Where did "wudu" come from??
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but are we too proud to humiliate ourselves in front of the Creator?
So when we bow, is He realy there in front of us? And i thought he was to the right and left , above and below, in front and back of us - and in our hearts also. How do you people stand facing him?
I think we all face Him when we do right , but turn away when we do wrong.........
peace
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In the name of God, most Gracious, most Merciful
Peace,
God is of course present everywhere, but to avoid confusion the congregation was told to face in a certain direction.
Of course God hears you even if you face in a completely different direction, but you would not follow the guide.
If you believe in the infallibility of the Quran, then you know contact prayers are performed by physical prostration.
Remember all you do is part of a big test, all religious practices, your life, moral character and absolutely everything. This life is just a temporary illusion, no reason to get an excessive love for its vanities. Better just be good, and receive your true reward later.
I usually see this world as an unusually real video game, a simulation, way more realistic than the best games available. God set the game world and its rules at creation, and that is why this world feels like it has limitations as God created limitations. God created death and any other feature of the game.
This gives a feeling of the Matrix, does it not?
May God convince you
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SAlaam
thanks 357 good and simple definition. i totaly agree
ok lets see if i spend the same time you spend prostrated fedding the poor or helping neeedy, wich action is more benfical for humanity? my prostration who only will feed my ego and think that im speacil or to use the same time to do good deeds? whats the good in a prostration(physical) am i not awere of Creator if i dont postrate? ..to where this prostration? meka? east?west? ive see milions prostrating ..but no kindness no respect no tolerance.. sujud and ruku are other stuff than physical bow and prostration.. prayer doesnt prevent haram as many say..but discipline training and meditation yes.SAlaam/peace/paz
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In the name of God, the most Gracious, the most Merciful
Peace,
Only observing the prayers is not enough for salvation, it is easy to understand through reading the Quran. Praying does not make you a good person on its own, especially not if you do like millions of Muslims in the world do, mention Muhammad or any other name while you pray.
The Quran says very clearly that charity and other righteous deeds are a must to be admitted into God's paradise.
Stop abrogate the words of God in your distaste of traditional Islam. Everything the traditional Muslims do is not wrong, it would be arrogant to say so.
Wudhu is clearly described in the Quran (56) to be performed before approaching the prayers.
If you say we are not supposed to prostrate physically, I can be so frank as to say you do not believe the Quran. And then I did not intend to offend you. The Quran explicitly talks about praying in the thousands of year old prostration ritual.
May God offer you guidance lest you go astray
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Salaam
PEace bro peace
where word whudu in quran? ok..no water clean to soil? makes sense to you? if you go to force of nature and no water? you think if pass sand in you you get cleaner??? try it yourself..pleaseand traditional islam is not all wrong.. but majority yes..
now that one that if i dont postrate in ground i dont bealive in Quran thats amazing -X .. do you know the ayat when Musa enter city prostrated? do you think he entered the city with head on the ground? amazing.. -X
No ment to be ofensive anyway and realy apreciate youre post..SAlaam peace
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Peace,
No offense taken.
Just in case of Moses it was in a submissive respect-showing way he entered, not literally head on the ground.
As for dry ablution, I have never tried it so I am not sure. There has to be a meaning for the statement anyhow, otherwise the scripture is not infallible.
Wudhu is the washing before prayers, stated in 56. Its steps are clearly explained.
Read about praying in case of war, it cannot be just some "mind prostrations". Be reasonable please.
Do you want to make fun of millions and millions of submitters who have been prostrating for thousands of years?
Have you ever read the Quran from cover to cover and meditated upon it?
Be careful so you do not walk astray. Listen, I say this because I care, not out of arrogance.
God bless you
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SAlaam
ok by youre translation Quran say if no water you just need to purify arms and face in a stone/sand watever..and why not the feet?
..maybe i read Quran from cover to cover more times than you but anyaway thats no the point..many recite allQuran and still dont even know what they are parroting..thats why i dont fall the traps youre falling.. can you please explain this sujud acording to Quran?position? jewish prostration is full body in horizontal..teel me where you can find head on ground in AlQuran?? and please put word whuduu for me in atabic to read please . NOW ok sheck same verse of war and youll find contradiction they Salat with kafir and then let go? or let go if they aqimo sallawat and atuu zakat---get in acordance(sujud) to divine laws and to sustain it? thats more logical to be a pact and contract for peace than to make pray only and let go, ..To short SAlat while traveling is that if you find yourself in hard situation to implent Allah divine laws on its full content the same way you can aplly while in your confort zone and rutine... ..anyway milions in world say jesus is Isa and i dont bealive and other milion say he died in a cross and was son of God and i dont bealive. do you bealive?but in shaa Allah soon ill bring you the verses for you..
Thanks for reply..i was imagine Musa enter the city with head in ground with no ofense ,
Barak Allahu feek
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Peace,
Trust me, I do not read the Quran just for reading and acting like a parrot. I can sit or lie down for hours thinking about what I have read. Please you insult me.
Physical prostration is advocated by the Quran, we just have to face it. It is OK if you prostrate like a Jew, as long as you do it. Just remember the postures standing, bowing and prostrating. Read sura 1 in English, it is just fine or glorify him with you own written poem. Give God compliments. Remember Him all day long.
