Inheritance according to Qur?an
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Where did you get that 1 sister & 1 brother get 2/3?
What happened to the other 20 gold coins to you?
Where you get twice to male of female if only heirs are 1 sister & 1 brother?
It is plainly mentioned in 4176
See it here, carefully look at the sequence of narration in Ayah and the last sentence wherein the presence of two females and one male distribution is given.
Inheritance from sibling
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Where did you get that 1 sister & 1 brother get 2/3?What happened to the other 20 gold coins to you?
Where you get twice to male of female if only heirs are 1 sister & 1 brother?
It is plainly mentioned in 4176
See it here, carefully look at the sequence of narration in Ayah and the last sentence wherein the presence of two females and one male distribution is given.
Again you contradict since the 2/3 pertains to exactly two females NOT one male & one female!
4176 ... so if knat/be dual (feminine) ith'natayni/two (females) falahum/so to them dual (feminine) the third each (1/3 + 1/3 = 2/3) from what left
Again you contradict give 40 gold coins 2/3 of 60 gold coins leave 20 gold coins 1/3 to nobody!
4176... and if be they of ikh'watan/siblings rijlan/menfolk of wanisan/and womenfolk so to the male similitude apportion al-unthayayni/the two (females) shows the god for you lest stray ye of and the god in every thing knower
Again you contradict first say Nisaa is 3+ now see/agree above can apply to 1 sister & 1 brother!
Peace and goodbye!
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Again you contradict since the 2/3 pertains to exactly two females NOT one male & one female!
4176 ... so if knat/be dual (feminine) ith'natayni/two (females) falahum/so to them dual (feminine) the third each (1/3 + 1/3 = 2/3) from what left
Again you contradict give 40 gold coins 2/3 of 60 gold coins leave 20 gold coins 1/3 to nobody!
4176... and if be they of ikh'watan/siblings rijlan/menfolk of wanisan/and womenfolk so to the male similitude apportion al-unthayayni/the two (females) shows the god for you lest stray ye of and the god in every thing knower
Again you contradict first say Nisaa is 3+ now see/agree above can apply to 1 sister & 1 brother!
Peace and goodbye!
Oh God, I could never think that you did not know abc of Arabic; and how to read a text. I am astonished to note that you even do not know what is meant and who is who in a verbal sentence comprising a single word.
In case he is such a person who died in condition that a son was not in his progeny;
But a sister survives for him, thereat, half of that which he has left is apportioned for her.
However, if there were two surviving sisters, thereat, two third of that which he the deceased has left is apportioned for them.
Literally it means And if they were brothers and its predicate is plural noun meaning brothers .
The sentence is conditional. If the meanings were restricted to this word the apodosis clause is redundant since it has no relevance to this conditional clause because it refers only males-brothers.
Both the nouns are in accusative case. Preceding verb and predicate noun are masculine plural. It is disambiguation and can also be termed as Equivalent appositive for the preceding noun. The subject noun of the verb refers to at least three persons one of whom must be a male. After this disambiguation/equivalen apposition, the apodosis clause talks about the sharing of two thirds between two sisters and one brother; twice the fortune of female for the male present in composite siblings.
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Oh God, I could never think that you did not know abc of Arabic; and how to read a text. I am astonished to note that you even do not know what is meant and who is who in a verbal sentence comprising a single word.
However, if there were two surviving sisters, thereat, two third of that which he the deceased has left is apportioned for them.
Mazhar, you're really testing my patience already thinking part of your brain to process simple logic is missing.
I asked to you to distribute 60 gold coins 1 brother & 1 sister which you gave 2/3 quoting 4176 above!
That is absurd! That is ignorant! 2/3 is for exactly 2 females! The brother is not castrated!
Of all the people on this site you do add value on a few things and thank you for that although when it comes to questions of applying logic, consistency, and answering simple questions have you in the same category of the numerologists crackpots who post illogical nonsense in the other forum for the mentally challenged.
Peace!
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Then what does this sentence means and connects to according to your logic?
It needs to cover all combinations mixed siblings 1+ sisters 1+ brothers.
4176 and if be they of ikh'watan/siblings
rijlan/menfolk of wanisan/and womenfolk
so to the male similitude apportion the two (females)example 60 gold coins
1 sister (20 coins) 1 brother (40 coins)
2 sisters (30 coins) 1 brother (30 coins)
3 sisters (36 coins) 1 brother (24 coins)http//oi60.tinypic.com/10772ms.jpg
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It needs to cover all combinations mixed siblings 1+ sisters 1+ brothers.
4176 and if be they of ikh'watan/siblings
rijlan/menfolk of wanisan/and womenfolk
so to the male similitude apportion the two (females)example 60 gold coins
1 sister (20 coins) 1 brother (40 coins)
2 sisters (30 coins) 1 brother (30 coins)
3 sisters (36 coins) 1 brother (24 coins)http//oi60.tinypic.com/10772ms.jpg
Then what about this
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Then what about this
4176 kalala ? NOT for him waladun ? is the key difference or toggle
412 kalala waladun present else unknown which verse to apply e.g. 1 sister412 ? and if be rajulun/man bestows to inherit kalalatan or im'ra-atun/woman and to said person brother or sister so to each one from them dual the sixth so if be they of more from such so they partners in the third
Example let?s say 72 gold coins underneath the wall and their father had only a brother/sister or siblings.
