Inheritance according to Qur?an

BobaFett

Selam noon.

I was wondering if you could help me with something?

Wife1/8 = 3/24
Daughters 2/3 = 16/24
Father 1/6 = 4/24
Mother1/6 = 4/24

Total = 27/24

I understand the math you used to solve this. I just want to know what makes your translation correct?

411 directs you The God in your children to the male like share the two (feminine) so if be females above two (feminine) so for them two thirds what left and if she was one so for her the half and for their parents to each one from them the sixth from what left if is to person walad/son so if not is to person waladun child/born and heirs person?s parents (if only parents) so to his mother the third so if is to person ikh'watun brothers/siblings (at least one male present) so to his mother the sixth from after a will have made in it or judgment your parents and your children not you know which of them closer to you benefit obligation from The God indeed The God is Knowing Wise

Why is translated as "son" in the first use and "child/born" in the second?

Noon_waalqalami

Why is translated as "son" in the first use and "child/born" in the second?

Peace BobaFett,

Daughters = 2/3
411
... so if kunna/be (f/p) nisan/womenfolk fawqa/above two (f) so for them third dual (2/3) what left

Parents (variable, no son)
411
... and to parents dual said person?s to each one from them dual the sixth from what left if kna/be (m/s) for said person waladun/offspring (i.e. son)

Wife variable if conditions are false 1. has daughters 2. no son
412
... and for them the fourth from what left thou you if not yakun/that be for you waladun/offspring (child)
so if kna/be (s/m) for you waladun/offspring (son) so to them the eight from what left

Therefore the remaining 1/3 is equally dispersed to wife, mother, and father 1/9 each.

BobaFett

Peace, and thank you for your response Noon, but I am still not sure why in 411, is translated as "son" in the first instance and "child" the second?

Noon_waalqalami

Peace, and thank you for your response Noon, but I am still not sure why in 411, is translated as "son" in the first instance and "child" the second?

Peace and you are welcome BobaFett,

kna/be (m/s) always refers/points to male; like asking if "he" be offspring (i.e. son) in English

411 ... so if kna/be (s/m) for said person ikh'watun (i.e. male sibling/brother) so to mother said person?s the sixth

yakun/that be can refer/point to either gender; e.g.

411... so if not yakun/that be for said person waladun/offspring (child)

2196... such to who not yakun/that be ahluhu/family said person's present ...

1121 say he the god one
1122 the god the eternal
1123 not yalid/begets and not ylad/begotten
1124 and not yakun/that be to him equivalent of one

BobaFett

Thank you Noon, that's exactly what I was looking for.

EDIT Sorry, I have one more question, what do the (s/m) (m/s) mean?

Noon_waalqalami

Thank you Noon, that's exactly what I was looking for.

You're welcome BobaFett only way math works toggle if son/child present, etc.

2/3 3+ daughters (411), 1/3 husband (variable if son=false; if no child=false)
1/2 sister (4176 no child), 1/2 mother (variable if son=false; if brother=false)

EDIT Sorry, I have one more question, what do the (s/m) (m/s) mean?

I use for gender which Arabic is male dominant language thus often depends on context.

al-unthayayni/the two (f/d - feminine dual)

so if kunna/be (f/p - feminine plural)
falahunna/so for them (f/p)

and if knat/be she (f/s - feminine singular)
whidatan/one (f/s)

if kna/be (m/s - masculine singular)
so if kna/be (m/s) for said person ikh'watun (i.e. if brother present).

surely the god kana/be (m/s) knowledgeable wisdom of

Suppliant

Peace Noon,

I'm sorry if you have already addressed this, but I can't seem to find this situation on your first page with all the scenarios put forth. I also saw that you had a correction a few pages back. Has this been reflected on the first page by any chance? It would be good to have that page with the most up-to-date info for your calculations.

How should the inheritance be for 1 son and 1 daughter? I do not believe parents will inherit in this case, as it is quoted from 411 "...And to his parents, each one of them shall have one sixth of what is inherited, if he has a child...." (free-minds.org translation). Since there are children, parents do not inherit.

