New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
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Peace brother Ayman.
However, you are right that it may be better to specify the meaning as "obedience" right away and then explain in chapter 4. I have changed this based on your comment and uploaded a new version.
Yes, I think this is better. Thank you However, now a new problem occurs You refer to obedience, but in the traditional translations you provide no obedience is mentioned. I think this may lead to confusions. Maybe it would be better to point out briefly that sujud is traditionally translated as prostration and that you are goind to explain your translation in the next chapter? What do you think?
Peace.
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Peace brother Timur,
Yes, I think this is better. Thank you ) However, now a new problem occurs You refer to obedience, but in the traditional translations you provide no obedience is mentioned. I think this may lead to confusions. Maybe it would be better to point out briefly that sujud is traditionally translated as prostration and that you are goind to explain your translation in the next chapter? What do you think?
I provide a short explanation of why "sujud" means obedience as you suggested. I just uploaded the new version.
Thanks for the great input and support.
Ayman
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Peace brother Timur,
I provide a short explanation of why "sujud" means obedience as you suggested. I just uploaded the new version.Thanks for the great input and support.
Ayman
Where? Provide explanation where?
Sajdah - in Arabic means to prostrate and not "obedience".
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http//www.quran4peace.org/documents/Quran4peace-English-part3.pdf
This document is someone's made up and baseless views with many errors.
As we saw in the previous chapter, the common noun ?islam? is not the meaningless proper name of a religion.
Incorrect - virtually every scholar of Islam would term Islam as a Proper Noun.
For example, while ?islam? means peacemaking
By whose reckoning?
The word Islam means "To submit". Well documented . . . unless one invents completely new meanings.
As we can see, the word ?taslim? in 3356 is translated as salutation. However, by doing a simple search in the Quran, everyone can easily find the same exact word used in 465 to clearly mean ?submission? not ?salutation?.
Words have different meanings in different contexts . . .
Sallama does have the meaning of to send peace/greetings/salutation.
It is obvious that the word ?taslim? in the Quran is used to mean ?submission? and not ?salutation?.
Actually it is far from obvious. By finding different usage that alone is not sufficient reason to go and change the meaning of another word.
So, according to 3356, when people say ?sala allah alayh wa salam? they are ignorantly saying that the god submits (the god be most exalted). So billions of people, including so-called scholars, have been mindlessly uttering what is essentially a gross blasphemyagainst the god!
Shock, Horror! Or what the case likely to be is . . . that YOU are wrong. Think about it . . . Arabs whose language it is . . . have produced outstanding scholars of Arabic and what not . . . and others that are not Arab . . .
They all missed it . . . and yet . . . . you have spotted this mistake?
Unlikely.
People are not saying God submits at all . . .
Read
"Indeed, Allah confers blessing upon the Prophet, and His angels . O you who have believed, ask blessing upon him and ask peace."
The above is one bit . . . rest of document is filled with unqualified amateurish nonsense.
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Peace Chimp.
Sajdah - in Arabic means to prostrate and not "obedience".
How do you translate 258, 4154 or 7161?
Please have a look here http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-of-SuJuD-from-Quran.html
Summary of issues http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9601641.msg328785#msg328785Here you can read an older article by brother Ayman containing information about the meaning of sujud. At that time he rendered it as "hearing and obeying", which is in the essence no difference to "obedience" http//www.free-minds.org/Old/articles/gods_system/name.htm
Here you contradict yourself concerning the meaning of islam
Incorrect - virtually every scholar of Islam would term Islam as a Proper Noun.
The word Islam means "To submit". Well documented . . . unless one invents completely new meanings.
So what shall it be? A proper noun or a common noun meaning "submission"?
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Peace Chimp.
How do you translate 258, 4154 or 7161?
Please have a look here http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-of-SuJuD-from-Quran.html
Summary of issues http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9601641.msg328785#msg328785Here you can read an older article by brother Ayman containing information about the meaning of sujud. At that time he rendered it as "hearing and obeying", which is in the essence no difference to "obedience" http//www.free-minds.org/Old/articles/gods_system/name.htm
Here you contradict yourself concerning the meaning of islam
So what shall it be? A proper noun or a common noun meaning "submission"?
Peace,
Disregard them; they only follow their leaders blindly.
6116 And if you obey most of those on the earth they will lead you away from the path of God; that is because they follow conjecture, and that is because they only guess.
3367 And they will say ?Our Lord, we have obeyed our leaders and our learned ones, but they misled us from the path.?Peace
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Quran 258
"And when We said, "Enter this city and eat from it wherever you will in abundance, and enter the gate bowing humbly and say, 'Relieve us of our burdens.' We will forgive your sins for you, and We will increase the doers of good .""
