What's the difference between Quranist, God Alone and Quran Alone
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In the khutbas I heard, I heard more praise to Muhammad than to God... and I heard the imam reffering to ahadith to proof his point. So I dont see any reason for why i shall waste my time in listening to 'Khutbah''.
Peace
Should we even ATTEND jumuah? I was thinking about that over the weekend...is it right to pray behind anyone that is not praying according to the Qur'an? That's an entirely new thread... ;D
Peace,
Amina
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Peace Amina.
There are those who abuse the masjid by practicing idol worship, dividing the believers, and providing comfort to those who oppose God and His messenger. They solemnly swear "Our intentions are honorable!" God bears witness that they are liars.
Any masjid where the practices are not devoted absolutely to God ALONE belongs to other than God.
You shall never pray in such a masjid. A masjid that is established on the basis of righteousness from the first day is more worthy of your praying therein. In it, there are people who love to be purified. God loves those who purify themselves
I hope this helps.
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In the khutbas I heard, I heard more praise to Muhammad than to God... and I heard the imam reffering to ahadith to proof his point. So I dont see any reason for why i shall waste my time in listening to 'Khutbah''.
PeacePeace Maha,
I agree, i've been having the exact same experience at masjids.
What I was refering to was, in the event that we find ourselves at a masjid of our liking,
would the khutbah be welcome.Peace O0
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My understanding
Quranist the way of interpreting the text of the book as literally as possible, rejecting the sunnah.
God Alone the way of looking at the text the way god intended it.
Quran Alone taking the book, ignoring the sunnah.Peace StopS,
Your understanding and my understanding are the same at the moment.
I further conclude, the Quranist and Quran-Alone muslims are more restrictive
in their deen than the God-Alone muslims.Peace O0
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Peace All,
My preliminary conclusion as far as what name/title we should be addressed
should be submitters (muslims) despite disagreements. Those who have not corrupted
the shahadah and no matter what problems we have to work out between us should be
considered one.In the name of GOD, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.*
Praise be to GOD, Lord of the universe.
Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
Master of the Day of Judgment.
You alone we worship; You alone we ask for help.
Guide us in the right path;
the path of those whom You blessed; not of those who have deserved wrath, nor of the strayers.Say, "We believe in GOD, and in what was sent down to us, and in what was sent down to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Patriarchs; and in what was given to Moses and Jesus, and all the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction among any of them. To Him alone we are submitters."
When Jesus sensed their disbelief, he said, "Who are my supporters towards GOD?" The disciples said, "We are GOD's supporters; we believe in GOD, and bear witness that we are submitters.
Say, "O followers of the scripture, let us come to a logical agreement between us and you that we shall not worship except GOD; that we never set up any idols besides Him, nor set up any human beings as lords beside GOD." If they turn away, say, "Bear witness that we are submitters."
WE ARE ONE
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Peace,
All "ists" or "isms" I now find unacceptable
ist
suffix of nouns, often corresponding to verbs ending in -ize or nouns ending in -ism, that denote a person who practices or is concerned with something, or holds certain principles, doctrines, etc. apologist; dramatist; machinist; novelist; realist; socialist; Thomist.ism system of belief a movement, doctrine, or system of belief ( informal )
Those who divide themselves into sects do not belong with you. Their judgment rests with GOD, then He will inform them of everything they had done.
You shall submit to Him, reverence Him, observe the Contact Prayers (Salat), and - whatever you do - do not ever fall into idol worship.
(Do not fall in idol worship,) like those who divide their religion into sects; each party rejoicing with what they have.Ironically, they broke up into sects only after the knowledge had come to them, due to jealousy and resentment among themselves. If it were not for a predetermined decision from your Lord to respite them for a definite interim, they would have been judged immediately. Indeed, the later generations who inherited the scripture are full of doubts.
Abraham Delivered All the Practices of Submission (Islam)
As Abraham raised the foundations of the shrine, together with Ismail (they prayed) "Our Lord, accept this from us. You are the Hearer, the Omniscient.
"Our Lord, make us submitters to You, and from our descendants let there be a community of submitters to You. Teach us the rites of our religion, and redeem us. You are the Redeemer, Most Merciful.
"Our Lord, and raise among them a messenger to recite to them Your revelations, teach them the scripture and wisdom, and purify them. You are the Almighty, Most Wise."
Who would forsake the religion of Abraham, except one who fools his own soul? We have chosen him in this world, and in the Hereafter he will be with the righteous.
When his Lord said to him, "Submit," he said, "I submit to the Lord of the universe."
Moreover, Abraham exhorted his children to do the same, and so did Jacob "O my children, GOD has pointed out the religion for you; do not die except as submitters."
I find at the moment all tags and identities other than muslim (submitter) are unacceptable.
May ALLAH Guide us to the truth.
Peace O0
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Peace,
I see these three different terms used and I wonder what's the difference between them.
I for one consider myself to be one of the God Alone muslims.
One reason is because I believe in the articles of faithGod
Messengers of God
The Holy Books
The Angels of God
The Day of Judgment
The Ultimate PlanThe Holy Books are included in the articles of faith, therefore can you be
a Quranist or Quran alone muslim and adhere to the belief in the other
Holy Books?Help me understand
Peace O0
They are the divided groups following the same principle. Allah says we have nothing to do with those who have herded themselves into branded groups.
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Peace drfazl,
Do you agree that we should only call ourselves muslims?