Is it obvious that the they both receive half the inheritance? Or should this part of the ayah be applied 411 "...To the male shall be as that given to two females." even though there aren't two females?

Thanks in advance!

Noon_waalqalami

Peace Suppliant,

I'm sorry if you have already addressed this, but I can't seem to find this situation on your first page with all the scenarios put forth. I also saw that you had a correction a few pages back. Has this been reflected on the first page by any chance? It would be good to have that page with the most up-to-date info for your calculations.

Not sure if the first page can be updated.

How should the inheritance be for 1 son and 1 daughter? I do not believe parents will inherit in this case, as it is quoted from 411 "...And to his parents, each one of them shall have one sixth of what is inherited, if he has a child...." (free-minds.org translation). Since there are children, parents do not inherit.

Is it obvious that the they both receive half the inheritance? Or should this part of the ayah be applied 411 "...To the male shall be as that given to two females." even though there aren't two females?

If son=true thus parents receive 1/3 (1/6 each) remaining 2/3 distributed at 21 male to female ratio.
Not about two females ratio is given for any combination of males and females else 4176 contradicts.

4176 ...
and if be they of (2+) siblings rijlan/menfolk of wanisan/and womenfolk
so to the male similitude apportion al-unthayayni/the two (feminine)

si_di

47For the men is a portion from what the parents and the relatives left behind, and for the women is a portion from what the parents and relatives left behind, be it little or much; a forced portion.

One can read the above vers in a genetic sense,relatives here is meant to be the grandparents of the woman and the men(motherly/fatherly branch)

48 And if the distribution is attended by the relatives and the orphans and the needy, then you shall give them part of it and say to them a kind saying.

In this vers relatives is given in a General term "dul kurba" and is not same as in 47 .
And when the birth to a child happened with relative cromosome(trisomi-21) and orpaned cromosome(Turner-syndrome) and with cromosome abrogations(lack of intelligence),their "rizq" is from that genetic material,so talk to him in a Kind way because you consist of the same geniticpool.

Thats a thougt of mine so don?t take it serious with your comments.

salam

Noon_waalqalami

And when the birth to a child happened with relative cromosome(trisomi-21) and orpaned cromosome(Turner-syndrome) and with cromosome abrogations(lack of intelligence),their "rizq" is from that genetic material,so talk to him in a Kind way because you consist of the same geniticpool.

Thats a thougt of mine so don?t take it serious with your comments.

Peace sidi,

Not about genetics; cannot inherit chromosomes from spouses.

412 and for you half what left spouses yours...

si_di

Peace sidi,

Not about genetics; cannot inherit chromosomes from spouses.

412 and for you half what left spouses yours...

Well i have slight guess what 412 is about after 411 was ending with the glorification of Allah i think the above verse is a different one dealing with another subject.I think it is about the fertility or unfertility of men and woman.
This is a difficult field gentic not long ago ingeneers recently found that x-cromosome also inherit unfertility in the past they blame it on the males y-cromosome.
Don't worry NoonWaaqalmi this was the last post of me. giveup

Noon_waalqalami

Don't worry NoonWaaqalmi this was the last post of me. giveup

Peace and no worries si di,

I too have a theory not only are physical traits inherited/encoded from our ancestors also prior knowledge.

BobaFett

Thanks again Noon!

Noon_waalqalami

Peace everyone, was taking a closer look at Kalala in 412 believe may refer to inheritor as in ...

7128 said Musa/Moses to folk his that seek help ye of in the god and have patience ye of surely the earth to god yrithuh/he causes to inherit her/it whom he wills from servants his and the end for the righteous

http//corpus.quran.com/wordimage?id=21126 http//corpus.quran.com/wordimage?id=9949

412 ... and if kna/be (m/s) rajulun/man yrathu/he heirs (i.e. leaves as heir) kalalatan (feminine indefinite noun -- fatherless attribute) or im'ra-atun/woman (feminine indefinite noun) and to him/said person brother or sister so to each one from them dual the sixth so if kn/be they of (2+) more from such so they partners in the third

Whereas 4176 refers to the departed ...

