Reading the Quran in English (help)
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Peace peace !
I never actually learned how to read the Quran in Arabic. My husband is slowly trying to teach me how to read and write in Arabic, but it's going to take some time before I can read the Arabic script. Even then, I probably won't be able to understand much.
I consider myself fluent in English, and so I've always read translations without even approaching the Arabic. When I was a Sunni, I would recite some verses in Arabic for Salat or some duas, but I never felt a connection to God until I started to use English. I guess I can actually feel the words as I say them, when I use English.
So, do you think that I am not getting that optimum level of connection with God because I don't read and understand the Arabic? I know translations usually differ in some aspects, so I'm not even sure if the translation I am reading is even accurate at times. Like, I don't even know if I am reading and reflecting over the translation that is most accurate, so I feel a bit short-changed. I am sure other non Arabic speakers can relate..perhaps? I enjoy reading the Monotheistic Group's translation, Edips translation, Shabbir Ahmed, Asad, and yes..even Dr. Khalifa's because it's written pretty well apart from some serious errors, in my opinion. I have Laleh Bakhtiar's translation but find a bit tedious to read (no offense, good efforts on her part, May God reward her).
Ughh..I don't know if I made any sense? Can anyone relate? Any thoughts on my rambling? -\
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Peace peace !
I never actually learned how to read the Quran in Arabic. My husband is slowly trying to teach me how to read and write in Arabic, but it's going to take some time before I can read the Arabic script. Even then, I probably won't be able to understand much.
I consider myself fluent in English, and so I've always read translations without even approaching the Arabic. When I was a Sunni, I would recite some verses in Arabic for Salat or some duas, but I never felt a connection to God until I started to use English. I guess I can actually feel the words as I say them, when I use English.
So, do you think that I am not getting that optimum level of connection with God because I don't read and understand the Arabic? I know translations usually differ in some aspects, so I'm not even sure if the translation I am reading is even accurate at times. Like, I don't even know if I am reading and reflecting over the translation that is most accurate, so I feel a bit short-changed. I am sure other non Arabic speakers can relate..perhaps? I enjoy reading the Monotheistic Group's translation, Edips translation, Shabbir Ahmed, Asad, and yes..even Dr. Khalifa's because it's written pretty well apart from some serious errors, in my opinion. I have Laleh Bakhtiar's translation but find a bit tedious to read (no offense, good efforts on her part, May God reward her).
Ughh..I don't know if I made any sense? Can anyone relate? Any thoughts on my rambling? -\
Same here. I don't read a lick of Arabic... I tried to learn it last year, but of course it was difficult and I quit.
I am reading it in English, and I pray in English.
Food for thought I know a brother who has learned Arabic and STILL accepts the false teachings of Islam. How in the world does that happen once one understands the language? Can he not see the differences in the meanings of what the words actually say verses what he has been taught?
It's not that he can't...he doesn't want to.
Peace,
Amina
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Same here. I don't read a lick of Arabic... I tried to learn it last year, but of course it was difficult and I quit.
I am reading it in English, and I pray in English.
Food for thought I know a brother who has learned Arabic and STILL accepts the false teachings of Islam. How in the world does that happen once one understands the language? Can he not see the differences in the meanings of what the words actually say verses what he has been taught?
It's not that he can't...he doesn't want to.
Peace,
Amina
It is not difficult, it seems difficult because others have engraved it by repeatedly saying so.
Another attempt is suggested.some Unitary Verbal Passages constituting Miscellany of Qur'aan. Please remember that this is the first step of our Guide Lord in communicating and teaching Qur'aan to people. And that we have a desire, devotion and dedication for sparing time to learn understanding-gaining the Knowledge of Qur'aan simultaneously while reciting its Arabic text. We can obtain the Knowledge of Qur'aan only when we understand Arabic for its "reading"-the process of identifying and understanding the meanings of the characters and words in written text. Listening frequently the Qur'aan while watching the written text will facilitate and quicken the process of acquiring skill in understanding the Lexical and Grammatical aspect of Arabic-the fundamental and inevitable tool for non-Arabs in knowing the Qur'aan.
Let me assure that the day we start understanding and perceiving the contents in our own language, it is a matter of days not months, we will always be in search of time to open and read Qur'aan since we will find it inexhaustible. No reading of it is the final reading-no translation of it is the final and exhaustive translation, and no discussion ever runs it dry. This is one of the features that render a book great in timeline.http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/000.%20Encyclopaedia%20of%20Arabic%20of%20Qur'aan/3.%20Grammar;%20Morphology%20and%20Syntax/1.%20Grammar,%20Morphology%20and%20Syntax.htm
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Why Was the Qur'an Revealed in Arabic?
http//www.masjidtucson.org/quran/appendices/appendix4.html
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Really? There are people on this site who speak/read Arabic and can't even agree on what is being said. The article makes a moot point...French also has masculine and feminine verbs/nouns...
