Perception and thought in 4:3-Polygamy for pleasure or obligation
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Simple sentence interpreted negatively. A woman will be one of the four wives of a man in Paradise. She will remain the wife of her worldly husband provided he is also in the Paradise. It does not mean woman's entrance is dependent on husband. Husband Pharoah is in hell, his wife is in Paradise. It can be so with any married woman.
Peace Mazhar,
Mazhar, I did not interpret the sentence negatively. I read it and provided you with a response. I don't have any intentions of interpreting anything negatively.
Where does it say in the Quran that a woman will be one of the four wives of a man in Paradise? God does not connect polygamy with Paradise. I am sorry, but this reminds me of what Mormons have told me, they are big on connecting Paradise with polygamy. I don't believe Paradise and coercing women to accept a polygamous lifestyle are connected at all. I believe that coercion is a form of oppression, which may be connected to Hellfire.
I know that I cannot handle it. I will very humbly remove myself from the situation, and move forward in life, God willing. Perhaps, I would move back in with my parents if they are still alive. If my husband is adamant, then I will simply remove myself from the marriage and his life. It is important for me to have a sexual relationship with my husband that is monogamous, as I only trust my husband, and would not trust the other women in the same manner. If they were to bring STDs or have any contagious diseases, then this would become a serious problem. He can then go on and provide a good life for the orphans and their mothers. I will have no part in it, and God is my witness as I say this. I will not subject myself to depression and an unhealthy marriage, as I too have the right to happiness.
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Salaam,
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Salaam,
Benderor was it not supposed to be funny hmm
Apparently not but at least we know he's looking forward to the end of days...for better or worse.
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Peace Mazhar,
I believe it was Dawn.
Pl see the meanings of Nikah in the article.
Allah the Exalted has however allowed that if the sexual intercourse is not done seperation-Talaq can be given. In such cases the woman can instantly marry another man without there being any restraint period.
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Apparently not but at least we know he's looking forward to the end of days...for better or worse.
Salaam friendly neighbourhood mod,
Soon we will come to know if he is right or not, the end of days is near, just 2 weeks from now on. (source wiki)
The good news for all of us is that we will not get the torture of the grave, because 21 december is on a friday yay (source Al-Tirmidhi Hadith 1367)Salaam,
Bender -
Well, you're wrong because Monday is the day to die. All other days pale by comparision, it is known.
In any case, any day can be the end of days for us, might as well plan for it. On which note, I wonder what happens to a wife whose husband is bound for hell? Is she part of someone else's harem of heavenly delights or does she get 4 nymphs of her own. Then again, maybe heaven is just being rid of the guy.
peace
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Then again, maybe heaven is just being rid of the guy.
Yes and opposite maybe true too...
6610 shows The God example for those who disbelieve woman Noah and woman Lot were under two servants from Our servants righteous so they both betrayed them so not they availed both of them from The God whatsoever and it was said enter the fire with the ones who enter
6611 and shows The God example to those who believe woman Pharaoh when said Lord build for me near You a house in the garden/paradise and save me from Pharaoh and his work and save me from the tribe the wrongdoers
Peace
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Well, you're wrong because Monday is the day to die. All other days pale by comparision, it is known.
Salaam,
Are you questioning Al-Tirmidhi o this is clear Kufr with capital K.
In any case, any day can be the end of days for us, might as well plan for it. On which note, I wonder what happens to a wife whose husband is bound for hell? Is she part of someone else's harem of heavenly delights or does she get 4 nymphs of her own. Then again, maybe heaven is just being rid of the guy.
peace
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What about a believer who dies, and then his believing wife marries a other believer, and the new husband also dies then she marries another believer, do they have to share her in paradise.
Salaam,
Bender -
Yes and opposite maybe true too...
Yep...but the male apparently gets a goodly amount of substitution.
Salaam,
Are you questioning Al-Tirmidhi o this is clear Kufr with capital K.
Tirmidhi is small fry, if I had questioned Bukhari then you'd have a point ;D
What about a believer who dies, and then his believing wife marries a other believer, and the new husband also dies then she marries another believer, do they have to share her in paradise.
Excellent question. Maybe there's heavenly cloning involved, along with some sort of perfected total recall like memory implantation so that she's not dreaming of one while with another.
peace
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Help me understand, Mazhar.
It is manifestly obvious from the foregoing that "Polygamy-having many spouses" as a Custom-Rule and as source-an approach of pleasure is not allowed in the Grand Qur'aan. It is prescribed rather to meet exceptional situations arising in the society and as a responsibility-duty-obligation imposed upon men who can manage and afford additional liability of caring for the bereaved children and wives of dead husbands. The Ayah-Verbal Unitary Passage begins with a conditional clause explaining existence-emergence of a peculiar situation, whereby Allah the Exalted issues orders-ordinance to tackle the situation. It is an accepted principle of law that if the prescribed precondition does not exist, the action allowed to be taken or the granted permission ceases to exist. It is thus obvious that Allah the Exalted has NOT allowed marrying four four virgins. Thereby, there is no concept of "Polygamy" in Qur'aan.
