Qiblah...searched but found no answer

Mazhar

Not sure what you mean Mazhar.

Taking the Kaaba as 'the qibla' in 2.144 so anywhere in the world one is supposed to face that.....so if you lived in India/Pakistan one would assume you would face west.........never thought about that, do you face west? o and at which point on the world map would that become facing east......as the earth is round........... hypno

Just checking other verses with same root letters.........I always thought it meant direction too, now I'm thinking it doesn't...........and why would the people of the book know it was right? Have to admit I am confused now on 2.142 -144.

Salamun alaiki,

Ka'aba is a small rectangle. When you getting away from it and the straight row lengthens, people on both ends of the line would not be face to face with Ka'aba. Thereby, many will be just facing some direction, not Ka'aba.

For this reason, injunction is different when people are out of Masjid alHaram-the Mosque around Ka'aba.

We are indeed continuously seeing, O you the Messenger, the frequent turning of your face into the Sky.
For this reason, We swear-assure you that We will certainly give you the guardianship of the Qib'la'tan.
Fulfillment of this promise will make you persistently pleased.
Therefore , keep fronting face to the Sacred Mosque so long you are out-away from it.
And, wherever and from whatever direction you people have exited, thereat for reason you cause your selves face to face that Mosque, when you are out-away from it.
Know the fact that those people whom Book was given earlier certainly understand very well that this is an established fact ordained by their Sustainer Lord.
Beware, Allah the Exalted is never unmindful about that which acts they people are/keep doing.

Zulf

Whether or not someone is exactly facing Mecca, geographically, is not of immense importance. No-one will notice if you are off some degrees, or if one considers the direction as a line pointing into space. The actual thing is that people INTEND and BELIEVE that they are facing the city of Mecca in KSA. That's what counts. Actually facing or not facing, will not have any real physical consequences. It's not like a laser beam that either hits or misses its target. And 'facing' just means in what compass direction you are turned... it's a 2-dimensional thing. I think it is simply of matter of deciding in what 2-D direction to turn, to face, and of course, whether or not at all one thinks that qibla is a geographical direction of turning.

Peace

Ayisha

Know the fact that those people whom Book was given earlier certainly understand very well that this is an established fact ordained by their Sustainer Lord.
Beware, Allah the Exalted is never unmindful about that which acts they people are/keep doing.

But why would the earlier people know this was the truth?

(still don't like your additions in brackets brickwall

Mazhar

But why would the earlier people know this was the truth?

(still don't like your additions in brackets brickwall

Okay I remove it which I inserted to let know the reader to what "this" pronoun refers. I remove and use the direct words for masculine pronoun.

Know the fact that those people whom Book was given earlier certainly understand very well that promise of guardianship is an established fact ordained by their Sustainer Lord.

NOMAD

Salaam

Quibla in Quran is Allah only. its the rightous to Face Allah(quibla) from the time you wake up till the time you go to sleep, wherever youre walking on earth face it(Allah).. not a focal point..that will not be very logical if its a real place..one canoot live looking/facing a specific spot all time and in all ocasions..thats not very logical

Salaam Allah knows best

Mazhar

Whether or not someone is exactly facing Mecca, geographically, is not of immense importance. No-one will notice if you are off some degrees, or if one considers the direction as a line pointing into space. The actual thing is that people INTEND and BELIEVE that they are facing the city of Mecca in KSA. That's what counts. Actually facing or not facing, will not have any real physical consequences. It's not like a laser beam that either hits or misses its target. And 'facing' just means in what compass direction you are turned... it's a 2-dimensional thing. I think it is simply of matter of deciding in what 2-D direction to turn, to face, and of course, whether or not at all one thinks that qibla is a geographical direction of turning.

Peace

It is not that simple. Earlier, Jews and christians are told that turning faces to East or West-----

People of Book sanctify direction of East and West.
Allah the Exalted has also given the reason for facing Masjid alHaram when away from Kaaba.

so that argument-counter reason-accusation might not lie for the people of Book against you people,

Mazhar

Salaam

Quibla in Quran is Allah only. its the rightous to Face Allah(quibla) from the time you wake up till the time you go to sleep, wherever youre walking on earth face it(Allah).. not a focal point..that will not be very logical if its a real place..one canoot live looking/facing a specific spot all time and in all ocasions..thats not very logical

Salaam Allah knows best

Qiblata is feminine. What you are saying is in 2115.

Zulf

Does anyone know some benefits of facing a certain geographical direction? Why would we do that? What's the point? (Apart from blind faith and 'God says so&#039

Azz

Does anyone know some benefits of facing a certain geographical direction? Why would we do that? What's the point? (Apart from blind faith and 'God says so&#039

The idea of everyone praying at the same time in a similar way doesn't seem inherantly bad in itself, I think. Perhaps more beneficial for "unity of the ummah" reasons as opposed to simple prayer though, I dunno.

hawk99

Peace Zulf,

What Allah says is enough, obedience first, understanding second.

My understanding is that it organizationally proficient for everyone to do the same thing.
If we got together to make congregational worship it would be best if we faced the same
direction.
If I faced east and you faced west and the person to your right faced north and the person
to to my left faced south that would not be an efficient way to conduct worship. And remember
there could be rows and rows of worshipers.

Peace O0

Zulf

My understanding is that it organizationally proficient for everyone to do the same thing.
If we got together to make congregational worship it would be best if we faced the same
direction.
If I faced east and you faced west and the person to your right faced north and the person
to to my left faced south that would not be an efficient way to conduct worship. And remember
there could be rows and rows of worshipers.

Agreed.

What Allah says is enough, obedience first, understanding second.

Without first having understanding, then what is your obedience worth? 1736! If we don't understand what Allah has said, then we'll just follow conjecture.

Wakas

peace all,

I have read Christians face East during their prayer but I do not know how early this practice was.

I have never read Jews facing West, unless they were east of Jerusalem, hence face it by facing west. Traditional sources state these verses, i.e. 2142-150 were revealed in Medina, meaning Jews facing west is not possible, as Jerusalem is clearly north-west from there.

There are various other issues regarding these verses. I am currently analysing them for part 3 of my series on sujud. GW, will be finished shortly.

hawk99

Peace Zulf,

Obedience is the condition that believers must exhibit before God and his messengers,

The only utterance of the believers, whenever invited to GOD and His messenger to judge in their affairs, is to say, "We hear and we obey." These are the winners.
You shall obey GOD and His messenger, and do not dispute among yourselves, lest you fail and scatter your strength. You shall steadfastly persevere. GOD is with those who steadfastly persevere.
Those who disbelieve would say, "If only a miracle could come down to him from his Lord (we would believe)." Say, "GOD sends astray whomever He wills, and guides to Him only those who obey."
Notice that understanding is not a prerequisite for obedience.
Understanding is a branch of wisdom,
While obedience is a branch of trust

Agreed.
Without first having understanding, then what is your obedience worth? 1736! If we don't understand what Allah has said, then we'll just follow conjecture.

We would not be following conjecture if we obey Allah

1736
I'm not sure that this verse includes God and his messenger, maybe you could expound.

Peace O0

unknownuser

Okay, so now that I read 2143-144 here is what I get

God made the previous qibla only to see who would be obedient and who would disobey, and now that we have been given the order to face the Sacred Mosque, we are no longer to face the previous qibla.

Am I understanding that correctly?

Mazhar

Okay, so now that I read 2143-144 here is what I get

God made the previous qibla only to see who would be obedient and who would disobey, and now that we have been given the order to face the Sacred Mosque, we are no longer to face the previous qibla.

Am I understanding that correctly?

There is no such thing "previous Qiblata". Meccans had all along only one-whatever they did in the past, they always revered Ka'aba and it was always the centre of their attraction. Those of the Jews and Christians who accepted Qur'aan, reverted from their man made Qiblata of direction East and West to original Qiblata Ka'aba.

Zulf

Notice that understanding is not a prerequisite for obedience.
Understanding is a branch of wisdom,
While obedience is a branch of trust

Right, but we need to be careful whom we trust. It takes discernment to trust the right sources. The messengers are not walking around us today, as far as I'm aware, so all we have is the quran, and inner guidance from Allah. The quran has to be understood correctly (as much as possible) to follow it properly. I don't think cutting a thief's hand displays much understanding or wisdom... but it many times shows blind trust in mullahs and s.c. scholars n elders.

You are right in what you say, but in practice it becomes a bit more tricky.

We would not be following conjecture if we obey Allah

This is true. But aren't there at the same time lots of people of think they follow Allah, but it is painfully obvious that they don't. I'm talking about e.g. people who are into suppression and oppression... but they still think they're obeying Allah and messenger. So they don't understand.

1736
I'm not sure that this verse includes God and his messenger, maybe you could expound.

oh, 1736 is about what we accept and why... you know, about verifying stuff first. I thought it was suitable with regard to obedience, trust, wisdom and understanding. You're right, the verse is not about Allah and any of its messengers.

And pursue not that of which thou hast no knowledge; for every act of hearing, or of seeing or of (feeling in) the heart will be enquired into (on the Day of Reckoning).

I agree that we need to trust Allah, especially when we are lost. The alternative would be to trust our minds, which often is a recipe for suffering. But I guess the point is something else. The real issue is WHY we decide to follow something by trust only, and HOW we came to the conclusion of doing this. If the answer to these things is that we do it because we trust that Allah will guide us further and better, then it is good. But to avoid understanding matters out of fear of questioning, or out of tradition, then it is not so good. I mean, the quran speaks about both trust and verification, without contradiction, so we have to understand what is required when.

Peace bro!

unknownuser

There is no such thing "previous Qiblata". Meccans had all along only one-whatever they did in the past, they always revered Ka'aba and it was always the centre of their attraction. Those of the Jews and Christians who accepted Qur'aan, reverted from their man made Qiblata of direction East and West to original Qiblata Ka'aba.

sigh

Back to the drawing board...

mmkhan

Salaam,

I don't understand why people relate "qiblata" with "salaat", is there any relation mentioned in AlQuraan between these two for us? Please do let me know, thanks.

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1- Is it really possible for everyone on earth to face so called Kaaba?
2- 2144 asking to face towards alMasjid alHaraam, what are they doing inside so called alMasjid alHaraam?

Can someone please answer me this?

May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhan

good_logic

Peace mmkhan.

This has nothing to do with answering your question. As a matter of fact it is a thought provoking question

Imagine a group of people , a congregation performing salat together like the millions of " muslims" across the world do- sunnis, shiites,...-, Now if they do not all face the same way, there will be chaos?

Can you imagine if everyone faced any way they choose?

Peace.

unknownuser