:: Who brought AlQuraan/AlKitaab? Muhammed? NO!!! ::
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You wound me Mazhar, deeply p Discussion goes on for different reasons...in the case of that thread in particular I already have notes regarding the subject 'grammatically'; (neither did I read most of your posts or most of the other posters on that thread) I like discussing from different angles. Not only does it broaden my understanding, but it also helps me tear it down to basics via reasoning as opposed to myopic examinations when confronted with another pov regardless of it being 'crazy talk'. It's more rigid for you, I can appreciate that (mmkhan, this time I finally might be appreciating the right thing)...but don't think that other people should always discuss in ways that you'd heartily approve of.
Sorry, you took it in that direction, it was just informative--prompt to read you there--- argumentative--away from baseless thread issue. I know you were busy on specific issues ignoring other posts. Never feel wound, even negative propaganda earns attention for the rightful person.
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Sorry, you took it in that direction, it was just informative--prompt to read you there--- argumentative--away from baseless thread issue. I know you were busy on specific issues ignoring other posts. Never feel wound, even negative propaganda earns attention for the rightful person.
I was kidding with the wounding, no worries... and point well understood and completely agreed, I mentioned it on the thread a few times myself
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After aayaats quoted, there are some questions asked about your understanding. Didn't you read them? Please check again and get back with you answers.
I have seen those. I want what you intend to interpret finding those reiteration. It is the speakers choice to reiterate the qualitative trait of a person through relative pronouns or personal pronouns. Read about emphasis, rhetoric etc.
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I have seen those. I want what you intend to interpret finding those reiteration. It is the speakers choice to reiterate the qualitative trait of a person through relative pronouns or personal pronouns. Read about emphasis, rhetoric etc.
But AlQuraan is not about speakers choice, it is The Book of guidance. Every letter/word has been specifically added.
OK, please tell me who is mentioned in 3331?
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I have seen those. I want what you intend to interpret finding those reiteration. It is the speakers choice to reiterate the qualitative trait of a person through relative pronouns or personal pronouns. Read about emphasis, rhetoric etc.
But AlQuraan is not about speakers choice, it is The Book of guidance. Every letter/word has been specifically added.
OK, please tell me who is mentioned in 3331?
Dear, what is wrong with you, you do not let even simple things enter your mind and keep circling around what thoughts have veiled your intellect about a certain issue like pronouns here.
Every book, including Qur'aan is a spoken word of a speaker. It was His choice how he selected relative pronouns or personal pronouns. For that you need to know minimum emphasis aspect, rhetoric.
In 3331 are solely and exclusively the honourable wives of the Elevated Messenger of Allah the Exalted.
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Dear, what is wrong with you, you do not let even simple things enter your mind and keep circling around what thoughts have veiled your intellect about a certain issue like pronouns here.
Every book, including Qur'aan is a spoken word of a speaker. It was His choice how he selected relative pronouns or personal pronouns. For that you need to know minimum emphasis aspect, rhetoric.
In 3331 are solely and exclusively the honourable wives of the Elevated Messenger of Allah the Exalted.
I think you always forget that AlQuraan is a guidance for MANKIND, not only for scholars or the ones having good command on language. How is it a guidance for the naas? All aayaats are set on patterns and designs for lay man to compare and understand the usage of different aayaats.
It is not a choice simply to fill the Book, but it has been purposely set in that pattern to show you something and guide you, etc.
Now, if 3331 is about Messenger's wives, then why again 3332 used "yaa nisaa alnabiyyi" when it is already in context as per your understanding? There is surely a reason for such usage. When you make your mind blank , inshaAllah, you will see what I am trying to say.
May Allah increase me in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhan -
I think you always forget that AlQuraan is a guidance for MANKIND, not only for scholars or the ones having good command on language. How is it a guidance for the naas? All aayaats are set on patterns and designs for lay man to compare and understand the usage of different aayaats.
It is not a choice simply to fill the Book, but it has been purposely set in that pattern to show you something and guide you, etc.
Now, if 3331 is about Messenger's wives, then why again 3332 used "yaa nisaa alnabiyyi" when it is already in context as per your understanding? There is surely a reason for such usage. When you make your mind blank , inshaAllah, you will see what I am trying to say.
May Allah increase me in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhanDear, the day you understand how the text of Arabic of Qur'aan flows, where the discourse ends, and where a new discourse starts not to be linked with the earlier statements, you might know the beauty of Ayah 3232 starting with a fresh call seeking attention of them and then breaking the news about their status and position amongst the woman folk of all times.
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Did you try to explain me your point? NO!
Did you try to give me an example? NO!
Did you try to show me an aayat to explain your point? NO!
Then what you were doing? You know exactly what you were doing already.Anyways, as per my understanding
Mazher always try to convince mmKhan without bringing forward any proof. He always do that to me.
As per the above sentence, "Mazher" is Subject and "mmKhan" is Object. And "He" is subject pronoun and "me" is object pronoun.
Am I correct sir? If not, please correct me and then put forward your point. If I am right, then what is your point?
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhanJust want to thank you for giving me a lot of food for thought. I never really considered this issue before reading your post, but i will now definately check your references up and make up my mind, because you have discussed some very important things. It really seems like either that it wasnt muhammed who came with the quran as per the traditional islamic belief, and/or muhammed is a title and not a name.
And please dont limit yourself due to Mazhars (sunni) agenda. Please keep posting about the issue.
Peace
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We have experience of many members who kept posting meaningless talks or clapping but never to substantiate. And then went away. Obviously rubbish cant be substantiated.
Frankly Mazhar, I find it VERY difficult to understand what you are talking about. And I just never get your point. And I know that others here also find it difficult to understand you as well. In any case, I was waiting for brother mmkhan to share more of his thoughts. If you could kindly stop posting, you would save everyones time.
Peace
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"His Qaum" denotes none else but Bani Israel. And the entire discourse is about reminding the Bani Israel of their past history.
I agree
The whole Qur'an is but the reminder for the Bani Israel and followers of Jesus, and it doesn't bring anything new which is not already in the Torah! Present Islam is but an invention of men as a new innovation, same as Christianity.
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So, could we keep up the subject gentlemen , and do try to answer the question
Who brought AlQuraan/AlKitaab? Muhammed? NO!!!
(do try to answer without old or new hadiths),
thank you
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Only to admonish them that they are going to be the worst of the creatures. Condemned and cursed for ever. They were cursed also by Dawood alahisalam and Easa alahissalam.
Salaam,
hypno
From where did you got this wrong understanding?
Can you please give us some verses to support your understanding?
Please don't quote 578 nopeAnd who are Bani Israel according you?
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I agree
The whole Qur'an is but the reminder for the Bani Israel and followers of Jesus, and it doesn't bring anything new which is not already in the Torah! Present Islam is but an invention of men as a new innovation, same as Christianity.
Jesus was the most perfect Jew, same as Moses who is the greatest prophet of them all.That may seems to mean that Quran was written shortly after Jesus death .
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Only to admonish them that they are going to be the worst of the creatures. Condemned and cursed for ever. They were cursed also by Dawood alahisalam and Easa alahissalam.
Lol. rotfl David and Jesus were both from Bani Israel so it's hard to believe that They cursed themselves . Please use your brain.
Peace .