And We raised over them the mount for their covenant; and We said to them, "Enter the gate bowing humbly", and We said to them, "Do not transgress on the sabbath", and We took from them a solemn covenant.
And , when it was said to them, "Dwell in this city and eat from it wherever you will and say, 'Relieve us of our burdens,' and enter the gate bowing humbly; We will forgive you your sins. We will increase the doers of good ."
In all the meaning is right . . . inventing new meanings is OBVIOUSLY 100% wrong.
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I do not contradict my self over the word Islam.
Islam - the word means "Submission". And it is also a nomenclature - when referring to the Muslim religion it is a Proper Noun.
Proper Nouns to have meanings! For example my name "Amin" is proper name and has a meaning!
Once again . . you simply cannot "invent" new meanings. It is 100% wrong.
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Peace,
Disregard them; they only follow their leaders blindly.
6116 And if you obey most of those on the earth they will lead you away from the path of God; that is because they follow conjecture, and that is because they only guess.
3367 And they will say ?Our Lord, we have obeyed our leaders and our learned ones, but they misled us from the path.?Peace
Sorry - but you are just getting abusive for the sake of abuse . . .
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I am far more educated than you.
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Far more smarter.
Live with it.
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Salaam,
How about inventing new words in ayaats of The Quran? How much "...%" wrong or right is that?
Salaam,
Bender100%. Pointless question. If you want to have a conversation - fine. Try this wise-cracking nonsense . . . I am not interested. Don't bother replying. I will report you for it.
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100%. Pointless question. If you want to have a conversation - fine. Try this wise-cracking nonsense . . . I am not interested. Don't bother replying. I will report you for it.
Salaam,
BLUE 100% wrong or 100% right?
RED I just did it & have mercy on me &
Salaam,
Bender -
And far more arrogant.
Peace
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Salaam,
100% wrong or 100% right?
You for sure can answer this not so bright question.Salaam,
BenderWhen it comes Quran Only - they are nasty as can be . . . but you know protected. . . . dare anyone else counter-act. . .
Dearie - inventing new words is worse than new meanings for words. . . so it is 100% wrong. Given my previous answer . . . it leaves no margin which option.
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I just continued on the list.
You know Shaytaan said "I am better than he"
You indirectly also say "I am better than you"Thus Shaytaan was very arrogant and I unfortunately see those traits in you too without intending to be dogmatic. You know full well I am relatively intelligent but you must shine with your projected intelligence.
Anyway, I have no interest of discussing with arrogant fools when other people are more worthy of my attention. Please continue to study the meaning of the Message instead of getting stuck on words.
Peace
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When it comes Quran Only - they are nasty as can be . . . but you know protected. . . . dare anyone else counter-act. . .
Salaam,
Not sure to who you are talking here.
If you want to say something to me just say it straight, in this way it looks like you have a multiple personality disorder.
And fyi I'm NOT "Quran Only".Dearie - inventing new words is worse than new meanings for words. . . so it is 100% wrong. Given my previous answer . . . it leaves no margin which option.
Here is your chance to correct yourself
Quran 258
"And when We said, "Enter this city and eat from it wherever you will in abundance, and enter the gate bowing humbly and say, 'Relieve us of our burdens.' We will forgive your sins for you, and We will increase the doers of good .""
And We raised over them the mount for their covenant; and We said to them, "Enter the gate bowing humbly", and We said to them, "Do not transgress on the sabbath", and We took from them a solemn covenant.
And , when it was said to them, "Dwell in this city and eat from it wherever you will and say, 'Relieve us of our burdens,' and enter the gate bowing humbly; We will forgive you your sins. We will increase the doers of good ."
You who posses the Arabic language to master degree and is eager to point out others inventions in the ayaats of The Quran, for sure have noticed the 100% wrong inventions in the translations above.
So please remove all the inventions in these translations you copy-pasted.salaam,
Benderps You can not edit your post now but if you ask a moderator kindly, I am sure they will help you further.
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Where? Provide explanation where?
http//www.quran4peace.org/ar_index.html
Sajdah - in Arabic means to prostrate and not "obedience".
If one thinks that "sujud" means someone wiping his forehead on the floor and not "obeying the god" then they have bigger problems than coming here and discussing religion on this forum. Surely, claiming that "sujud" is some superficial mechanical movements instead of "obeying the god" is the attitude of hypocrites and those who mindlessly immitate like monkeys.
The rest of the arguments are just as mindless, such as inability to grasp elementary school level concepts like the difference between proper names and common nouns, confusing nouns (islam) and verbs (to submit), and ignorance that "taslim" is a different Arabic Masdar than "salam", etc.
Peace,
Ayman