1882 and as for the wall so it was for boys two orphans two in the town and be underneath it treasure for them dual and was father theirs dual salih/righteous
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Likewise the uncle/s and/or aunt/s or who they are entrusted should hand over their inheritance upon maturity.
46 and test ye of the bereaved/orphaned until when attained they of the marriage so if perceive you from them right way/rational so deliver ye of to them wealth theirs and not eats/consumes ye it wastefully and hastily of lest/that grow up they of and who be ample of so should refrain and who be in need of so let eat/consume in the right so when deliver you to them wealth theirs so witnesses ye of over them and sufficient in the god reckoner of
Peace
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Mazhar, simple question was asked which again you did not answer?
Please state clearly if deceased man leaves total wealth 60 gold coins only inheritors
1 sister and 1 brother?
How much to each exactly?
Then you said
It needs to cover all combinations mixed siblings 1+ sisters 1+ brothers.
4176 and if be they of ikh'watan/siblings
rijlan/menfolk of wanisan/and womenfolk
so to the male similitude apportion the two (females)example 60 gold coins
1 sister (20 coins) 1 brother (40 coins)
2 sisters (30 coins) 1 brother (30 coins)
3 sisters (36 coins) 1 brother (24 coins)Proposition given was
1 sister and 1 brotherI asked you to explain your distribution keeping this in mind;
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Then you said
Proposition given was
1 sister and 1 brotherI asked you to explain your distribution keeping this in mind;
Mazhar, distributions were given numerous times and you answered nothing!
4176 kalala ? NOT for him waladun ? is the key difference or toggle
e.g. 1 sister (1/3) & 1 brother (2/3) i.e. 21 ratio male to female412 kalala waladun present else unknown which verse to apply e.g. 1 sister
1 sister/brother (1/6) & son/s (5/6)Refer to template posted which you would be torn to pieces in any debate on this topic since you contradict yourself every other post and cannot even give distribution of simple case of 1 sister & 1 brother nor do you know which verse to use only divert keep asking perpetual questions. This is really annoying so if that is your goal to annoy people not answer anything only keep asking perpetual questions, dodge, run away, divert, switch cases, etc., get last word so be it.
The Qur'anic Term Kalala
Studies in Arabic Language and Poetry, Hadit, Tafsir, and Fiqh Notes on the Origins of Islamic Law
Edition 1
Author Agostino Cilardohttp//ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51N%2BX6tg1uL.jpg
http//www.amazon.com/The-Quranic-Term-Kalala-Monograph/dp/074861916X
David S. Powers ?BNF 328a and the Mystery of al-Kalala?
http//rorotoko.com/interview/20090904_powers_david_muhammad_not_father_any_your_men_making_last_prophet/?page=2http//corpus.quran.com/wordmorphology.jsp?location=(41254)
http//corpus.quran.com/wordmorphology.jsp?location=(41766)411
instructs you the god in awldikum/offspring yours lildhakari/to the male similitude apportion al-unthayayni/the two (feminine)so if kunna/be (f/p) nisan/womenfolk fawqa/above two (f/d) so for them (f/p i.e. 3+) third dual (1/3 x 2 = 2/3) what left
and if knat/be she (f/s) widatan/one (f/s) so for her al-ni'fu/the half
wali-abawayhi/and to parents dual said person to each one from them dual the sixth from what left if kna/be (m/s) for said person waladun/offspring (son) so if not yakun that be for said person waladun/offspring (child) wawarithahu/and bestows to inherit said person parents dual said person so to mother said person the third so if kna/be (s/m) for said person ikh'watun/brother so to mother said person the sixth from after will instructs in it or judgment
fathers yours and sons yours not thou knowing which of them closer to you benefit of obligation from the god surely the god be knowledgeable wisdom of
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and for you half what left azwjukum/spouses yours if not yakun that be for them waladun/offspring (child) so if kna/be (m/s) for them waladun/offspring (son) so for you the fourth from what left they from after will made they in it or judgmentand for them the fourth from what left you if not yakun that be for you waladun/offspring (child) so if kna/be (s/m) for you waladun/offspring (son) so to them the eight from what left you from after will thou making in it or judgment
and if kna/be (m/s) rajulun/man yrathu/he bestows to inherit kalalatan (spouse-less without daughter) or im'ra-atun/woman and to said person brother or sister so to each one from them dual the sixth so if kn/be they of (2+) more from such so they partners in the third from after will instructs in it or judgment other than harmful will from the god and the god knower tolerant
4176
they seek ruling your say the god gives ruling you in al-kalalati (the spouseless without daughter) if im'ru-on/person perished not for him waladun/offspring (child) and for him sister so for her half what left and he yarithuh/he inheritor hers if not yakun that be for her waladun/offspring (child)so if knat/be dual ith'natayni/two (i.e. daughters) so to them dual (f/d) the third each (1/3 + 1/3 = 2/3) from what left
and if kn /be they of (2+) ikh'watan/siblings rijlan/menfolk of wanisan/and womenfolk falildhakari/so to the male similitude apportion al-unthayayni/the two (feminine)
shows the god for you lest/that stray ye of and the god in every thing knower
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Then you said
Proposition given was
1 sister and 1 brotherI asked you to explain your distribution keeping this in mind;
Please answer this only about one sister and one brother as you distributed and leave repeating that table made by your imagination without support of words of Qur'aan.
First line syays one brother or one sister, either case they get one-sixth
The other line syas one sister, she gets one half.
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Please answer this only about one sister and one brother as you distributed and leave repeating that table made by your imagination without support of words of Qur'aan.
First line syays one brother or one sister, either case they get one-sixth
The other line syas one sister, she gets one half.
No she gets one half 4176 NOT for him waladun!
CONFIRMS logically IF waladun use 412 (1/6)!
CANNOT have two different amounts to 1 sister!As for my template being imaginary -- you have shown nothing!
You cannot even correctly post simple case 1 sister & 1 brother!
You gave them 2/3 mentioned for 2 females! Left 1/3 to nobody! -
You gave them 2/3 mentioned for 2 females! Left 1/3 to nobody!
Inheritance is distributed by considering two things; the allocations made by Allah, these are mandatory allocation. What remains is according to testation.
In case there is a daughter, two daughters, a daughter and a son; many progenies they are given the mandatory shares. One-half and two=thirds maximum. Left over is according to testation.
Each situation is separately dealt by Allah.
You read things in one go for which reason you are confused as what to do when I place two sentences of Ayah 412 and 4176 side by side about a sister.
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No she gets one half 4176 NOT for him waladun!
CONFIRMS logically IF waladun use 412 (1/6)!
CANNOT have two different amounts to 1 sister!As for my template being imaginary -- you have shown nothing!
You cannot even correctly post simple case 1 sister & 1 brother!
You gave them 2/3 mentioned for 2 females! Left 1/3 to nobody!Where is written in 412 that he has a son?
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Where is written in 412 that he has a son?
Again IF kalala NO son 4176 1 sister = 1/2
THEN kalala with son is 412 1 sister = 1/6Use brain ELSE cannot resolve contradiction!
One-half and two=thirds maximum. Left over is according to testation.
Again that is ridiculus! No testation, he was hit in the head by a brick! brickwall
Again you gave 1 male & 1 female 2/3 allocated for exactly two females!
4176 ... so if knat/be dual (females) ith'natayni/two (females)
falahum/so to them dual (females) the third each (1/3 + 1/3 = 2/3)336... and not the male as the female!
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Again IF kalala NO son 4176 1 sister = 1/2
THEN kalala with son is 412 1 sister = 1/6Use brain ELSE cannot resolve contradiction!
Contradiction is in your brain. It is not brain, but the words of the Book that decide what to give and to whom.
The moment you start using brain to understand the text, you will find the inheritance discourse one of the most simple.
Never forget that testation by the deceased and allocations by Allah the Exalted give the complete disposal of the wealth left by the deceased. The maximum allocation done by Allah the Exalted is two-thirds of the wealth, not the entire wealth. Your basic presumption is erroneous.
Either you do not understand what this clause means and to what part of the preceding sentences it links; or you wish not to consider it part of inheritance discourse.
You also either do not know this clause or wish not to treat it part of the inheritance discourse
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you will find the inheritance discourse one of the most simple.
Yes most simple and the reason you never answer simple questions.
You allocate to male what's for females contradict yourself every post.
Again, you post absurd illogical nonsense and please stop spamming.Peace!
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Hi guys!
I don't want to read all the 53 pages so let's make it short; did we finally find a solution(logical solution!) for that error?Peace McKenna36,
There are few things to research especially meaning of kalala which according to poems (unlikely influenced by sectarian bias) which vary widely on interpretation and can refer to a deceased, living "indirect heir" or either.
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walam/and not I inherit al-majd/the glory al-taleed/the glorious kalala
An Anonymous Poet proclaimed
surely, a father protects more wrathfully his offspring?http//oi62.tinypic.com/sfwg7k.jpg
and patron al-kalalati not gets angry
According to poet, a parent is protective of children whereas not about those under their guardianship.
Thus main issue which verse to apply for 1 sister (1/6) 412 or 1/2 4176?
Distributions work with presence of son kalala (412) and no child (4176)?
Likewise what to do when there are exactly (2) daughters and/or 3+ sisters?
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Hi guys!
I don't want to read all the 53 pages so let's make it short; did we finally find a solution(logical solution!) for that error?I don't want to read even one page!