Are you saying that peculiar situations which apparently include one man multiple wives scenarios due to various reasons here, apply in heaven as well? And why on earth or heaven would that be?
Obligation precludes pleasure? Basically based on the above, only men financially capable (and allegedly having a 'serious' bent of mind where sex is a moral duty that must be done for the good of all or maybe justify it as "but it's for the women, I'm but a mere tool"... and hence undertaken in a suitably grim determined fashion inclusive of hectic schedules and comprehensive planning which is kinda hilarious to imagine; the stoicism is hot though) of maintaining multiple women have the apparent right to enjoy multiple pleasures which they probably would partake in... to the hilt, if you will. Rich men have it good, really. If there is something other than sexual pleasures being talked about, do clue me in on what that might be.
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Surat 55.46 to 72.
Perhaps you will compromise on this issue while enjoying life in one of the Gardens with your husband.
Peace Mazhar,
Unfortunately, I cannot. My mental health is important to me as well. I would initiate the divorce process, and with God lies my Judgement.
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Are you saying that peculiar situations which apparently include one man multiple wives scenarios due to various reasons here, apply in heaven as well? And why on earth or heaven would that be?
Earthly life has its own problems and situations. One is that of pairing for sex. Husband and Wife is the ideal pair.
Problem area emerges when men die and leave behind wives--now without a male partner. Number of women increase. What could be the best solution, let them re-marry. A widow may get an unmarried man, an ideal situation for her. However, if they are larger in number, they have but to opt marry already a married man. Why would a married man like to wed with a widowed woman? Only if he is made duty-bound. So the commdanding order-ordinance obliging them for it.
Paradise is something which is earned-purchased. Women win the race and get in the Paradise larger in number than the men who arrived in Paradise. What is the demand and solution of such situation.
Ordinary Men are wed with four wives. Information rather fascinating for men is that they all are made virgins when resurrected. So it is not obligation oriented but pleasure indicative. -
Peace Mazhar,
Would it not be possible for the widowed women to remain chaste? Must a nikah always constitute to sex? Is that momentary pleasure a reward for having taken on an additional financial responsibility? Is that momentary pleasure worth it when it stabs one's wife in the heart a thousand times over? Must we hurt one another so terribly and destroy our initial marriages.. in the name of justice? There must be other options...I do believe there are..
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Earthly life has its own problems and situations. One is that of pairing for sex. Husband and Wife is the ideal pair.
Problem area emerges when men die and leave behind wives--now without a male partner. Number of women increase. What could be the best solution, let them re-marry. A widow may get an unmarried man, an ideal situation for her. However, if they are larger in number, they have but to opt marry already a married man. Why would a married man like to wed with a widowed woman? Only if he is made duty-bound. So the commdanding order-ordinance obliging them for it.
Paradise is something which is earned-purchased. Women win the race and get in the Paradise larger in number than the men who arrived in Paradise. What is the demand and solution of such situation.
Ordinary Men are wed with four wives. Information rather fascinating for men is that they all are made virgins when resurrected. So it is not obligation oriented but pleasure indicative.Women win the race? How? Where is this? If anything it's the men that are dying earlier in your scenarios so the gold should be theirs. Is there any statistic that shows there are way more women than men ever created? If not and there aren't any, then why is there some kind of time dependent clause? Do the women who lived in the 19th century get to heaven faster than the women in the 21st? Are the women who lived as multiple wives due to a war etc for example in these scenarios, be deliberately lumped with the same conditions in heaven when some other women in non war situations for example in these scenarios, got one man for the rest of their lives (which you claim and accept is ideal) and later on too? Why? Were the women in the former situation...different than the latter?
Then, there are apparently exceptional cases where men would be 'duty bound' to marry more than one woman i.e. not the norm as in your article...then why would men ordinarily be wed with four wives? Ordinary men even. Information that is fascinating to a woman as well, since it's a woman that feels the pain of virginity really...but why would being virgins after resurrection point towards pleasure?
I'm actually mesmerised by this pov tbh...I couldn't imagine such scenarios in heaven even if there was a pitchfork pointed at me.
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Women win the race? How? Where is this?
We are advised to try taking lead in the race towards the Paradise.
And you people hasten emulously aiming at seeking protection and forgiveness, which is ensured subject to condition by the Elevated Messenger to you as promise from your Sustainer Lord, and towards the Paradise.
Her capaciousness-width is that of the Skies and the Earth.
The Paradise is prepared exclusively for those who endeavour for ultimate success remaining mindful and cautious, avoiding unrestrained conduct in reverence and fear of Allah the Exalted.