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Inheritance according to Qur?an

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    Noon_waalqalami
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    Salaam Noon,

    The Quran has it's own rules.
    "... ..."

    see also that 412 and 4176 begin with NISF without AL, but the parts after that are with AL.

    Salaam,
    Bender

    Salaam Bender,

    Yes we know there is half or the half or third or the third or kalala or the kalala, etc.
    What I'm relaying to you is that there is no such word as two third or the two third.

    Have you read the article? http//www.cimt.plymouth.ac.uk/journal/lffract.pdf

    See prior examples; it's third two or the third each or third parts which add to 2/3 we translate as such.

    411 so if are nis above two so for them 2/3

    4176 so if knat/they were (feminine dual) two so to them the third each (1/3 + 1/3)

    7320 third twice (1/3 x 2) the night and half of it (1/2 x 1) and third of it (1/3 x 1)

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      Mazhar
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      Salaam,

      I know exactly what I said. And I believe you also know what my point is. We are not talking about the math.
      So can you please tell me what you read there?

      How naive. You did not give a second thought to realize your simplicity in having asked such question. You say 1/6 + 1/6= 2/6. Thereby you coined a dual word for it.

      Qur'aan also deals with people when they are so simple. Note carefully how Qur'aan is teaching you simple mathematics alongwith Arabic

      Again see your proposition
      1/6 + 1/6= 2/6-------it is
      1/3 one third.

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        StopS
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        How naive. You did not give a second thought to realize your simplicity in having asked such question. You say 1/6 + 1/6= 2/6. Thereby you coined a dual word for it.

        Qur'aan also deals with people when they are so simple. Note carefully how Qur'aan is teaching you simple mathematics alongwith Arabic

        Again see your proposition
        1/6 + 1/6= 2/6-------it is
        1/3 one third.

        At the risk of being called naive and simple

        Is this what the Arabic in the Koran says

        = 1/6 + 1/6 = 2/6 = 1/3?

        Google translate says Every one of them gets one-sixth
        -[ giveup

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          Bender
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          Salaam Bender,

          Yes we know there is half or the half or third or the third or kalala or the kalala, etc.
          What I'm relaying to you is that there is no such word as two third or the two third.

          Have you read the article? http//www.cimt.plymouth.ac.uk/journal/lffract.pdf

          See prior examples; it's third two or the third each or third parts which add to 2/3 we translate as such.

          Salaam Noon,

          I took a quick look at the article. But that was not my point.
          InshaAllah I will study this a bit better and come back to you.

          Salaam,
          Bender

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            Bender
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            How naive. You did not give a second thought to realize your simplicity in having asked such question. You say 1/6 + 1/6= 2/6. Thereby you coined a dual word for it.

            Qur'aan also deals with people when they are so simple. Note carefully how Qur'aan is teaching you simple mathematics alongwith Arabic

            Again see your proposition
            1/6 + 1/6= 2/6-------it is
            1/3 one third.

            Salaam,

            What you don't understand or refuse to understand is that I am not intrested in the math.
            I took 6 because that was the first number I saw in 411

            Let's try it again now with a prime, inshaAllah you will now focus on my question instead of the math.
            "... ..."
            If an arab reads this, what does he read here
            1/5 or 2/5 or n/5 where 2<n<5 or does he read parts of 1/5 where parts is any number >1 thus it could also be 17 x 1/5

            InshaAllah you will now focus on what I am asking instead of being the smart guy.
            And I will appreciate it if you can give me a verse from The Quran where this concept is supported.

            Salaam,
            Bender

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              Mazhar
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              At the risk of being called naive and simple

              Is this what the Arabic in the Koran says

              = 1/6 + 1/6 = 2/6 = 1/3?

              Google translate says Every one of them gets one-sixth
              -[ giveup

              Yes 1/6 and 1/6 of a quanity becomes collectively 1/3. In case the brother and sister each of whom gets one sixth are more than two the share will remain the same measuring 1/3 for all of them.

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                StopS
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                Yes 1/6 and 1/6 of a quanity becomes collectively 1/3. In case the brother and sister each of whom gets one sixth are more than two the share will remain the same measuring 1/3 for all of them.

                Am I that unclear? I am NOT talking about the veracity of mathematics. Every schoolboy knows that.

                I asked

                "Is this what the Arabic in the Koran says"?

                I asked this because you claimed that "Qur'aan is teaching you simple mathematics" and then said "1/6 + 1/6= 2/6-------it is 1/3 one third" along with Arabic script.

                Does the Koran really say 1/6 + 1/6 = 2/6 = 1/3?
                I can't find this in the Koran. When entering the sentence you quoted it does not mention that, so I was asking for clarification.

                I do not understand how what you are saying and what I find in the Koran fit together.

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                  Mazhar
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                  Am I that unclear? I am NOT talking about the veracity of mathematics. Every schoolboy knows that.

                  I asked

                  "Is this what the Arabic in the Koran says"?

                  I asked this because you claimed that "Qur'aan is teaching you simple mathematics" and then said "1/6 + 1/6= 2/6-------it is 1/3 one third" along with Arabic script.

                  Does the Koran really say 1/6 + 1/6 = 2/6 = 1/3?
                  I can't find this in the Koran. When entering the sentence you quoted it does not mention that, so I was asking for clarification.

                  I do not understand how what you are saying and what I find in the Koran fit together.