4176 they seek ruling your say the god gives ruling you in al-kallati (feminine noun -- fatherless attribute) if im'ru-on/person perished not for him/said person waladun/offspring (son) and for him/said person sister so for her half what left and he (i.e. brother) yarithuh/inherits her/it if not yakun/that be for her waladun/offspring (child)

Mazhar

One verb is passive, other is active.

Kalalatan is a verbal noun; not feminine noun. It refers to a state of being.

Noon_waalqalami

One verb is passive, other is active.

Kalalatan is a verbal noun; not feminine noun. It refers to a state of being.

Peace Mazar, yes thank you they read incorrectly and tagged it as feminine noun.

http//corpus.quran.com/wordmorphology.jsp?location=(41254)
http//corpus.quran.com/wordmorphology.jsp?location=(41766)

Inheritance dealing with wealth would be first prone to corruption.

Hence we read ...

412 ... and if kna/be rajulun/man yrathu/leaves heir kalalatan or im'ra-atun/woman

If deceased man left as heir kalala (fatherless son/s)

or

If deceased man left as heir a woman (i.e. wife)

These are combinations which without fatherless son/s or wife mathematically contradict.

1/1 (1 daughter 21 ratio son/s)
1/1 (2+ daughters 21 ratio son/s)

1/2 wife 1/2 1 daughter
1/3 wife 1/6 brother 1/2 1 daughter
1/3 wife 1/6 mother 1/2 1 daughter
1/3 wife 1/6 sister 1/2 1 daughter
1/3 wife 2/3 2+ daughters
1/4 wife 3/4 mother
1/4 wife 3/5 mother 1/6 sister

1/6 brother 1/6 sister 2/3 (1 daughter 21 ratio son/s)
1/6 brother 1/6 sister 2/3 (2+ daughters 21 ratio son/s)
1/6 brother 1/6 sister 2/3 son/s
1/6 brother 5/6 (1 daughter 21 ratio son/s)
1/6 brother 5/6 (2+ daughters 21 ratio son/s)
1/6 brother 5/6 son/s

1/6 mother 1/6 brother 1/6 sister 1/2 (1 daughter 21 ratio son/s)
1/6 mother 1/6 brother 1/6 sister 1/2 (2+ daughters 21 ratio son/s)
1/6 mother 1/6 brother 1/6 sister 1/2 son/s
1/6 mother 1/6 brother 2/3 (1 daughter 21 ratio son/s)
1/6 mother 1/6 brother 2/3 (2+ daughters 21 ratio son/s)
1/6 mother 1/6 brother 2/3 son/s
1/6 mother 1/6 sister 2/3 (1 daughter 21 ratio son/s)
1/6 mother 1/6 sister 2/3 (2+ daughters 21 ratio son/s)
1/6 mother 1/6 sister 2/3 son/s
1/6 mother 5/6 (1 daughter 21 ratio son/s)
1/6 mother 5/6 (2+ daughters 21 ratio son/s)
1/6 mother 5/6 son/s

1/6 sister 5/6 (1 daughter 21 ratio son/s)
1/6 sister 5/6 (2+ daughters 21 ratio son/s)
1/6 sister 5/6 son/s

