First E-Book
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Dear All...
Due to security reasons, Ziggurat's mailbox will no longer be active, and I will no longer be sending anything from that address.
If you receive ANY e-mail from Ziggurat, from this point onward, please IGNORE it completely.
In the meantime, I will set up a new mailbox and notify you when it's done.
Regards.
Half way done , really loving it so far ).
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Salam Pazuzu
impressive disclosing work, which do make a lot of sense .. one thing is confusing to me.. there are some articles in free minds which i find convincing to a great extent talking about a place in jordan named Petra where we can find remenents of people of Lout, Aad and Thamoud (elephant status and great houses built within mountains and rocks).. Articles agree to the fact that events happened more or less in the same territory ....is there any explanation?
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Dear Hope.
Please consider the following points
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The official FM stance is that Muhammad lived in the Jordan - Palestine area. This is based on the erronuous idea that the Arabic language was invented by the Nabateans (the north Arabians). This is completely FALSE. The Nabateans, whose kingdom flourished during the first and second centuries A.D invented the cursive script which later developed into the modern Arabic script we see today. They did not invent the LANGUAGE. In Book 2, I will prove to you that the Arabic language existed many centuries before the Nabateans, and I will show you Arabic inscriptions in South Arabia, written in the Musnad script. The FM stance has confused the Arabic language with the Arabic alphabet. The Arabic language came from South Arabia, not the north, This is why the classical anthropologists grouped Arabic with the so-called "South Semitic Languages". Just because there are columns with elephant motifs carved in their crowns in Petra, doesn't mean that the People of the Elephant were there.
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The mountain-carved homes at Petra and the so-called "Mada'in Saleh" in North Saudi Arabia have abosulutely nothing to do with Thamud or Aad whatsoever. The people of Aad and Thamud are very ancient nations that lived before Abraham's time (before 1500 B.C). Petra and Madai'n Saleh are both Nabatean vestiges that were constructed in the first century A.D.
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The Quran tells us that Aad lived near the Ahqaf (region of giant sand dunes). If you look up Al-Ahqaf, you will see that it is the name the Arabs have known for thousands of years, which describes the sand dunes along the southern borders of the Rub-al-Khali desert. Please go look it up on any map.
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Thamudic = South Arabian culture. Please go look that up as well. Look up South Arabiab scripts, and you will get Zabur, Thamudic, Sheban, Himyari and even Ethiopian. This has nothing to do with Petra or the Nabateans whatsoever.
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The people of Lot were destroyed with a volcanic eruption that rained down rocks of cooked clay upon their town. There are NO VOLCANIC MOUNTAINS anywhere in the Jordan-Palestine area.
All of these points will be made clear in Book 2.
Peace...
P.S. If you have received Book 1, please do NOT PRINT it, as we will soon (in about 1 week) release a fully edited version with all errata fixed.
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Dear Hope.
Please consider the following points
[5) The people of Lot were destroyed with a volcanic eruption that rained down rocks of cooked clay upon their town. There are NO VOLCANIC MOUNTAINS anywhere in the Jordan-Palestine area.
Just want to check your info on volcanic activity in Jordan as I believe there is. Here are just a few sites which say otherwise
http//www.khammash.com/Web/Basalt_Bombs.htm
http//www.econ-environ-geol.org/pdf/Article-2.pdf
http//elearning.just.edu.jo/jjce/issues/paper.php?p=146.pdf
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Quote from the first link given by Zenith
"Volcanology" is interesting. It involves understanding the destructive, yet beautiful, powers of nature, and, in Jordan, it is about discovering the "fossilized results of such creative acts. Early humans might have seen, in action, some of the youngest volcanoes in Jordan. Such volcanoes were active as recent as 1.5 million years ago, and even 0.5 million years. While the older ones date back to as much as 18 million years, way before humans walked this land. To those who've seen, the smaller and younger volcanoes might have performed a brilliant light show.
There are many earth landscapes made up of volcanoes extinct ages ago. That does not concern I think the historical interval with which we are dealing. Extinct volcanoes are like dead persons, they do not make history.
