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Shaving head one of the wrong misleading practice in Al-Hajj

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    simonejamilla
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    Salam Wakas ,

    As per the situation the believers were in according to the verse we are studying ( 2/196) , its claire that Al-Hady / Gift needs a force /power / work so to reach its place , so the command in ( 2/196) is to not "Halk Rass " mean "do not cover your head" , why ? because Al-Hady / Gift needs to reach it place first , the command "Halk Rass " is conditioned by the reaching of Al-Hady / Gift to its place , to understand why its conditioned and what the command "Halk Rass " mean we need to know what was the situation in wich the belivers where in that time , we will know it from other verse , wich is

    48-25 It is they who disbelieved and obstructed you from the Inviolable Masjed , and Gift/Al-Hady debarred from reaching its place . And if it had not been for believing men and believing women, whom ye know not - lest ye should tread them under foot and thus incur guilt for them unknowingly; that Allah might bring into His mercy whom He will - If had been separated We verily had punished those of them who disbelieved with painful punishment.

    Do you have any doubt brother that Gift/Al-Hady mentioned in the verse below being detained from reaching its place and that the disbelievers obstructed the prophets and his companion from reaching the Inviolable Masjed that they were in war situation , so it make a perfect sens that the command "La Tahliko Roassakoum " mean "do not uncover your heads" , they were in war situation , uncover it from what ? , surely from war helmet

    come on brother , how come there where no war helmets at that time , do you think they were before bronze age or what ? the Quran mention Daoud / David using iron for war purpose centuries before Al-Omyeen do you think they were unaware about this industry ?

    harm of one's head doesn't mean headache it mean someone who was hurt-ed in his head in the battle so it's a permission to not fight so in this case the ones who are hurt-ed in their heads will cover it ( taking off the war helmet ) so they will not participate in the battle , in that case they need to pay a ransom for not participating in the battle , you can read that in

    2/196 (...) And whoever among you is ill or has hurt in his the head a ransom of fasting or charity or Nask.

    Its a clarification i putt it between baguette to explain that the command in 4827 when its says about "shortening " doesn't mean cutting hair shortly as it was explained in religious books and tafasseer and also all english translation i have seen including Corpus Quran http//corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=48&verse=27 ,

    "shortening " mean shortening the "Al-salwah

    48/27 Allah hath fulfilled the vision for His messenger in very truth. Ye shall indeed enter the Al-Masjed Al-Haram / The inviolable Masjed , if Allah will, in safety , uncovering your head, (mean you will be taking off your war helmet sign of safety) , and shortening ( mean shortening Al-Salwah not cutting hair shortly ) , not fearing. But He knoweth that which ye know not, and hath given you a near victory beforehand.

    My respect

    Very good brother, as I was reading your understanding, it all became so clear. Thank you!

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      Wakas
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      nice post and I should say it is the most convincing translation I ever read about this verse.

      Very good brother, as I was reading your understanding, it all became so clear. Thank you!

      It has potential but failed with

      1. if prevented, how does the hdy/gift reach its destination?
      2. seemingly no classical arabic dictionary evidence for raas meaning helmet
      3. critical question 3
      4. seemingly no evidence for arab helmets worn at the time
      5. convoluted answer regarding non-head injury

      Alternative
      http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597976.msg289407;topicseen#msg289407

      All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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        The_Guided_One
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        w/salaam AK,

        I have personally not seen pictures of Arab warriors with helmets on, nor artefacts of such, but perhaps they did exist, I'm not sure. In any case, it is not a main point.

        And please consider what you are saying you claim it is about a hurt of one's head, but what about other body parts, do they not count towards a significant injury, e.g. even if they are severed off?! Further, having a hurt in one's head (even though one is wearing a helmet) you expect them to fast/abstain etc? Please explain the logic.

        What is "al salwah"?

        Hurting head might be a psychological war trauma, that is when soldiers get mad and do not listen to commands and only want blood, so then they do not fight proper as described in Quran.

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          The_Guided_One
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          Salam ,

          16-81 And Allah has made for you of what He has created shelters, and He has made for you from mountains places of retreat, and He has made for you garments to preserve you from the heat and garments to protect you in you fighting; even thus does He complete His favor upon you, that haply you may submit .

          As you can see they were using garment over their bodies to protect them from hurt while they are fighting , so logically they will consider their head to be covered and protected with a ( war helmet ) more then anything else .

          with this ayet the understanding of war helmet can be true

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            The_Guided_One
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            Pl also see carefully what are you saying

            If he was hurt how he put the helmet on his head which he can put off?

            The only explanation would be war trauma

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              Wakas
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              Hurting head might be a psychological war trauma, that is when soldiers get mad and do not listen to commands and only want blood, so then they do not fight proper as described in Quran.

              Did you read the post above yours and then insert your understanding into the verse to see if it makes sense?

              Article http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/Quran-2196-critical-thinking.html

              All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                The_Guided_One
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                Did you read the post above yours and then insert your understanding into the verse to see if it makes sense?

                Article http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/Quran-2196-critical-thinking.html

                no i did not, i just was thinking that injury and head could mean psychological injury, but i will look at it later, i am now investigating ramadahan/.

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