1/6 wife 1/6 brother 1/6 sister 1/2 1 daughter
1/6 wife 1/6 brother 2/3 2+ daughters
1/6 wife 1/6 mother 1/6 brother 1/2 1 daughter
1/6 wife 1/6 mother 2/3 2+ daughters
1/6 wife 1/6 sister 2/3 2+ daughters
1/8 wife 1/6 brother 1/6 sister 1/2 (1 daughter 21 ratio son/s)
1/8 wife 1/6 brother 1/6 sister 1/2 (2+ daughters 21 ratio son/s)
1/8 wife 1/6 brother 1/6 sister 1/2 son/s
1/8 wife 1/6 brother 5/7 (1 daughter 21 ratio son/s)
1/8 wife 1/6 brother 5/7 (2+ daughters 21 ratio son/s)
1/8 wife 1/6 brother 5/7 son/s
1/8 wife 1/6 mother 1/6 brother 1/2 (1 daughter 21 ratio son/s)
1/8 wife 1/6 mother 1/6 brother 1/2 (2+ daughters 21 ratio son/s)
1/8 wife 1/6 mother 1/6 brother 1/2 son/s
1/8 wife 1/6 mother 1/6 brother 1/6 sister 3/8 (1 daughter 21 ratio son/s)
1/8 wife 1/6 mother 1/6 brother 1/6 sister 3/8 (2+ daughters 21 ratio son/s)
1/8 wife 1/6 mother 1/6 brother 1/6 sister 3/8 son/s
1/8 wife 1/6 mother 1/6 sister 1/2 (1 daughter 21 ratio son/s)
1/8 wife 1/6 mother 1/6 sister 1/2 (2+ daughters 21 ratio son/s)
1/8 wife 1/6 mother 1/6 sister 1/2 son/s
1/8 wife 1/6 mother 5/7 (1 daughter 21 ratio son/s)
1/8 wife 1/6 mother 5/7 (2+ daughters 21 ratio son/s)
1/8 wife 1/6 mother 5/7 son/s
1/8 wife 1/6 sister 5/7 (1 daughter 21 ratio son/s)
1/8 wife 1/6 sister 5/7 (2+ daughters 21 ratio son/s)
1/8 wife 1/6 sister 5/7 son/s
1/8 wife 7/8 (1 daughter 21 ratio son/s)
1/8 wife 7/8 (2+ daughters 21 ratio son/s)
1/8 wife 7/8 son/s

Mazhar

412 ... and if kna/be rajulun/man yrathu/leaves heir kalalatan or im'ra-atun/woman

If deceased man left as heir kalala (fatherless son/s)

or

If deceased man left as heir a woman (i.e. wife)

Both the red nouns are the subject noun for deficient verb by conjunction through "aau". Either man or a woman can be

A man can die in the state that he was all by himself ; and so can a woman die in such state.

Noon_waalqalami

Both the red nouns are the subject noun for deficient verb by conjunction through "aau". Either man or a woman can be

A man can die in the state that he was all by himself ; and so can a woman die in such state.

Peace -- yes most definitely without a spouse and much confusion on exact meaning...

The Qur'anic Term Kalala
Studies in Arabic Language and Poetry, Hadit, Tafsir, and Fiqh Notes on the Origins of Islamic Law
Edition 1
Author Agostino Cilardo

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http//www.amazon.com/The-Quranic-Term-Kalala-Monograph/dp/074861916X

David S. Powers ?BNF 328a and the Mystery of al-Kalala?
http//rorotoko.com/interview/20090904_powers_david_muhammad_not_father_any_your_men_making_last_prophet/?page=2

http//corpus.quran.com/wordmorphology.jsp?location=(41254)
http//corpus.quran.com/wordmorphology.jsp?location=(41766)

The best approach is to take the non-contradicting meaning to extrapolate definition...

motherless contradicts!
411 ... so if be for said person ikh'watun/brother so to mother said person the sixth

childless contradicts!
4176 ... and he inheritor hers if not that be for her waladun/offspring (child)
1/4 (412) wife + 1/6 (412) sister = 5/12!
1/4 (412) wife + 1/2 (4176) sister = 3/4!

fatherless contradicts! (see above)

fatherless & no son contradicts! (see above)
1/4 (412) wife + 2/3 (411) daughters + 1/3 (412) siblings + 1/2 (4176) sister = 1 3/4 + 0 to mother!

fatherless & no daughter contradicts! (see above)
1/6 (411) mother + 1/8 (412) wife + 1/3 (412) siblings + 1/2 (4176) sister = 1 1/8 + 0 to son!

fatherless & childless contradicts! (see above)
1/6 mother 1/6 (412) brother + 1/2 (4176) sister = 5/6!
1/6 (411) mother + 1/6 sister + 1/6 brother = 1/2!