I think you confuse me with the mainstream Muslims in the world.
Remember the majority of those who believe do not do so without committing idol worship and most people are destined for Hell.
May God forgive our sins
God bless you
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Peace,
I usually see this world as an unusually real video game, a simulation, way more realistic than the best games available. God set the game world and its rules at creation, and that is why this world feels like it has limitations as God created limitations. God created death and any other feature of the game.
This gives a feeling of the Matrix, does it not?
May God convince you
Salaam Man of Faith,
I understand what you mean. Just want you to know that it's not a game.
2116 And We did not create the heavens and the earth and what is between them for entertainment.
2117 If We wanted to be amused, We could have done so from what is already with Us, if that is what We wished to do.
2118 No, We cast with the truth upon the falsehood, so it disrupts it, and then it retreats. And woe to you for what you have described.
2119 And to Him is whoever is in the heavens and on the earth. And those who are near Him are not too proud to serve Him, nor do they complain.Salaam,
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Peace Bender,
The game thing was an allegory. Of course I know what you mean.
Can you not draw a parallel between this life and a game?
It is dead serious this life, and you have only one chance. A difficult game aye?
Sometimes the game allegory makes it easier for me to cope with life.
Hope you understood.
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Peace Bender,
The game thing was an allegory. Of course I know what you mean.
Can you not draw a parallel between this life and a game?
It is dead serious this life, and you have only one chance. A difficult game aye?
Sometimes the game allegory makes it easier for me to cope with life.
Hope you understood.
Salaam,
RED That's why I said that I understood what you meant with it
Yes we can see it as some sort of game to make it easier to understand but Allah warns us that it's not a game, but dead serious. -
Peace Bender,
It is no game for entertainment. As far as I know a game does not have to necessarily mean an amusement game.
Anyway, it was in terms of showing allegorically that God has given us the game rules and a game world to use our character in the best possible way to redeem ourselves.
Game features is what he created for this world, like death, birth, hunger, pain, reproduction, pleasure sensation etc. If He had wanted we could live without dieing, thus it is a rule of this game.
Without talking in an allegorical way we can say; this is not a game, this is for real.
Sorry now the topic has derailed. See how it can go.
May God lead us on a straight path
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Peace Bender,
It is no game for entertainment. As far as I know a game does not have to necessarily mean an amusement game.
Anyway, it was in terms of showing allegorically that God has given us the game rules and a game world to use our character in the best possible way to redeem ourselves.
Game features is what he created for this world, like death, birth, hunger, pain, reproduction, pleasure sensation etc. If He had wanted we could live without dieing, thus it is a rule of this game.
Without talking in an allegorical way we can say; this is not a game, this is for real.
Sorry now the topic has derailed. See how it can go.
May God lead us on a straight path
Salaam,
yes it was off topic I am very good in going off topic
Anyway, the game subject could be a nice topic though -
Life is like a card game. God is the dealer, he deals everyone a hand, how you play is up to you.
God is the cosmic card dealer, he is the house, he makes the rules, on can pout, cry foul, hate it,
fall on the floor kicking and screaming like a three year old, ask why, philosophize, but the point
of religion/path/way/deen is guidance and that God is All-Powerful and answers to no one.You cannot ask this dealer what he is doing or why or how he is dealing.
Have they found gods on earth who can create?
If there were in them (the heavens and the earth) other gods beside GOD, there would have been chaos. Glory be to GOD; the Lord with absolute authority. He is high above their claims.
He is never to be asked about anything He does, while all others are questioned. -
Peace hawkninetynine,
Thanks for a nice allegory. I got interested in creating a new thread with this allegorical view as a topic.
Time in the game is elapsing.
May God appreciate our jokes
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Life is like a card game. God is the dealer, he deals everyone a hand, how you play is up to you.
Peace, &
2116
2116 And We did not create the heaven and earth and that between them in play.2117
2117 Had We intended to take a passtime, We could have taken it from with Us - if We were to do so.May Allah help us understand the truth and guide us to Him alone pr
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Peace, &
2116
2116 And We did not create the heaven and earth and that between them in play.2117
2117 Had We intended to take a passtime, We could have taken it from with Us - if We were to do so.May Allah help us understand the truth and guide us to Him alone pr
mmKhanPeace mmkhan,
You must understand what parable means, it's a moral or religious story, a short simple story intended to illustrate a moral or religious lesson.
aaaahhhh, language barriers!
may God guide us
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It is a fact according to how i understand the ayah (do you understand it any different?) the ayah is talking to people in general and then simply says if one does such a thing then you must (all) do tayamum.
So the argument no way tarnsishes waht Dr Zamman has said.
IF QZ and you were being consistent you'd say if one did X then all do tayamum, and if you ALL do y and z, you ALL do tayamum, then, ideally, explained why this was so, but he is silent on the issue. Likewise, you do not actually address the point I raise.
The rest of the counter argument can be no different.............it is some one who does believe in namaz ( i think) and just trying to save the day with baseless arguments.
As is clear from my many posts I do not believe in "namaz". As I said
I have noticed something about those who consider QZ's views credible, and that is they frequently make illogical arguments/statements.
