Debating a Salafi

Meteora

Lol didn't know Edip's accent until today. p

Debating a Salafi? Really? You were better off arguing with a brick wall.

Maha

well done edip! We are proud of you

Keep in mind that in particular sunnism is all about controling people and their mind, and when the sunnis loose that control, it threatens their whole ideology and that is why the salafi guy became so annoyed and angry although he tried his best not to show off his anger in order to avoid being labeled 'uncivilized' but basically he was a very typical stubborn hadither. Just watch how he after a while began to make personal attacks, as well as changing the subject in order to avoid the actual point.
If you notice it, you will see that these hadithers usually dont get angry while debating with non-muslims, but they become very angry and annoyed when debating former muslims or quran aloners because we are ''insiders'' who know their religion to depth as well as their weakness and secrets. Due to these obvious reasons, hadithers cannot fool us as they can fool non-muslims with their usual excuses.

but hey you could see that salafi holy guys legs rotfl is that a sign of holiness )

Its only when you debate secular sunnis/shiites or sunnis/shiites who dont take their religion so serious, that you can expect some kind of agreement and understanding. I have spoken to some secular sunnis who agreed with me regarding hadith, but that didnt made them take any action since they already didnt gave religion any serious importance.

But good work Edip bravo

mmkhan

Debating a Salafi? Really? You were better off arguing with a brick wall.

So true... rotfl

Maha

So true... rotfl

yes if you are debating with him/her alone. But i would encourage public debates like what edip do not for the sake of the salafi but because creates focus on quran alone among common people who might get familiar with the point of view of quran aloners

Peace

mmkhan

yes if you are debating with him/her alone. But i would encourage public debates like what edip do not for the sake of the salafi but because creates focus on quran alone among common people who might get familiar with the point of view of quran aloners

Peace

Peace Maha,

I agree with you handshake

mmKhan

unknownuser

Another point I picked up on was when the salafi brother mentioned that the book on eating is the same size as the Qur'an. WOW. No wonder I don't know a single Sunni/Salafi muslim who reads the Qur'an a lot, if they need to read a book the same size just to find out how to eat. (The references to the Qur'an posted on this forum make clear that the Qur'an is the only source of religious instruction needed, the hadith will/have lead people astray, and only the pure read the Qur'an often)

Peace Steven,

I liked your entire post, but the above part stood out to me. Most of them don't even read the Qur'an, and if they do, they tend to read it blindly, not really getting anything out of it. The hadith and rituals are so distracting...no wonder they have no time to read it. Now that I have stopped following those things, I have plenty of time (and desire) to read my Qu'ran. )

Ayisha

you want to see the size of the book on water to wash with!

Anyway, just watching this and done the first hour so far. The salafi guys body language is fun to watch but he's just claimed he had no idea what Edip was talking about as it was all rubbish, made perfect sense to me! salafi man doesn't seem to have a clue what he's talking about and less clue what's in Quran!! rotfl

Ayisha

Finished watching brickwall brickwall Edip definitely won that one but they do not 'see' it at all......they can't distinguish the prophet Muhammed and Bukhari at all, they just can't get it and I've had the same argument with many hadithist, they have a blockage brickwall

unknownuser

Finished watching brickwall brickwall Edip definitely won that one but they do not 'see' it at all......they can't distinguish the prophet Muhammed and Bukhari at all, they just can't get it and I've had the same argument with many hadithist, they have a blockage brickwall

Ayisha,

You are so on point!! Just this morning I thought about that...I don't have any doubt in the word of the Prophet...I doubt the sources who claim that he said it. )

Peace,

Amina

mmkhan

Finished watching brickwall brickwall Edip definitely won that one but they do not 'see' it at all......they can't distinguish the prophet Muhammed and Bukhari at all, they just can't get it and I've had the same argument with many hadithist, they have a blockage brickwall

Salaam Ayisha,

Red part Not only blockage still more and the reason for it is in 1745-46

1745
1745 And when you recite the Qur'an, We put between you and those who do not believe in the Hereafter a concealed partition.

1746
1746 And We have placed over their hearts coverings, lest they understand it, and in their ears deafness. And when you mention your Lord alone in the Qur'an, they turn back in aversion.

May Allah protect us and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhan

unknownuser

Salaam Ayisha,

Red part Not only blockage still more and the reason for it is in 1745-46

1745
1745 And when you recite the Qur'an, We put between you and those who do not believe in the Hereafter a concealed partition.

1746
1746 And We have placed over their hearts coverings, lest they understand it, and in their ears deafness. And when you mention your Lord alone in the Qur'an, they turn back in aversion.

May Allah protect us and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhan

bravo

Ayisha

Salaam Ayisha,

Red part Not only blockage still more and the reason for it is in 1745-46

1745
1745 And when you recite the Qur'an, We put between you and those who do not believe in the Hereafter a concealed partition.

1746
1746 And We have placed over their hearts coverings, lest they understand it, and in their ears deafness. And when you mention your Lord alone in the Qur'an, they turn back in aversion.