                  Mathematics is represented by digits. And mathematics is verbally partrayed by words. When we do not write 2/6 in mathematics since it is divisible yielding 1/3 which is verbally described by a single word. This was also quoted in the part of Ayah

                  I just repeated the quote of another member who said 1/6 + 1/6 = 2/6

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                    Mazhar
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                    It might help if gone through entirely

                    Fractions
                    http//www.learnarabiconline.com/arabic-numbers.shtml

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                      StopS
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                      It might help if gone through entirely

                      No, this does not help at all.

                      How can explaining numbers and mathematics help when I am asking a question relating to words used in the Koran?

                      Do you also want to explain how a car wash works in time cycles or the sink rate of a 747 in m/sec? None of these have anything to do with my question. Is it possible to answer a straight question with a straight answer?

                      If I ask a question about a sentence and the representation, I am not asking about the origins of the representation.

                      You claimed that "1/6 + 1/6= 2/6-------it is 1/3 one third" along with Arabic script.
                      I don't care whether this was in reply to anyone.

                      The following expects and answer in the form yes/no
                      Does the Koran really say 1/6 + 1/6 = 2/6 = 1/3?

                      If you answer yes, I will ask where, please show me.
                      and if you answer no, then I will ask why do you bring it up then?

                      So, do you care to qualify and rephrase what you actually want to say?

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                        Mazhar
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                        The One sixth is for each of those two, thereby if they are more than two, thereat they all are sharers in the one third.

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                          The One sixth is for each of those two, thereby if they are more than two, thereat they all are sharers in the one third.

                          Thank you. You have clarified it for me. This is what I understood. All I need to do now is irrefutably clarify when and under what conditions this applies.

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                            Mazhar
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                            Thank you. You have clarified it for me. This is what I understood. All I need to do now is irrefutably clarify when and under what conditions this applies.

                            Yes, I clarified it for you. Perhaps I bothered you as I gathered from your earlier post. To tell you the truth when I quoted you I had taken it as Bender post, not yours. Thanks.

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                              Bender
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                              I just repeated the quote of another member who said 1/6 + 1/6 = 2/6

                              Salaam,

                              I think you are referring to me.
                              I didn't say that, and even if I said it, is 1/6 + 1/6 not 2/6?

                              And for the record
                              The part of the ayaat that you quoted that teaches 1/6 + 1/6 =1/3 for someone simple like me does not teach that.
                              It says if there are more then 2 then only 1/3 for all of them. Do you understand the difference.

                              If not take al look at 476
                              "...If a person passes away and has no children but has a sister, then she shall receive half of what he leaves behind. And he will inherit from her if she has no child. However, if he has two sisters, then they will receive two thirds of what he left behind;..."
                              is 1/2 + 1/2 = 2/3 hmm

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                                Mazhar
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                                It says if there are more then 2 then only 1/3 for all of them. Do you understand the difference.

                                This is the part of statement which you have not quoted. First is two getting each 1/6th but if they are more that two they will share 1/3rd. Those two getting each 1/6th are sharing with all, 1/6+1/6=1/3. What could be more simplistic?

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                                  Bender
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                                  This is the part of statement which you have not quoted. First is two getting each 1/6th but if they are more that two they will share 1/3rd. Those two getting each 1/6th are sharing with all, 1/6+1/6=1/3. What could be more simplistic?

                                  Salaam,

                                  If it's like what you said then it would not have been but thuluthu-huma or something like that (you are the grammar expert). Also please check the example I gave of 4176

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                                    Mazhar
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                                    If not take al look at 476
                                    "...If a person passes away and has no children but has a sister, then she shall receive half of what he leaves behind. And he will inherit from her if she has no child. However, if he has two sisters, then they will receive two thirds of what he left behind;..."
                                    is 1/2 + 1/2 = 2/3

                                    I do not see by what logic you are drawing this sort of inference. What is said therein is that in case there is one sister she will receive half, but if there are two sisters they both will obtain 2/3rd. Only Noon might make you understand about mathematics.

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                                      Bender
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                                      I do not see by what logic you are drawing this sort of inference. What is said therein is that in case there is one sister she will receive half, but if there are two sisters they both will obtain 2/3rd. Only Noon might make you understand about mathematics.

                                      Salaam,

                                      InshaAllah one day you will understand pr
                                      Try to read you own messages first. I just used the same logic as you did, to show you your wrong logic.
                                      I am done with you, have a nice day.

                                      Salaam,
                                      Bender

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                                        Noon_waalqalami
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                                        If not take al look at 476
                                        "...If a person passes away and has no children but has a sister, then she shall receive half of what he leaves behind. And he will inherit from her if she has no child. However, if he has two sisters, then they will receive two thirds of what he left behind;..."
                                        is 1/2 + 1/2 = 2/3 hmm

                                        Salaam Bender, it's not read like that i.e. two thirds (no such word) read as stated ...
                                        412 so/ELSE IF kn they were greater from that so they partners in the third
                                        4176 .. so/ELSE IF knat/they were (feminine dual) two so to them the third for each

                                        2 sisters mother
                                        1 ? (1/3 + 1/3 = 2/3) = 1/3 mother (variable, no son/brother)

                                        Trying to figure out 411 and believe was read incorrectly and should be read like this?
                                        411 so/ELSE IF kunna/are nisa above two so to them third for what left

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                                          Mazhar
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                                          4176 .. so/ELSE IF knat/they were (feminine dual) two so to them the third for each

                                          Sorry Noon, there is no such word in Ayah "for each". "thereby, two third is for them "

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