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:: Who brought AlQuraan/AlKitaab? Muhammed? NO!!! ::

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    Mazhar
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    Salaamun alayka,

    I am not sure, but it looks to me that you have changed your direction several times during this conversation. That is ofcourse not a bad thing but at the moment I am not even sure what we are discussing.
    Anway, do you still believe that "and died in that state" belongs in your translation of 986? If you still believe so, then be sure to implement it also in 1032 and all other ayaats with similar stucture like 986.
    Even better is ofcourse to delete it from your translation of 986 as you know very well that if Allah wanted to say that, then for sure He does not need your help on it.

    Salaam,
    Bender

    ps. sorry MmKhan for fftopic

    Salamun alaika,

    No change of direction; the problem in comprehending the otherwise simple things is only because you are not taking care how the prepositional phrases in sentences are linked to the semantics of the sentence. The preposition and its object noun determine the elided predicate. When the object noun changes the predicate is not the same at both places.

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      Bender
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      Salamun alaika,

      No change of direction; the problem in comprehending the otherwise simple things is only because you are not taking care how the prepositional phrases in sentences are linked to the semantics of the sentence. The preposition and its object noun determine the elided predicate. When the object noun changes the predicate is not the same at both places.

      Salaamun alayka,

      It might be that I'm a litle bit slow in understanding things, so maybe you can help me a bit to understand better.

      Can you please translate for me the next sentence please, it's not Quran.
      Inna allatheena kafaroo min ahli alkitabi waalmushrikeena fee cold of Alaska khalideena feeha.

      Salaam and thx!
      Bender

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        Mazhar
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        Salaamun alayka,

        It might be that I'm a litle bit slow in understanding things, so maybe you can help me a bit to understand better.

        Can you please translate for me the next sentence please, it's not Quran.
        Inna allatheena kafaroo min ahli alkitabi waalmushrikeena fee cold of Alaska khalideena feeha.

        Salaam and thx!
        Bender

        Salaman,

        Once we are able to write few sentences and read some sentences; we never look back to recap as to what is writing and what is reading. It is always good to go through basic lessons as to how a text is written, rules and conventions of writing and rules and conventions for how to read a text in any language.

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          Bender
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          Salaman,

          Once we are able to write few sentences and read some sentences; we never look back to recap as to what is writing and what is reading. It is always good to go through basic lessons as to how a text is written, rules and conventions of writing and rules and conventions for how to read a text in any language.

          Salaamun alayka,

          Is this your translation of what I asked hmm

          salaam,
          Bender

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            Mazhar
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            Yes, if only you had given a thought. A thoughtful posture does not mean one is applying mind. Please see your sentence and think if it is what is called writing.

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              Bender
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              Yes, if only you had given a thought. A thoughtful posture does not mean one is applying mind. Please see your sentence and think if it is what is called writing.

              salaamun alayka,

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                QuranOnly
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                Salam,

                I'm reviving this old thread.

                Brother MMkhan, can you please explain your understanding of this

                S28V44
                And you, , were not on the western side when We revealed to Moses the command, and you were not among the witnesses .

                Who is Allah talking to?

                According to your theory, the book was given to Moussa but is adressing someone else?

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                  mmkhan
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                  Salam,

                  I'm reviving this old thread.

                  Brother MMkhan, can you please explain your understanding of this

                  S28V44
                  And you, , were not on the western side when We revealed to Moses the command, and you were not among the witnesses .

                  Who is Allah talking to?

                  According to your theory, the book was given to Moussa but is adressing someone else?

                  Salaam brother,

                  Here are the possible translations of the aayat given

                  • And you, , were not on the western side when We revealed to Moses the command, and you were not among the witnesses.

                  • And you, , were not on the western side when We revealed to Moses the command, and you were not among the witnesses.

                  AlQuraan always refer to the reader whoever it might be. When it says "Qul huwaAllahu ahad" it does not means only only Mohammed has to say "huwaAllahu ahad". When you read it you will clearly understand that Allah is asking YOU to "SAY". AlQuraan always talk to the reader unless it is clearly stated by NAME whom it is addressing to.

                  BTW, my current understanding on this concept that alQuraan/alKitaab was given to Musa is changed. InshaAllah, I will write it down when my Lord allow me to do so.

                  Thanks for clarifying it.

                  May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
                  mmKhan

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                    huruf
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                    33.8.

                    And remember We took from the prophets their covenant and from you (singular masculine) and from Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus the son of Mary We took from them a solemn covenant

                    There are many addresses in singuar masculine in sura 33, which seem to refer to a specific prophet in spexific situation, even if tht kind of speecha, of course, can be generalised to analogous events and circumstances, such as are told in those passages.

                    Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah. (21)

                    Here a specific, defined prophet is addressed, not an undetermined one or a collection of them.

                    Also 33.28 and others

                    O Prophet! Say to thy Consorts "If it be that ye desire the life of this World, and its glitter,- then come! I will provide for your enjoyment and set you free in a handsome manner. (2 But if ye seek Allah and His Messenger, and the Home of the Hereafter, verily Allah has prepared for the well-doers amongst you a great reward. (29)

                    Salaam

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                      mmkhan
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                      33.8.

                      And remember We took from the prophets their covenant and from you (singular masculine) and from Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus the son of Mary We took from them a solemn covenant

                      There are many addresses in singuar masculine in sura 33, which seem to refer to a specific prophet in spexific situation, even if tht kind of speecha, of course, can be generalised to analogous events and circumstances, such as are told in those passages.

                      Salaam,

                      This could also refer to the reader, but unfortunately most of us don't take it on us and leave it for Nabi. Allah is very specific while addressing someone, like 3328 which you have quoted below. It clearly says O Nabi, Allah knows how to address to the reader and to the Nabi and to the Rasool.

                      Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah. (21)

                      Here a specific, defined prophet is addressed, not an undetermined one or a collection of them.

                      I don't see any specific Rasool or Nabi mentioned in this aayat i.e.,3321. If the name is mentioned then you can say it is specific.

                      Also 33.28 and others

                      O Prophet! Say to thy Consorts "If it be that ye desire the life of this World, and its glitter,- then come! I will provide for your enjoyment and set you free in a handsome manner. (2 But if ye seek Allah and His Messenger, and the Home of the Hereafter, verily Allah has prepared for the well-doers amongst you a great reward. (29)

                      Salaam

                      Yes, this is the proof how Allah address to a Nabi.

                      May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
                      mmKhan

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                        huruf
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                        No his name is not mentionned but still it is a specific nabi, not any person whatever. I am not talking about names, but about persons. The fact that the name is not mentionned, does not make out of it any nabi whatever, but that secific nabi being addressed at that point.

                        On the other hand, if at a given time there is one that is known as nabi and only that one, the address to a naby in determined form must be taken that it is the nabi that is known as the nabi who is addressed.

                        Salaam

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