176... so to the male like share the two (feminine)

How for example using only the above to distribute 3 sisters and 2 brothers?

Interesting discussion guys!! I'm going to read this thread from the beginning and see what I can deduce.

Gracias!

Paz!

herbman

Salam, Peace, Nun, Huruf, all,

just a question that come to me, I don't know if you already looked at it or maybe discussed it before

In the verses regarding inheritence, in the scenario where the husband die, and leave behind wife and children, the usual scenario is having one wife and children. Do we have any case where verses speak about 2, 3, 4 wives, is it 1/8 each etc...
Does the verse say 3-"To the wife...1/8" or "To wives ...1/8"

This can help to conclude if "polygamy" was the default or not.

Thanks

Noon_waalqalami

Salam, Peace, Nun, Huruf, all,

just a question that come to me, I don't know if you already looked at it or maybe discussed it before

In the verses regarding inheritence, in the scenario where the husband die, and leave behind wife and children, the usual scenario is having one wife and children. Do we have any case where verses speak about 2, 3, 4 wives, is it 1/8 each etc...
Does the verse say 3-"To the wife...1/8" or "To wives ...1/8"

This can help to conclude if "polygamy" was the default or not.

Thanks

Peace herbman,

It cannot be confirmed since verses addresses the community as a whole (plural).

412
and for you (masculine plural) half what left your spouses
and for them (feminine plural) the fourth from what you left (plural)

Having multiple wives is clear since prohibition of marrying sisters is stated.

423
prohibited onto you ...
and that you gathered between the two sisters only what hence passed

This is basic logic...

IF marrying multiple sisters = FALSE
THEN marrying non-sisters = TRUE

Distribution same any like category inheritors (e.g. sons) they all share evenly.

2 wives, 2 sons

1 - 1/8 wives (1/16 each) = 7/8 sons (7/16 each)

Noon_waalqalami

Peace herbman,

Notice the switch " to them" with " to you" otherwise the math would not work.
Example 4 wives, no child, each wife would get 1/4, leaves nothing for the parents.

412
and to you half what left your spouses if not was to them waladun/offspring/child
so if kana/is (masculine) to them walad (if to deceased/wife a male child/born) so to you the fourth

and to them the fourth from what you left if not was to you waladun/offspring/child
so if kana/is (masculine) to you walad (if to deceased/husband a male child/born) so to them (feminine plural) the eight

Few more examples...

wife-1 (son)
wife-2 (son)
wife-3 (no child)
wife-4 (no child)
if son = true
if no child = false
wives share = 1/8 fixed
parent share = 1/6 fixed
1 - 1/3 parents - 1/8 wives = 13/24 sons

wife-1 (daughter)
wife-2 (no child)
wife-3 (no child)
wife-4 (no child)
if son = false
if no child = false
wives share = variable
1 - 1/2 daughter = 1/2 wives (1/8 each)

wife-1 (son)
wife-2 (daughter)
wife-3 (no child)
wife-4 (no child)
if son = true
if no child = false
wives share = 1/8 fixed
1 - 1/8 wives = 7/8 children (7/24 daughter + 7/12 son) 21 ratio male to female

herbman

Thanks a lot Noon.

It is very helpfull and instructive.

Notexceling

Hi guys,

I think I finally worked out inheritance.

https//drive.google.com/file/d/0B6KVs7S_G7YEQkN5Y3RlZmJzOFE/edit?usp=sharing

Here is a simple questionnaire that highlights the respective ayat related to your situation.

Answer the 5 questions, Get your answer.

Let me know if there are any problems....Been testing it seems to work fine.

Go to File and press download (doesnt work on the google drive, requires conditional formatting)

I need all the feedback I can get. Test it and tell me if you find errors.

Noon_waalqalami

Hi guys,

I think I finally worked out inheritance.

https//drive.google.com/file/d/0B6KVs7S_G7YEQkN5Y3RlZmJzOFE/edit?usp=sharing

Here is a simple questionnaire that highlights the respective ayat related to your situation.