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"We learn from 4144 that the sincere believers have access to the Quran, regardless of their mother tongue. The disbelievers, on the other hand, are not permitted access to the Quran, even if they are professors of the Arabic language (1745, 1857, 4144, & 5679)."
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Peace peace !
I never actually learned how to read the Quran in Arabic. My husband is slowly trying to teach me how to read and write in Arabic, but it's going to take some time before I can read the Arabic script. Even then, I probably won't be able to understand much.
I consider myself fluent in English, and so I've always read translations without even approaching the Arabic. When I was a Sunni, I would recite some verses in Arabic for Salat or some duas, but I never felt a connection to God until I started to use English. I guess I can actually feel the words as I say them, when I use English.
So, do you think that I am not getting that optimum level of connection with God because I don't read and understand the Arabic? I know translations usually differ in some aspects, so I'm not even sure if the translation I am reading is even accurate at times. Like, I don't even know if I am reading and reflecting over the translation that is most accurate, so I feel a bit short-changed. I am sure other non Arabic speakers can relate..perhaps? I enjoy reading the Monotheistic Group's translation, Edips translation, Shabbir Ahmed, Asad, and yes..even Dr. Khalifa's because it's written pretty well apart from some serious errors, in my opinion. I have Laleh Bakhtiar's translation but find a bit tedious to read (no offense, good efforts on her part, May God reward her).
Ughh..I don't know if I made any sense? Can anyone relate? Any thoughts on my rambling? -\
I can relate as I am English so my first reading was in English, no point learning something in another language if I have no idea what it means.
I can recite some verses in Arabic and mostly pray in Arabic, but when I have prayed in English, and 'talked to God' in English, that's when I feel it and that's when I cry.
Now I use the openburhan site with all it's many translations in conjunction with the corpus quran site and look up the Arabic, the project root list helps too.
http//www.openburhan.com/ ----this is searchable, but it stopped working for me in anything but IE, unfortunately.
http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp
http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm
This will help with pronouncing words if you want to learn recitation
http//www.quranexplorer.com/Quran/God speaks all languages, you connect in your own language as that's when you will feel it.
peace
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Why Was the Qur'an Revealed in Arabic?
http//www.masjidtucson.org/quran/appendices/appendix4.html
"Arabic is the most efficient language in the world, especially when it comes to the precise statement of laws. Since the Quran is a Statute Book, it was crucial that such laws must be clearly stated. God chose Arabic for His Final Testament because of the obvious reason that it is the most suitable language for that purpose. Arabic is unique in its efficiency and accuracy."
Nothing to do with Muhammed speaking Arabic then? ???
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Peace peace !
I never actually learned how to read the Quran in Arabic. My husband is slowly trying to teach me how to read and write in Arabic, but it's going to take some time before I can read the Arabic script. Even then, I probably won't be able to understand much.
I consider myself fluent in English, and so I've always read translations without even approaching the Arabic. When I was a Sunni, I would recite some verses in Arabic for Salat or some duas, but I never felt a connection to God until I started to use English. I guess I can actually feel the words as I say them, when I use English.
So, do you think that I am not getting that optimum level of connection with God because I don't read and understand the Arabic? I know translations usually differ in some aspects, so I'm not even sure if the translation I am reading is even accurate at times. Like, I don't even know if I am reading and reflecting over the translation that is most accurate, so I feel a bit short-changed. I am sure other non Arabic speakers can relate..perhaps? I enjoy reading the Monotheistic Group's translation, Edips translation, Shabbir Ahmed, Asad, and yes..even Dr. Khalifa's because it's written pretty well apart from some serious errors, in my opinion. I have Laleh Bakhtiar's translation but find a bit tedious to read (no offense, good efforts on her part, May God reward her).
Ughh..I don't know if I made any sense? Can anyone relate? Any thoughts on my rambling? -\
Salaam,
It's not necessary to learn arabic.
But it surely helps if you can distinguish the characters from each other.
Try to learn the characters by using a transliteration, The arabic Quran and listening to slow reciters.salaam,
Bender -
Same here. I don't read a lick of Arabic... I tried to learn it last year, but of course it was difficult and I quit.
I am reading it in English, and I pray in English.
Food for thought I know a brother who has learned Arabic and STILL accepts the false teachings of Islam. How in the world does that happen once one understands the language? Can he not see the differences in the meanings of what the words actually say verses what he has been taught?
It's not that he can't...he doesn't want to.