Salaam
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Salam to Pazuzu and all,
Been a few months since i last read up on Pazuzu's postings, guess i missed the opportunity when Pazuzu was mailing out the E-book.
Can someone be kind enuff as to send me the E-book, it wud be much much appreciated. tks. My email add is [email protected].
once again...thank you in advance,rgds
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Salaam to all
As i understood brother pazuzu will correct some stuff in book so new verion will come inshaAllah,
Its good to know that day by day more people see the reality of Messangers geographycal origins.. I thank Allah that im living in the Time where we can use many tools to find truth.. and truth has alweyes been there.. YEs YEMN AND part of Oman are craddle of all messangers. Even not knowing nothing about islam i used to read ALQuran and alweyes get the senastion that every messanger mission was closer to each other, the people of nuh was succeded by people of Hud, and people of hud succeded by people of thamud, even AR-RAss and At-Tuba are told in Quran print form king complex in Saudi arabia, teels us Ar-rass, At-Tuba, hud people and Nuh people are from yemen, as long as Saba kingdom.. So even in Sunii version/tafseer they put many of messangers coming from Yemen.. its all very logical.. the problem starts when we are trying to make palestine a holy land, to make babylon in persia the crddle of ibrahim, and to make egypt the land of fake fira?won just to fullfill catolic plesures.. for me ibrahim comng from babylon is the same stupidity as wemen coming from man rib.. Allah knows best ..Salaam to all prand let people wake up , its a mission to all of us to spread truth in whatever language we can.Its time to awake.. jedi
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Peace upon you all dear brothers,
Pazuzu, Huruf, would kindly send the ebook for me on this address [email protected].
Thank you
siwto
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brickwall Sorry, Pazuzu, Huruf,..., there were an error on my email [email protected], would you kindly send the ebook on this updated email.
peace;
Siwto
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Dear Pazuzu Congratulations on your fine efforts and may God reward you. Please can you email me a copy of the corrected ebook to [email protected]
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Dear Pazuzu;
I am very thankful for the job & the logic you are using to bring more light in our deen, may ALLAH SW bless you and help you for the rest of your life in all your matters,
I must thank Lena here in the forum who helped me getting the document.
I swallowed the object once. It is well done but i stopped on only three points
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It seems to me that you enntered deeply in everything concerning the issue of Pharaoh/Moses but only flee on the most important point e.g. the partition of water. How it happened is not clear in your text. The HQ stated that Moses must " ibrib be asaaka albahara"...wheras you just talked of "Strike forth towards the bar with conviction." Is that your own traduction Pazuzu?
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Whenever you mention the Messengers you put (P). If you mean "peace up on them" like what is used with sunni, it happens that it is a form of glorification in my view but less than the one of traditionnalists, as for you all messengers are equal. On the other hand you seemly do not need any adduction when you mention The Creator ALLAH (?) >( ( -[ -[ brickwall. A single glorification formula like (SW) for Him worth something i think. What can you say for that dear Pazuzu?
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The spelling of the last prophet's name was dicussed by the brother Yuksel, here on FM, stating that the right one must be Muhammid. Obviously he was right for me, but i see you still using Muhammad. Would you help understand better brother.
Thanks a lot
Saam.
Siwto
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Peace, siwto.
- It seems to me that you enntered deeply in everything concerning the issue of Pharaoh/Moses but only flee on the most important point e.g. the partition of water. How it happened is not clear in your text. The HQ stated that Moses must " ibrib be asaaka albahara"...wheras you just talked of "Strike forth towards the bar with conviction." Is that your own traduction Pazuzu?
Yes.... I chose to translate "yadrib" or "idrib" as "to strike forth". The Quran used it in that context elsewhere, when it talked about those who strike forth in the land (yadribouna) to make their living, and those who strike forth and pass through enemy territory (they can shorten the Salat and do it in shifts, while others guard them). I didn't make it up.
The original meaning of the word "3asa" is to be hard in resolve, difficult to dissuade, firm in one's stance, defiant, etc... A hard stick is called "3asa" because it is tough and difficult to bend or break. Civil strife is called "3asyan" in Arabic, because it is about the population expressing their firm resistance to oppressive rule.