May Allah protect us and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhan

Yes, I have had much experience of this phenomenon in hadithists, it's like you might as well be telling them to follow the devil if you quote Quran at them and they react like I am some sort of satanic messenger! hypno

The blockage though is that they cannot understand that I'm not dissing the prophet as they can't get past that the hadith are NOT from him. They assume I'm saying you need nothing but Quran because I DON'T want to follow the messenger, they can't understand that I AM. They prefer to think God's messenger a pedophile, a murderer, a torturer who forced a new law onto us that we can be whipped and burnt for if we don't follow......such as the burning them in their homes for not hurrying to prayer.......and so many have never even heard that hadith. They can't see that if they want to follow the prophet's sunnah its in Quran anyway. brickwall

mmkhan

Yes, I have had much experience of this phenomenon in hadithists, it's like you might as well be telling them to follow the devil if you quote Quran at them and they react like I am some sort of satanic messenger! hypno

The blockage though is that they cannot understand that I'm not dissing the prophet as they can't get past that the hadith are NOT from him. They assume I'm saying you need nothing but Quran because I DON'T want to follow the messenger, they can't understand that I AM. They prefer to think God's messenger a pedophile, a murderer, a torturer who forced a new law onto us that we can be whipped and burnt for if we don't follow......such as the burning them in their homes for not hurrying to prayer.......and so many have never even heard that hadith. They can't see that if they want to follow the prophet's sunnah its in Quran anyway. brickwall

Salaam,

So right! As per my experience, Mohammed is everything for them far more than Allah. When I quoted them aayaats, they say, no, we cannot accept it because hadith say otherwise. & It was so scary for me and it was nothing for them.

And I totally agree with you with that satanic messenger thing.

May Allah protect us and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhan

Ayisha

Apparently now I should guard my iman as I am following an unbeliever...........or maybe the warning was to others against listening to me the unbeliever.... rotfl

brickwall brickwall

Shirin

It is sad how almost all of you are fast to mock others and their belief. I don't have to remind you that those people you mock are the people who believe that there is no God, but God. What you do here is so unQuranic. &

Ayisha

It is sad how almost all of you are fast to mock others and their belief. I don't have to remind you that those people you mock are the people who believe that there is no God, but God. What you do here is so unQuranic. &

You are right, I stand corrected peace

mmkhan

It is sad how almost all of you are fast to mock others and their belief. I don't have to remind you that those people you mock are the people who believe that there is no God, but God. What you do here is so unQuranic. &

Salaam Shila,

Please correct the highlighted part above.

From
"the people who believe that there is no God, but God"

To
"the people who say that there is no God, but God"

We are not doing anything unQuranic inshaAllah. We are sharing our experience that we had. As per my experience many believe as

"the people who believe that there is no God, but Mohammed but say that there is no God, but God".

Believe me, this is my personal experiences I have faced many times. They never even have respect for Allah compare to Mohammed.

May Allah protect us from all kind of shirks and guide us to His only single path pr
mmKhan

Shirin

Salaam Shila,

Please correct the highlighted part above.

From
"the people who believe that there is no God, but God"

To
"the people who say that there is no God, but God"

We are not doing anything unQuranic inshaAllah. We are sharing our experience that we had. As per my experience many believe as

"the people who believe that there is no God, but Mohammed but say that there is no God, but God".

Believe me, this is my personal experiences I have faced many times. They never even have respect for Allah compare to Mohammed.

May Allah protect us from all kind of shirks and guide us to His only single path pr
mmKhan

Salaams Khan,

I beg to differ. You have no knowledge of whether people just say those words or they really feel it. That knowledge is with Allah s.w.t. since he is the only one who can look into person's heart. On the other hand, I understand what you are saying since I, myself, am familiar and, at times, annoyed with hardcore hadithists who are, to put it nicely, pretty stubborn in their belief concerning hadith but that is not a reason to mock them.

mmkhan

Salaams Khan,

I beg to differ. You have no knowledge of whether people just say those words or they really feel it. That knowledge is with Allah s.w.t. since he is the only one who can look into person's heart. On the other hand, I understand what you are saying since I, myself, am familiar and, at times, annoyed with hardcore hadithists who are, to put it nicely, pretty stubborn in their belief concerning hadith but that is not a reason to mock them.

Salaams Shila,

That is OK if you differ and you are right that only Allah knows what is in their hearts and He said that in AlQuraan.

28
28 And of the people are they who say, "We believe in Allah and the Last Day," but they are not believers.

29
29 They deceive Allah and those who believe, but they deceive not except themselves and perceive not.

210
210 In their hearts is disease, so Allah has increased their disease; and for them is a painful punishment because they used to lie.

211
211 And when it is said to them, "Do not cause corruption on the earth," they say, "We are but reformers."

212
212 Unquestionably, it is they who are the corrupters, but they perceive not.

You can go on reading the following aayaats till 220 and try comparing these aayaats with those who call themselves Muslims.

541
541 O Messenger, let them not grieve you who hasten into disbelief of those who say, "We believe" with their mouths, but their hearts believe not, and from among the Jews. Avid listeners to falsehood, listening to another people who have not come to you. They distort words beyond their usages, saying "If you are given this, take it; but if you are not given it, then beware." But he for whom Allah intends fitnah ? never will you possess for him a thing against Allah. Those are the ones for whom Allah does not intend to purify their hearts. For them in this world is disgrace, and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment.

As I said before, I shared my personal experiences, I used to be a salafi and I used to give them dars, so, I know much about them. I faced them many times.

May Allah protect us and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhan

Shirin