Peace,
Amina
Peace all,
There is no problem whatever language you use for praying to your Lord or while seeking His help. But to understand alQuraan and to enjoy its usage of words and its meanings, you must at least know how to "read" Arabic. This is required. As I always says that alQuraan is based on it's structural design, patterns set in it, etc. That is how it guide humans 2185, God knows that everyone cannot understand Arabic language in depth.
People who are fluent in Arabic are fail to see the truth because they are happy with their knowledge and don't like to look at the patterns or alQuraan. Patterns makes things easy for all, hence it is set in alQuraan. To understand those patterns, one must know at least how to "read" Arabic. I think this is enough in the beginning to start with.
All most all the translators translated alQuraan based on hadith that they believe in. Hence, you will find MAXIMUM contradictions as per 482. If you know how to read alQuraan, then you are on the way, alRahmaan will teach you alQuraan 551-2 and again it needs at least reading of Arabic.
Translations are NOT alQuraan, but they are modifications/twisted word of God with full of personal interpretations, hadith stories, ignorances of facts, etc. It has nothing to do with alQuraan actually.
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His only path pr
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Peace mmkhan.
I disagree with you. Some are prevented From understanding " Qoran" even if they are " Arabic".
It is God who teaches / explains the Qoran. The language is irrelevant.
4144 If We made it a non- Arabic Koran,( scripture) they would have said why did it come down in that language.( Whatever language GOD chooses, there is always those who want it in a different one?) Whether it is Arabic or non-Arabic ( It happens to be Arabic because the messenger was Arab! GOD sent the Torah in Hebrew, the language of the children of Israel and Jesus spoke Aramaic ,so the Gospel came in Aramaic) Say? For those who believe, it is a guide and healing; As for those who disbelieve, they will be deaf and blind to it ( Even if they were pure Arabs!) as if they were addressed from far away.? ( Nowadays no language is a barrier! The message is more important than the language! More importantly if GOD is the author, HE guides with HIS words those who choose to be guided?)
Language does not matter!
Peace.
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Peace all,
There is no problem whatever language you use for praying to your Lord or while seeking His help. But to understand alQuraan and to enjoy its usage of words and its meanings, you must at least know how to "read" Arabic. This is required. As I always says that alQuraan is based on it's structural design, patterns set in it, etc. That is how it guide humans 2185, God knows that everyone cannot understand Arabic language in depth.
what is the point in learning to "read" it if one doesn't "understand" what they are reading?People who are fluent in Arabic are fail to see the truth because they are happy with their knowledge and don't like to look at the patterns or alQuraan. Patterns makes things easy for all, hence it is set in alQuraan. To understand those patterns, one must know at least how to "read" Arabic. I think this is enough in the beginning to start with.
People who are fluent in Arabic fail to see the truth because they seem to concentrate more on "reciting" it rather than "reading" it to make sense of it.All most all the translators translated alQuraan based on hadith that they believe in.
I disagree, a person can translate one language to another based on meaning of words and nothing to do with hadith, just the same as any other literature can be translated to another language based on the meaning of words.I do however agree that many translations do have "meanings" placed in () such as the many translations some people here have used.
Hence, you will find MAXIMUM contradictions as per 482. If you know how to read alQuraan, then you are on the way, alRahmaan will teach you alQuraan 551-2 and again it needs at least reading of Arabic.
Translations are NOT alQuraan, but they are modifications/twisted word of God with full of personal interpretations, hadith stories, ignorances of facts, etc. It has nothing to do with alQuraan actually.
Again, learning to read it without understanding what you are reading is nowhere near going to help. Learning the Arabic letters is pretty easy, learning the meaning of all of it isn't. I like the corpus Quran for the reason it gives word by word instead of throwing in someone else's meaning to it.peace
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Again, learning to read it without understanding what you are reading is nowhere near going to help. Learning the Arabic letters is pretty easy, learning the meaning of all of it isn't. I like the corpus Quran for the reason it gives word by word instead of throwing in someone else's meaning to it.
The sentence perhaps intends to convey that "learning to recite from memory-or to read/utter written words" and not "learning to read" is nowhere going to help.
"Read" means to interpret written material, and perceive the thought-idea-information-fact mirrored therein.
The Corpus is at the moment just throwing in someone else's meanings to individual words. However, grammatical information helps the interested people to get an idea about the accuracy of translation mentioned therein.
It should however be kept in mind that except few scholars, none of the hundreds of translators attempted translation directly from the Arabic text, they merely re-translated by substituting target language words with synonyms-synonymous words----rest translated it with hadith literature on the back of their minds and not the words of Qur'aan.
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Same here, I do not know arabic. I mostly read the English translations. As for the differences in translations, it will be the same thing even if you knew arabic. Since the translations are done by professional people who know arabci, they still differ. Which means, even if you knew arabic, you might think of a verse differently than the other person.