Answer the 5 questions, Get your answer.

Let me know if there are any problems....Been testing it seems to work fine.

Go to File and press download (doesnt work on the google drive, requires conditional formatting)

I need all the feedback I can get. Test it and tell me if you find errors.

Peace Notexceling,

Incomplete, erroneous translation e.g. kalala, walad, etc., nor does it cover all combinations or give distributions.

Perhaps as an exercise distribute parents die leave property jointly owned.
3 children heirs; 2 sisters and 1 half-brother from father's first marriage

CASE 1 father dies then later that same day the mother
CASE 2 mother dies then later that same day the father
CASE 3 parents perish simultaneously as in an accident

Here are all the combinations that the calculator needs to consider ?

Daughter/s
Son/s
Father
Mother
Wife/Husband
Sister/s
Brother/s

Daughter/s, Son/s
Daughter/s, Father
Daughter/s, Mother
Daughter/s, Wife/Husband
Daughter/s, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Brother/s
Son/s, Father
Son/s, Mother
Son/s, Wife/Husband
Son/s, Sister/s
Son/s, Brother/s
Father, Mother
Father, Wife/Husband
Father, Sister/s
Father, Brother/s
Mother, Wife/Husband
Mother, Sister/s
Mother, Brother/s
Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Sister/s, Brother/s

Daughter/s, Son/s, Father
Daughter/s, Son/s, Mother
Daughter/s, Son/s, Wife/Husband
Daughter/s, Son/s, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Father, Mother
Daughter/s, Father, Wife/Husband
Daughter/s, Father, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Father, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Mother, Wife/Husband
Daughter/s, Mother, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Mother, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Sister/s, Brother/s
Son/s, Father, Mother
Son/s, Father, Wife/Husband
Son/s, Father, Sister/s
Son/s, Father, Brother/s
Son/s, Mother, Wife/Husband
Son/s, Mother, Sister/s
Son/s, Mother, Brother/s
Son/s, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Son/s, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Son/s, Sister/s, Brother/s
Father, Mother, Wife/Husband
Father, Mother, Sister/s
Father, Mother, Brother/s
Father, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Father, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Father, Sister/s, Brother/s
Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Mother, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Mother, Sister/s, Brother/s
Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s

Daughter/s, Son/s, Father, Mother
Daughter/s, Son/s, Father, Wife/Husband
Daughter/s, Son/s, Father, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Father, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Mother, Wife/Husband
Daughter/s, Son/s, Mother, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Mother, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Sister/s, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Father, Mother, Wife/Husband
Daughter/s, Father, Mother, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Father, Mother, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Father, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Father, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Father, Sister/s, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Mother, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Mother, Sister/s, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s
Son/s, Father, Mother, Wife/Husband
Son/s, Father, Mother, Sister/s
Son/s, Father, Mother, Brother/s
Son/s, Father, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Son/s, Father, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Son/s, Father, Sister/s, Brother/s
Son/s, Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Son/s, Mother, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Son/s, Mother, Sister/s, Brother/s
Son/s, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s
Father, Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Father, Mother, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Father, Mother, Sister/s, Brother/s
Father, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s
Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s

Daughter/s, Son/s, Father, Mother, Wife/Husband
Daughter/s, Son/s, Father, Mother, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Father, Mother, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Father, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Father, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Father, Sister/s, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Mother, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Mother, Sister/s, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Father, Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Father, Mother, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Father, Mother, Sister/s, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Father, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s
Son/s, Father, Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Son/s, Father, Mother, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Son/s, Father, Mother, Sister/s, Brother/s
Son/s, Father, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s
Son/s, Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s
Father, Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s

Daughter/s, Son/s, Father, Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Father, Mother, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Father, Mother, Sister/s, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Father, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Father, Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s
Son/s, Father, Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s

Daughter/s, Son/s, Father, Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s

Noon_waalqalami

Perhaps as an exercise distribute parents die leave property jointly owned.
3 children heirs; 2 sisters and 1 half-brother from father's first marriage

CASE 1 father dies then later that same day the mother
CASE 2 mother dies then later that same day the father
CASE 3 parents perish simultaneously as in an accident

Peace, here are distributions for reference.

CASE 1 fathers? half property
1/8 wife
7/8 children (7/32 each daughter + 7/16 half-brother from fathers first marriage)
Then mothers 1/2 property + 1/8 to daughters (half-brother zero, not his mother)

CASE 2 mothers? half property
1/4 husband
3/4 daughters (half-brother zero, not his mother)
Then fathers 1/2 property + 1/4 to 3 children (3/16 each daughter and 3/8 to son)

CASE 3 parents perish simultaneously as in an accident
? mother?s half property to daughters (half-brother zero, not his mother)
? father?s half property to 3 children (1/8 to each daughter and 1/4 to son)

Noon_waalqalami

Wanted to link threads; two ways to resolved the contradictions

using 1, 2, or 3+ female to male ratios for children and siblings
toggle meaning of walad as exampled in this thread and below

Peace NielsJacob

It has to do with definition of walad and we know from 411 that either sex is included.
411 directs you the god in awldikum/children yours

Likewise with cross-reference we know yakun can refer to either sex.
2196 ... to whom not yakun/that be family his present

Likewise with cross-reference we know that ? family his? includes females
2932 and family his except lady his be she (f/s) from the remain behind

Whereas kana/be he (m/s) always refers to masculine

Example Case 3 daughters, husband

411 so if kunna/be they (f/p) nisan/womenfolk above two (f)
so for them (f/p) third dual (1/3 + 1/3 = 2/3)

412 and for you half what left spouses yours
if not yakun/that be for them walad (if no child 1/2)
so if kana/be (m/s) for them walad so for you the fourth

Therefore husband share is left variable/undefined this particular case and gets 1/3 remainder.
1/2 if no child = false
1/4 if son = false

That?s only non-contradicting reading far as I know for all combinations without surplus/deficit.

Contradiction excess 2/3 + 1/4 = 0.9167
1/2 if no child = false
1/4 if child = true

Contradiction deficit 2/3 + 1/2 = 1.1667
1/2 if no son = true
1/4 if son = false

4176 ... shows the god for you lest stray yeh and the god in every thing knower

Noon_waalqalami

Peace ? needed to update definition of Kalala as also a person who leaves no daughters as heirs else there is a contradiction in 412 and key difference whether to apply 412 presence of son or 4176 no son.

Thus siblings only inherit together with mother and/or son/s and never with daughter/s, spouse, or father.

411 directs you the god in children yours to the male similitude apportion the two (feminine) so if be/are (f/p) nisan/womenfolk fawqa/above two (feminine) so for them (f/p) third dual (1/3*2=2/3) what left and if be she (f/s) one (f/s) so for her the half and to parents dual his to each one from them dual the sixth from what left if be (s/m) for him waladun/born (son) so if not that be for him waladun/born (child) and heirs parents dual his so to mother his the third so if be (s/m) for him ikh'watun/brother so to mother his the sixth from after will have made in it or judgment fathers yours and sons yours not thou knowing which of them closer to you benefit of obligation from the god surely the god be knowledge of wisdom of

412 and for you half what left spouses yours if not that be for them waladun/born (child) so if be (m/s) for them waladun/born (son) so for you the fourth from what left they from after will made they in it or judgment and for them the fourth from what left thou you if not that be for you waladun/born (child) so if be (s/m) for you waladun/born (son) so to them the eight from what left thou you from after will thou making in it or judgment and if be (m/s) rajulun/man inherited kallatan/fatherless spouse-less daughter-less (i.e. mother, son/s, and/or siblings are only heirs) or im'ra-atun/lady and to him brother or sister so to each one from them dual the sixth so if be they of (2+) more from such so they partners in the third from after will is recommended in it or judgment other than harmful will from the god and the god know-er forbear-er

4176 they seek ruling your say the god gives a ruling you in al-kallati/the fatherless spouse-less daughter-less (i.e. mother, son/s, and/or siblings are only heirs) if person perished not for him waladun/born (son) and for him sister so for her half what left and he inherits it if not that be for her waladun/born (son) so if be dual (f/d) two (f/d) so to them dual (f/d) the third dual (1/3 + 1/3 = 2/3) from what left and if be they of (2+) ikh'watan/siblings rijlan/menfolk of wanisan/and womenfolk so to the male similitude apportion the two (feminine) shows the god for you lest stray yeh of and the god in every thing know-er

Examples

If children mixed 21 male to female (411)

3 daughters 2/3 (no son/s), 1/3 (parent/s and/or spouse) share equally
2 daughters (no son/s, unstated), parent/s, spouse; they share equally
1 daughter 1/2 (no son/s), 1/2 (parent/s and/or spouse); share equally

1/3 parents, 2/3 son/s or children mixed 21 male to female
1/3 mother, 2/3 father

1/2 husband, 1/2 parent/s (412 if no child)
1/4 husband, 1/3 parents (1/6 each), 5/12 children mixed 21 male to female (412 if son)

1/4 wife, 3/4 parent/s (412 if no child)
1/8 wife, 1/3 parents (1/6 each), 13/24 son/s or children mixed 21 male to female (412 if son)

412 ... and if be (m/s) rajulun/man inherited kallatan/fatherless spouse-less daughter-less (i.e. mother, son/s, and/or siblings are only heirs) or im'ra-atun/lady and to him brother or sister so to each one from them dual the sixth

1/6 mother, 1/6 sibling, 2/3 son/s

412 ... so if be they of (2+) more from such so they partners in the third

1/6 mother, 1/3 siblings (share equally), 1/2 son/s

4176 they seek ruling your say the god gives a ruling you in al-kallati/the fatherless spouse-less daughter-less (i.e. mother, son/s, and/or siblings are only heirs) if person perished not for him waladun/born (son) and for him sister so for her half what left and he inherits it if not that be for her waladun/born (son)

1+ brothers 5/6, mother 1/6 (411)
1 sister 1/2, mother 1/2

4176 ... so if be dual (f/d) two (f/d) so to them dual (f/d) the third dual (1/3 + 1/3 = 2/3) from what left

2 sisters 2/3 (1/3 each), mother 1/3
3+ sisters unstated share equally
3 sisters (1/4 each), mother 1/4
4 sisters (1/5 each), mother 1/5
5 sisters (1/6 each), mother 1/6

4176 ... and if be they of (2+) ikh'watan/siblings rijlan/menfolk of wanisan/and womenfolk so to the male similitude apportion the two (feminine) shows the god for you lest stray yeh of and the god in every thing know-er

21 male to female ratio siblings mixed
1/6 mother (411), 5/6 siblings mixed 21 male to female

Noon_waalqalami

Peace,

This has been puzzling me for a long time ? where is distribution for exactly two daughters?

411
so if kunna/be (f/p) nisan/womenfolk fawqa/above ith'natayni/two
so for them (f/p) third dual (1/3*2=2/3) what left
and if knat/be she (f/s) widatan/one (f/s) so for her the half

Lane, An Arabic English Lexicon
? thus one says, (Mgh, Msb) i. e. Ten is above nine; meaning ten exceeds nine
... also, in the Kur iii. 12], (Mgh, Msb) exceeding two

Likewise puzzling, where is distribution for 3+ sisters?

4176
so if knat/be (f/d) ith'natayni/two
so to them dual the third each from what left

The answer I believe has been there the whole time 4176 which is not two sisters.
Read closely the part right after if no child which then gives case for two daughters!

4176
they seek ruling your say the god gives a ruling you in al-kallati/the fatherless spouseless
if im'ru-on/person perished not for him waladun/born (child)
and for him sister so for her half what left
and he inherits it if not that be for her waladun/born (child)

so if knat/be (f/d) ith'natayni/two (daughters!)
so to them dual the third each from what left

and if be they of ikh'watan/siblings rijlan/menfolk of wanisan/and womenfolk
so to the male similitude share the two (feminine)

Kalala case - fatherless spouseless, no child
1 sister 1/2, mother 1/2
2+ sisters, mother (share equally)

1+ brothers 5/6, mother 1/6 (411)

If siblings mixed 21 male to female (4176)
1/6 mother (411), 5/6 siblings mixed 21 ratio

Kalala case - fatherless spouseless, no son
3+ daughters 2/3 (411), sibling/s 1/3 (If siblings mixed 21 male to female 4176)
2 daughters 2/3 (4176), sibling/s 1/3
1 daughter 1/2 (411), sibling/s 1/2

3+ daughters 2/3 (411), (sister/s, mother) 1/3 share equally
2 daughters 2/3 (4176), (sister/s, mother) 1/3 share equally
1 daughter 1/2 (411), (sister/s, mother) 1/2 share equally

3+ daughters 2/3 (411), mother 1/6, brother/s 1/6
2 daughters 2/3 (4176), mother 1/6, brother/s 1/6
1 daughter 1/2 (411), mother 1/6, brother/s 1/3

3+ daughters 2/3 (411), mother 1/6, siblings mixed 1/6 (21 male to female 4176)
2 daughters 2/3 (4176), mother 1/6, siblings mixed 1/6
1 daughter 1/2 (411), mother 1/6, siblings mixed 1/3

412
and if be rajulun/man inherited kallatan (fatherless spouseless) or im'ra-atun/lady
and to him brother or sister so to each one from them dual the sixth
so if kn/be they of more from such so they partners in the third

Kalala case - fatherless spouseless, has son
1/6 sister/brother, 5/6 son/s or children mixed (21 male to female 411)
1/3 siblings, 2/3 son/s or children mixed

It needs to be resolved in 412 language to distinguish presence of son else contradicts if only daughters?

Noon_waalqalami

Kalala case - fatherless spouseless, has son
1/6 sister/brother, 5/6 son/s or children mixed (21 male to female 411)
1/3 siblings, 2/3 son/s or children mixed

It needs to be resolved in 412 language to distinguish presence of son else contradicts if only daughters?

Peace everyone,

Final notes to explain logic especially Kalala (fatherless spouseless daughterless).

Cannot say Kalala is fatherless spouseless with son then say in 4176 if no child.
That would be contradictory, like defining Kalala fatherless then say if no parent!

4176 siblings mixed no child (21 male to female) and father ? unsolvable! Father cannot inherit with siblings.
412 wife 1/4 no child, 1/2 sister (4176 no child) ? 1/4 too much! Spouse cannot inherit with siblings.
411 daughter 1/2, sibling 1/6 (412) ? 1/3 too much! Daughters cannot inherit with siblings.

411
directs you the god in awldikum/children yours
lildhakari/to the male similitude share al-unthayayni/the two (feminine)

If children mixed 21 male to female ratio

so if kunna/be (f/p) nisan/womenfolk fawqa/above two so for them (f/p) third dual (1/3*2 = 2/3) what left

3 daughters 2/3 (2/9 each), parent/s and/or spouse 1/3

Lane, An Arabic English Lexicon
? thus one says, (Mgh, Msb) i. e. Ten is above nine; meaning ten exceeds nine
... Kur iii. 12], (Mgh, Msb) exceeding two.