May Peace Be Upon You,
Quran is not meant for them who claim to be already 'muslims'; but Quran is meant for those who prayerfully look up to the Almighty Allah, the All-knowing to be guided in the straight path as Muslims.
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Peace guys,
If i may say something, i'd say that we do not have to use the arabic words "muslimeen" and "islaam" which are in the Quran and leaving them untranslated. This seems to cause confusion for everyone. I personally never use the arabic word because of the preconceptions from others. At the end of the day "muslim" = one who has submitted, "islaam" = peacemaking or obedience (whichever people seem to prefer but i tend to go with peacemaking). If someone asks me what i am, Muslim, Christian or Jew or whatever, my resposne will always be "I am a submitter to God alone, a strive to become a true believer in God alone". It makes sense to me. I'm tired (no offense to the arabic language of course) of seeing untranslated words abused like hell. Take "halal" for example... if you translate it, what those signs in the markets and butchers really read is "lawful food", which seems silly when you actually research on what food is lawful to us and the kind of excuses they conjure up as it being "halal". Same as "Muslim", or "Islam" etc. I tend to use the english translation of these words for the reason that the arabic words have unfortunately been put in bad light by the so-called "muslims" on this planet who fret about parading their falsehoods and deceptive lies for power and politics. Just my two cents on the matter.
Peace peace
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I've always just considered myself just 'muslim'. I'm aware of what it means, but for the purposes of practical discussion I've gotta call myself something.
I have qualms as to why I should assign a sub-label to myself like quranist/quran-aloner/etc though. It's other types of muslims who take on material outside the Quran as religious precedent and thus should go by a different label, not I.
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Peace guys,
If i may say something, i'd say that we do not have to use the arabic words "muslimeen" and "islaam" which are in the Quran and leaving them untranslated. This seems to cause confusion for everyone. I personally never use the arabic word because of the preconceptions from others. At the end of the day "muslim" = one who has submitted, "islaam" = peacemaking or obedience (whichever people seem to prefer but i tend to go with peacemaking). If someone asks me what i am, Muslim, Christian or Jew or whatever, my resposne will always be "I am a submitter to God alone, a strive to become a true believer in God alone". It makes sense to me. I'm tired (no offense to the arabic language of course) of seeing untranslated words abused like hell. Take "halal" for example... if you translate it, what those signs in the markets and butchers really read is "lawful food", which seems silly when you actually research on what food is lawful to us and the kind of excuses they conjure up as it being "halal". Same as "Muslim", or "Islam" etc. I tend to use the english translation of these words for the reason that the arabic words have unfortunately been put in bad light by the so-called "muslims" on this planet who fret about parading their falsehoods and deceptive lies for power and politics. Just my two cents on the matter.
Peace peacePoint taken,
Your decision to refer to yourself by the english translation " "I am a submitter to God alone"
could be construed by non-muslims as something other than muslim. What do you say when it
becomes evident to the non-muslim that you are in fact according to their understanding
muslim.May God guide us along the path
Peace
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I've always just considered myself just 'muslim'. I'm aware of what it means, but for the purposes of practical discussion I've gotta call myself something.
I have qualms as to why I should assign a sub-label to myself like quranist/quran-aloner/etc though. It's other types of muslims who take on material outside the Quran as religious precedent and thus should go by a different label, not I.
Agreed
Obviously you take a firm stand, by considering yourself muslim, on the other
hand, is the english word submitter offensive to you?Peace
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Quranist fall into four main categories.
Those who only follow the Quran.
Those who follow the Quran and the Islamic rituals
Those who follow the Quran and Islamic rituals and hadiths that does not contradict the Quran.
Those who follow the Quran and the previous scriptures.Most Quranist however overlap between them depending on the issue.
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Peace hawkninetynine,
If at that point someone who hasn't submitted themselves to God says to me oh so you're a muslim, I'd simply say muslim means a submitter to God alone and I am not part of any sect and follow the path of monotheism. If I get further questions then I'll expand on my beliefs carefully trying not to come across traditional at all.. I doubt I would anyway lol.
Peace peace
Point taken,
Your decision to refer to yourself by the english translation " "I am a submitter to God alone"
could be construed by non-muslims as something other than muslim. What do you say when it
becomes evident to the non-muslim that you are in fact according to their understanding
muslim.May God guide us along the path
Peace
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Peace hawkninetynine,
If at that point someone who hasn't submitted themselves to God says to me oh so you're a muslim, I'd simply say muslim means a submitter to God alone and I am not part of any sect and follow the path of monotheism. If I get further questions then I'll expand on my beliefs carefully trying not to come across traditional at all.. I doubt I would anyway lol.
Peace peaceConversing with christian recently, I stated I was muslim then expanded
on my beilefs in order to be understood properly, thereby letting him know we muslims are a diverse group and that there is a correct Islam and a false Islam. The gentleman became interested, gave me his e-mail address and wanted to know more. I will introduce him to
free-minds God willing. I did not explain "submitter" to him because at that moment
I felt that discussion would be better left for another time. I see no harm in translating
muslim into another language.Peace
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Quranist fall into four main categories.
Those who only follow the Quran.
Those who follow the Quran and the Islamic rituals
Those who follow the Quran and Islamic rituals and hadiths that does not contradict the Quran.
Those who follow the Quran and the previous scriptures.
Most Quranist however overlap between them depending on the issue.Peace Bigmo,
Why not accept the name muslim and reject all others?
God know best