no spouse alone contradicts!
1/3 (411) parents + 1/3 (412) siblings + 1/2 (4176) sister = 1 + 0 to children!
2/3 (411) daughters + 1/2 (4176) sister = 1 1/3 + 0 to parents!

no spouse & no son contradicts! (see above)

no spouse & childless contradicts!
4176 ... and he inheritor hers if not that be for her waladun/offspring (child)
1/6 mother + 1/6 (412) brother + 1/2 (4176) sister = 5/6!

fatherless & no spouse contradicts!
1/6 mother (411 if brother) + 2/3 (411) daughters + 1/3 (412) siblings = 1 1/6!
1/2 (411) daughter + 1/6 (412) sister = 2/3!

If using Algebra or al-Awl as some suggest to reduce/increase amounts evenly would make all the above definitions valid!

Hence below is the only two attribute definition which does not contradict!
IF kalala no spouse & no daughter/s! (412 if son else use 4176 no child)
1/6 mother + 1/3 father + 1/2 (4176) sister/s = 1
1/6 father + 1/6 (412) brother + 2/3 son = 1
4176 (father + siblings mixed 21 ratio) = 1

411
instructs you the god in awldikum/offspring yours lildhakari/to the male similitude apportion al-unthayayni/the two (feminine)

so if kunna/be (f/p) nisan/womenfolk fawqa/above two (f/d) so for them (f/p i.e. 3+) third dual (1/3 x 2 = 2/3) what left

and if knat/be she (f/s) widatan/one (f/s) so for her al-ni'fu/the half

wali-abawayhi/and to parents dual said person to each one from them dual the sixth from what left if kna/be (m/s) for said person waladun/offspring (son) so if not yakun that be for said person waladun/offspring (child) wawarithahu/and bestows to inherit said person parents dual said person so to mother said person the third so if kna/be (s/m) for said person ikh'watun/brother so to mother said person the sixth from after will instructs in it or judgment

fathers yours and sons yours not thou knowing which of them closer to you benefit of obligation from the god surely the god be knowledgeable wisdom of

412
and for you half what left azwjukum/spouses yours if not yakun that be for them waladun/offspring (child) so if kna/be (m/s) for them waladun/offspring (son) so for you the fourth from what left they from after will made they in it or judgment

and for them the fourth from what left you if not yakun that be for you waladun/offspring (child) so if kna/be (s/m) for you waladun/offspring (son) so to them the eight from what left you from after will thou making in it or judgment

and if kna/be (m/s) rajulun/man yrathu/he bestows to inherit kalalatan (spouse-less without daughter) or im'ra-atun/woman and to said person brother or sister so to each one from them dual the sixth so if kn/be they of (2+) more from such so they partners in the third from after will instructs in it or judgment other than harmful will from the god and the god knower tolerant

4176
they seek ruling your say the god gives ruling you in al-kalalati (the spouseless without daughter) if im'ru-on/person perished not for him waladun/offspring (child) and for him sister so for her half what left and he yarithuh/he inheritor hers if not yakun that be for her waladun/offspring (child)

so if knat/be dual ith'natayni/two (i.e. daughters) so to them dual (f/d) the third each (1/3 + 1/3 = 2/3) from what left

and if kn /be they of (2+) ikh'watan/siblings rijlan/menfolk of wanisan/and womenfolk falildhakari/so to the male similitude apportion al-unthayayni/the two (feminine)

shows the god for you lest/that stray ye of and the god in every thing knower

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Mazhar

A bachelor died at age 40 leaving behind father, sister and adopted son. What will be the distribution according to Grand Qur'aan. The man left a will that all his inheritance goes to his adopted son.

good_logic

Peace Mazhar.

Then the "will" is the outcome.
Qoran encourages a person to make a will. The rules are there in case one does not leave a will.

A believer will be fair to all his/her next of kin when making a wiil- i.e take the Qoran s advice-.

GOD bless you.
Peace.