2 daughters 2/3 (4176), parent/s and/or spouse 1/3

and if knat/be she (f/s) widatan/one (f/s) so for her the half

1 daughter 1/2, parent/s and/or spouse 1/2

and to parents dual his to each one from them dual the sixth from what left if kna/be (m/s) for him waladun/born (son)

1/6 mother, 1/6 father, 2/3 son/s or if children mixed 21 male to female

so if not yakun/that be for him waladun/born (child) and heirs parents dual his so to mother his the third

1/3 mother, 2/3 father

so if kna/be (s/m) for him ikh'watun/brother so to mother his the sixth

1/6 mother, 5/6 brother/s

from after a will have made in it or judgment fathers yours and children/sons yours not thou knowing which of them closer to you benefit of obligation from the god surely the god kana/be knowledge of wisdom of

412
and for you half what left azwjukum/spouses yours if not yakun/that be for them (f/p) waladun/born (child)

1/2 husband, 1/2 parent/s

so if kna/be (m/s) for them waladun/born (son) so for you the fourth from what left they (f/p) from after will made they (f/p) in it or judgment

1/4 husband, 1/3 parents (1/6 each), 5/12 son/s or if children mixed 21 male to female

and for them the fourth from what left thou you if not yakun/that be for you waladun/born (child)

1/4 wife, 3/4 parent/s

so if kna/be (s/m) for you waladun/born (son) so to them the eight from what left thou you from after will thou making in it or judgment

1/8 wife, 1/3 parents (1/6 each), 13/24 son/s or if children mixed 21 male to female

and if kna/be (m/s) rajulun/man inherited kallatan/fatherless spouseless daughterless (i.e. possible heirs are son, mother, and siblings) or im'ra-atun/lady and to him brother or sister so to each one from them dual the sixth

1/6 sister/brother, 5/6 son/s
1/6 sister/brother, 1/6 mother (411), 2/3 son/s

so if kn/be they of more from such so they partners in the third

1/3 siblings (share equally), 2/3 son/s
1/3 siblings (share equally), 1/6 mother (411), 1/2 son/s

from after will is recommended in it or judgment other than harmful will from the god and the god knower forbearer

4176
they seek ruling your say the god gives a ruling you in al-kallati/the fatherless spouseless daughterless if im'ru-on/person perished not for him waladun/born (child) and for him sister so for her half what left and he inherits it if not yakun/that be for her waladun/born (child)

Kalala case - (no child)
1 sister 1/2, mother 1/2
2+ sisters, mother (share equally)
1+ brothers 5/6, mother 1/6 (411)

so if knat/be (f/d) ith'natayni/two (daughters!) so to them dual (f/d) the third each (1/3 + 1/3 = /3) from what left

2 daughters 2/3 (see 411)

and if kn /be they of ikh'watan/siblings rijlan/menfolk of wanisan/and womenfolk falildhakari/so to the male similitude share al-unthayayni the two (feminine)

If siblings mixed 21 male to female ratio
1/6 mother (411), 5/6 siblings mixed 21 male to female ratio

shows the god for you lest stray yeh of and the god in every thing knower

taalibul_ilm

SubhaanAllah, 27 pages of confusion. As with any topic, in-depth discussion requires that you know the topic being discussed.

No need for such discussion when the `ulamaa' have already explained everything.

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JavaLatte

No need for such discussion when the `ulamaa' have already explained everything.

Bold To be honest, I dislike this statement.

So, how do you know that 'the ulamaa' have already explained everything?

Are they "gods"?

taalibul_ilm

Bold To be honest, I dislike this statement.

So, how do you know that 'the ulamaa' have already explained everything?

Are they "gods"?

To be honest, I saw this comment coming from a mile away.

Never said they were gods, but they know the deen better than us. You guys like to play the mantra of "Qur'an only", right? How about when Allah says, "Ask the people of knowledge if you do not know".

When you follow a madhab, you are following a group of scholars. Its the safe road. And honeslty speaking, the question of madhabs does not even really come up when talking about inheritance, as there is very little ikhtilaaf in inheritance laws. All scholars agree on almost every ruling when it comes to inheritance.

Entire volumes have been written on this topic by the `ulamaa in great detail, masha'Allah. And here you are, 27 pages, still as confused as ever.

Make your life easy, and take the deen from people who know more than you. If you try to figure out every ruling for yourself, you'll end up with a headache, and still have no understanding of the issue.