So the translation I have chosen is not so far-fetched. Allah told Moses to "strike forth" towards a body of water, with firm resolve and conviction (conviction that he would be saved from his oppressors, in the end).
The word "yamm" means a strong gushing stream of water. This means the event took place in an internal (inland) body of water, not in a sea seperating two continents! Even today, in the mountainous country of South Arabia, torrential rain can cause catastrophic flooding as the valleys quickly fill with water. The Israelites hiked a path in one of those valleys, and walked on an elevated ground with two giant streams of water on either side of them. That's how I imagine the scene to have been.
- Whenever you mention the Messengers you put (P). If you mean "peace up on them" like what is used with sunni, it happens that it is a form of glorification in my view but less than the one of traditionnalists, as for you all messengers are equal.
I don't see it as glorification. It's like when you say to a dead person RIP (Rest in Peace). It's no big deal to wish the messengers of Allah that they rest in peace. Also you have to remember that when we compiled the book, we had taken into consideration that many Suunis and Shias might read it. So you have to compromise by saying something that expresses respet for the man (Muhammad) who was chosen to carry Allah's final scripture. (I have been sent e-mails by fanatics criticizing me as being disrespectful to the "best of mankind" and a Zionist calling for Israel to invade Yemen).
A single glorification formula like (SW) for Him worth something i think. What can you say for that dear Pazuzu?
How about "The Almighty"?? Is that not enough? I believe we refered to him by that title quite a few times in the book.
- The spelling of the last prophet's name was dicussed by the brother Yuksel, here on FM, stating that the right one must be Muhammid. Obviously he was right for me, but i see you still using Muhammad. Would you help understand better brother.
I am not aware of that topic. I have not read any of Mr. Edip's writings.
Thank you for your comments, anyway.
To all those who have received the soft copy in one way or the other, please note that I will officially release a final version of Book 1 (with all spelling errata fixed), at the end of this month (in case you want to print it).
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Dear Brother Pazuzu,
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Your translation might be right, but don't you see that it was the very action of Moses on the bahr that made it separated (the fa of the verb infalaqa is consecutive of an early action) in two parts both as high as a great hill. Whereas your opinion on that matter is showing that Moses and others just follow a situation created by rain to escape.
You stated "...and walked on an elevated ground with two giant streams of water on either side of them". But they had to cross at least one stream first before reaching any elevated valley. My very question is how did they cross that body of water presumably perpendicular to their way?
Anyway i think we must be veru careful on this very important passage even if we are not coming back on the idea of MISR not being in the actual egypt. -
If you choosed to pease to sunni way of behaviour to attract them it is not so bad but if you do think that we are somehow obliged to add anything we mentionning the Messengers or prophet as a "respect" it is problematic...
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let me invite you on this page of brother Edip Yuksel(or go to his site 19.org)
"4. What was the name of the last prophet Muhammad or Muhammed?
All the derivatives of the root word H8M40D4 (read HaMaDa) occurs 68 times in the Quran
o yuHaMmaDu (to be praised by others) occurs once in a NEGATIVE context in verse 3188
o HaMD (praise, noun) occurs 38 times and all for GOD 12; 61; 645; 743; 1010; 1439; 1598; 1675; 17111; 181; 20130; 2328; 2715; 2759; 2793; 2870; 2963; 3018; 3125; 3215; 341; 341; 351; 3534; 37182; 3929; 3974; 3975; 3975; 407; 4055; 4065; 425; 4536; 5039; 5248; 641; 1103.
o HaMDika (your praise) occurs once for GOD in verse 230
o biHaMDihi (with His praise) occurs 4 times all for GOD 1313; 1744; 1752; 2558.
o HaMiDun (those who praise) occurs once for praising GOD 9112.
o HaMyD (the One who is praised) is used 17 times, and all for GOD 2267; 4131; 1173; 141; 148; 2224; 2264; 3112; 3126; 346; 3515; 4142; 4228; 5724; 606; 646; 858.
o maHMuD (the praised position) occurs once as the description of the POSITION promised for the prophet 1779.
o aHMaD (the one who praises more/most; it is not a proper name but an adjective made of a verb) occurs once in verse 616
o muHaMMed (the one who praises frequently) occurs in 4 verses 3144; 3340; 472; 4829.
The picture must be clear now. As Satan distorted the monotheistic message of Jesus by turning unity to trinity, similarly Muslims fabricated many different idols by creating partners in religious sources, by adhering the sharia laws made by their clergymen (4221), and by glorifying the name of a human-messenger more than his Lord and Creator, by adding his name to the name of God in the Statement of Unity thereby transforming it to the Statement of Duality.
The one who was prophecised by Jesus was described as ahmad, that is ?the one who praises more?, similar to the linguistic form a?lam (the one who knows more) or arham (the one who cares more).
616 When Jesus, son of Mary, said, ?O children of Israel, I am God?s messenger to you, authenticating what is present with me of the Torah and bringing good news of a messenger to come after me whose attribute will be ?the most praising.?? But when he showed them the clear proofs, they said, ?This is clearly magic.?
Ironically, though the prophesized description is pronounced as AHMAD, (the one who praises more or the most) it is commonly translated as YUHMAD or HAMYD or HUMIDA (the one who was praised more or the most).
Some Sunnis might attempt to abuse verse 1779, in order to maintain the Orthodox reading. ?If he was not praised which is denoted by his name Muhammad, how could his position be praised?? This objection initially appears to be a fair one, but with little scrutiny it falls apart. Here is the problem with this reasoning.
A person might be appointed and raised to a praised position by the frequently praised Lord and that person would still not be a ?frequently praised person.? The position is the one which is praised, not the person who might be blessed by God to reach such a position, which is returning to God, the Praise-worthy.
If I am given a miraculous sign, I do not become miraculous myself. If one is promised high heaven, he does not become high himself. If one is blessed with abundance, she does not become abundant herself.
In fact, God provides us with the best mathal, the best tafsyr in verse 2658 by using similar words. In verse 2658 we are informed that pharaoh and his followers lost their ?treasures and honorable positions (maqamun karym)? However we know that neither Pharaoh nor his close friends were honorable (karym), but they had honorable position (maqamun karym) in Egypt!
After the departure of the prophet Muhammad, like most heroes the hypocrites started carving an idol around his name, which later was extended to his family members, to his monotheist friends, and even to the hypocrite friends. Unlike what the sunni sources claim, the word sahaba is not a holy word in the Quran; to the contrary, it is mostly used to describe the hypocrites and mushriks around Muhammad. When the Umayyad and Abbasid tyrants betrayed the Quranic principle of democratic election, they distorted the meaning of the word jizya (war reparation) as an extra taxation on Christians and Jews (See Quran a Reformist Translation for detailed discussion on this and similar issues).
This anti-islamic imperialistic policy forced many Christians and Jews to convert to Sunni or Shiite sects. Those unhappy converts found it easy to replace their previous idols with new ones; this time with Muhammed and many others. Knowing the depth and breadth of alteration performed by the Sunni and Shiite clergymen, especially, considering their intolerance to and aggression against those who adhered to the monotheistic principles, gradually changing the pronunciation of the word Muhammed to Muhammad would not be a difficult task. (I highly recommend my colleagues Prof. Aisha Musa?s and Ahmad Kassim?s books on this subject Hadith as Scripture Discussions on the Authority of Prophetic Traditions in Islam; and Islamic Renaissance a New Era has Started, respectively.)
In summary, according to the teaching of the Quran, the name of the last prophet was most likely not MuhammAd, but was MuhammEd, similar to the linguistic form of Muallem (teacher) or Musawer (designer). HMD is true praise and implies magnifying, honoring and admiration. The person who engages in HMD, declares his or humility and submission. Thus, HaMD exclusively applies to Allah (the god), our Lord, the One, the Initiator, the Designer, the Compassionate, the Living, the Eternal, the Almighty, and the Omniscient God. Praise is to the Lord of the Universe."
Peace
siwto
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