What I have discovered is, once you start reading the Quran regularly, you will know its message as a whole. Its key messages. What small small differences in translation we have, you will be able to come to understand it by reasoning and logic. There are lots of verses which deal with the same subject. Hence, you will not go too far from its meaning by a single mis-translation. And you would immediately notice it. I think we just need to STUDY the Quran as a whole book.
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Same here, I do not know arabic. I mostly read the English translations. As for the differences in translations, it will be the same thing even if you knew arabic. Since the translations are done by professional people who know arabci, they still differ. Which means, even if you knew arabic, you might think of a verse differently than the other person.
What I have discovered is, once you start reading the Quran regularly, you will know its message as a whole. Its key messages. What small small differences in translation we have, you will be able to come to understand it by reasoning and logic. There are lots of verses which deal with the same subject. Hence, you will not go too far from its meaning by a single mis-translation. And you would immediately notice it. I think we just need to STUDY the Quran as a whole book.
Well said, totally agree peace
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An Authorized English Version
Translated from the original by Dr. Rashad Khalifa, Ph.D.http//www.submission.info/quran/frames/index.html
Why is his translation authorized? Because he brought proofs!
Compare Dr Khalifa's translation with other translations or read it side by side with the Arabic
http//quranbrowser.submission.info/also
"His translation on many Noble Verses is actually very good and much better than many of the Islamic ones out there. Plus, he uses the accurate translation of "egg-shaped" for the Arabic word "dahaha" in Noble Verse 7930 to prove that Allah Almighty did indeed declare that He had made the earth into a spherical form." -
Peace Sister,
don't worry, there are ARABIC speakers which do NOT understand the Quran itself, because the Quran is in Classical Arabic not colloquial... Don't waste your time learning a foreign language, go do good deeds instead
Use this Website to read side-by-side translations....
http//www.islamawakened.com/quran/default.htmSee
Why language is irrelevant!
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603266.0 -
Peace Sister,
don't worry, there are ARABIC speakers which do NOT understand the Quran itself, because the Quran is in Classical Arabic not colloquial... Don't waste your time learning a foreign language, go do good deeds instead )
Use this Website to read side-by-side translations....
http//www.islamawakened.com/quran/default.htmSee
Why language is irrelevant!
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603266.0Salamaun alaika,
Did you find any major difference between those 42 translations?
That might make you realize how important is to learn the language to understand the text of a foregin language. -
Greetings and Peace, all group
Peace peace !
I never actually learned how to read the Quran in Arabic. My husband is slowly trying to teach me how to read and write in Arabic, but it's going to take some time before I can read the Arabic script. Even then, I probably won't be able to understand much.
I consider myself fluent in English, and so I've always read translations without even approaching the Arabic. When I was a Sunni, I would recite some verses in Arabic for Salat or some duas, but I never felt a connection to God until I started to use English. I guess I can actually feel the words as I say them, when I use English.
So, do you think that I am not getting that optimum level of connection with God because I don't read and understand the Arabic? I know translations usually differ in some aspects, so I'm not even sure if the translation I am reading is even accurate at times. Like, I don't even know if I am reading and reflecting over the translation that is most accurate, so I feel a bit short-changed. I am sure other non Arabic speakers can relate..perhaps? I enjoy reading the Monotheistic Group's translation, Edips translation, Shabbir Ahmed, Asad, and yes..even Dr. Khalifa's because it's written pretty well apart from some serious errors, in my opinion. I have Laleh Bakhtiar's translation but find a bit tedious to read (no offense, good efforts on her part, May God reward her).
Ughh..I don't know if I made any sense? Can anyone relate? Any thoughts on my rambling? -\
@Released It would seem that in some cases the meanings of Arabic have been twisted. Knowing Arabic but taking twisted meanings (where they occur) as being correct is no better than reading a translation.
How can this be minimized? Use multiple translations, and cross reference words. Personally, I like to use http//corpus.quran.com/ to cross reference words/meanings. If something doesn't seem to make sense, it might be a clue! )
An example of a twisted meaning? Dhukira, in 6118. Compare it with 3135 and 82.
An additional example is fa-udh'kur in 2236. When compared to 774 and 7205, the correct meaning is obvious.
In any case, AQ is ultimately a tool. A VERY useful tool, but just a means to an end. To quote Bruce Lee "It is like a finger pointing toward the moon. Don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory."
ALLAH knows best.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
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don't worry, there are ARABIC speakers which do NOT understand the Quran itself, because the Quran is in Classical Arabic not colloquial... Don't waste your time learning a foreign language, go do good deeds instead )
hypno
May Allah protect us from such behavior and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhan