Question regarding "wadhu"?...please help!
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salaam bender,
I believe the "if/when" issues was discussed by bro Damon in the past. He initially thought it may be "if" but the discussion presented evidence towards "when". What is your evidence "idha" means "if"?
Salaam Wakas,
I just copy-pasted from MmKhan's post the translation. And I agree with you that "idha" ALWAYS means "WHEN" and not "IF".
It doesn't change anything on what I said though, except that I have to change "IF" with "WHEN".Salaam,
Bender -
Salaam sister,
You also don't agree >(
elektroThe exception is only the red bolded part.
Salaam,
BenderSalam Bender
( ( elektro elektro ;DO you who have believed, do not approach prayer while you are intoxicated until you know what you are saying or in a state of janabah, except those passing through, until you have washed .
the first part is that we should not provide information drunk / intoxicated or praying in the status of janaabah until we wash, the expression green is included to show that you can considered as participants of the salat, if you are in a state of janaba AND PASSING THROUGH....what what does it mean???
This leads us to define what is SALAT and contradicts so the theory that it is a PERSONAL ritual prayer and confirmed the theory that the SALAT is a a public thing (meeting worship, whatever), the one who is in janaabah and can pass the Place where the SALAT is hold without having to wash ... hmm hmmPart Twohere we found all exceptions, on one hand 1. if there is no water at all and other hand, 2. if someone has a disease that gets worse with water.
O you who have believed, do not approach prayer in a state of janabah until you have washed , And if you are ill or on a journey or one of you comes from the place of relieving himself or you have contacted women and find no water, then seek clean earth and wipe over your faces and your hands . Indeed, Allah is ever Pardoning and Forgiving.
The second part is a supplement of the first part, no separate condition.
Conclusion
all have to wash if they want join the SALAT (either with water or earth), except the one in an impure state (janaabah) which do not actually want to join the salat and is just coincidentally present there.yes Salam )
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Salaam brother,
Ayaat 56 is as per my current understanding not about sallaat nope
It is about " ..." see end of 56I think the same goes for 443 but not sure
Salaam,
benderSalaam Bender,
Yes 56 and 443 are about cleaning but cleaning for Salaat.
Salaam,
mmKhan -
Salaam Wakas,
I just copy-pasted from MmKhan's post the translation. And I agree with you that "idha" ALWAYS means "WHEN" and not "IF".
It doesn't change anything on what I said though, except that I have to change "IF" with "WHEN".Salaam,
BenderSalaam,
( From where? What I wrote is as follows
443
443 O you who have believed, do not approach prayer while you are intoxicated until you know what you are saying or in a state of janabah, except those passing through, until you have washed. And if you are ill or on a journey or one of you comes from the place of relieving himself or you have contacted women and find no water, then seek clean earth and wipe over your faces and your hands. Indeed, Allah is ever Pardoning and Forgiving.56
56 O you who have believed, when you getup to alSalaat, so wash your faces and your forearms to the elbows and wipe over your heads and wash your feet to the ankles. And if you are in a state of janabah, then purify yourselves. But if you are ill or on a journey or one of you comes from the place of relieving himself or you have contacted women and do not find water, then seek clean earth and wipe over your faces and hands with it. Allah does not intend to make difficulty for you, but He intends to purify you and complete His favor upon you that you may be grateful.mmKhan
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Salam Bender
elektro elektro ;DSaalam mirjamnur,
that's not fair I only used 1 elektro on you, here take this elektro. Now we are even
O you who have believed, do not approach prayer while you are intoxicated until you know what you are saying or in a state of janabah, except those passing through, until you have washed .
the first part is that we should not provide information drunk / intoxicated or praying in the status of janaabah until we wash, the expression green is included to show that you can considered as participants of the salat, if you are in a state of janaba AND PASSING THROUGH....what what does it mean???
I agree that when a person is on the road then he can perform sallaat in state of Junuban. I am only not sure what Junuban exactly means.
btw sukara is per my understanding NOT drunk. But a state where a person is not clear in his mind. Thus I believe that we can't enter sallaat if we are in > mood or in rotfl mood or whatever mood where we can't think clearly, till we know what we want to express.
When we are > or rotfl etc. we say things without thinking and may say things we don't want to say. So our minds and hearts have to be clean before we do the sallaat.This leads us to define what is SALAT and contradicts so the theory that it is a PERSONAL ritual prayer and confirmed the theory that the SALAT is a a public thing (meeting worship, whatever), the one who is in janaabah and can pass the Place where the SALAT is hold without having to wash ... hmm hmm
not US but ME
it doesn't say when you pass through a place we sallaat is hold by a group of people nopePart Twohere we found all exceptions, on one hand 1. if there is no water at all and other hand, 2. if someone has a disease that gets worse with water.
O you who have believed, do not approach prayer in a state of janabah until you have washed , And if you are ill or on a journey or one of you comes from the place of relieving himself or you have contacted women and find no water, then seek clean earth and wipe over your faces and your hands . Indeed, Allah is ever Pardoning and Forgiving.
The second part is a supplement of the first part, no separate condition.
I disagree.
the ayaat is seperated in 3 parts
443ONLY in the red part there is an exception, and the exception is that a person does not have to wash if he is on the road and junaaban.
That is the only exception.Conclusion
all have to wash if they want join the SALAT (either with water or earth), except the one in an impure state (janaabah) which do not actually want to join the salat and is just coincidentally present there.yes Salam
conclusion see my comments yes
salaam,
Bender -
Salaam Bender,
Yes 56 and 443 are about cleaning but cleaning for Salaat.
Salaam,
mmKhanSalaam Mohammed,
I believe that if it was only for sallaat then it should have been like this
56 "...but He wants to cleanse you FOR THE SALLAAT and to complete His blessings upon you that you may be thankful.that's how I understand it.
Salaam,
Bender -
Salaam,
( From where? What I wrote is as follows
mmKhanSalaam,
I had to blame someone for my mistake ;D
I really thought that I copy-pasted it from you. But it seems I copy-pasted it from FM-translation.
Salaam and may Allah and MmKhan forgive me for accusing someone else for my mistake pr
Bender -
Salam Bender
I disagree.
nope
the ayaat is seperated in 3 parts
i see only two... &
443
1.ONLY in the red part there is an exception, and the exception is that a person does not have to wash if he is on the road and junaaban.
That is the only exception.The exception counts for all the faithful who wish to participate on SALAt
you see WA IN KUNTUN MARDA AU ALA SAFARIN
hmm the wa not connect the two sentences? i'm sorry, MY conclusion is the same &btw sukara is per my understanding NOT drunk. But a state where a person is not clear in his mind. Thus I believe that we can't enter sallaat if we are in mood or in mood or whatever mood where we can't think clearly, till we know what we want to express.
When we are or etc. we say things without thinking and may say things we don't want to say. So our minds and hearts have to be clean before we do the sallaat.yes you are sure right it is not only drunk (but CAN BE drunk ;D) but when i'm rotfl or I must not be obligatory of unsound mind ... yes)
Salam handshake
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