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Serious mistake in featured article: What is Salat?

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    Mazhar
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    Featured article states

    B. Timing for Salat

    According to the Qur?an, there are three Salat times that have been prescribed

    1.Salat Al-Fajr (Dawn Salat 245;
    2.Salat Al-Wusta (Middle Salat 223;
    3.Salat Al-Isha (Evening Salat 245.
    ?O you who believe, let those who are maintained by your oaths, and those who have attained puberty, request your permission regarding three times before the dawn Salat, and when you put off your attire from the noon time, and after the evening Salat. These are three private times for you. Other than these times, it is not wrong for you or them to intermingle with one another. God thus clarifies the revelations for you. And God is Knowledgeable, Wise.? (Qur?an 245

    ?Maintain the Salawaat; and the middle Salat; and stand for God dutifully.? (Qur?an 223

    Arabic original text is this

    is the definite PLURAL noun. Plural Noun in Arabic quantitatively denotes three and more. It does not denote two.

    Number of Time Bound Formal demonstration of Servitude and allegiance.

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      GODsubmitter
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      Well, certainly there are five daily contact-prayers (Salat) of course.

      All the best.

      peace

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        Personally, after changing views over and over, i have came to rest that 5 salat is the truth.

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          a-sm
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          Personally, after changing views over and over, i have came to rest that 5 salat is the truth.

          Me too, Brother!

          One amazing fact that should help freaks like us in this matter is that the plural word for prayers is 'salawat' and it is used in the Qur'an - guess how many times?

          you can go here and count them

          http//corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=Slw

          salam alaykum

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            hawk99
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            Well, certainly there are five daily contact-prayers (Salat) of course.
            All the best.
            peace

            Me too, Brother!
            One amazing fact that should help freaks like us in this matter is that the plural word for prayers is 'salawat' and it is used in the Qur'an - guess how many times?
            you can go here and count them
            http//corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=Slw
            salam alaykum

            Personally, after changing views over and over, i have came to rest that 5 salat is the truth.

            Therefore, be patient in the face of their utterances, and praise and glorify your Lord before sunrise and before sunset. And during the night glorify Him, as well as at both ends of the day, that you may be happy.

            group Thanks Mazhar

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              GODsubmitter
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              What an appropriate aya @hawkninetynine!

              Thank you so much!

              sun

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                mmkhan
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                Therefore, be patient in the face of their utterances, and praise and glorify your Lord before sunrise and before sunset. And during the night glorify Him, as well as at both ends of the day, that you may be happy.

                group Thanks Mazhar

                Salaam Hawk99,

                Just wanted to point out that

                Before sunrise = after Salaat alFajr
                Before sunset = before Salaat al3shaan

                May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His only path pr
                mmKhan

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                  hawk99
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                  Salaam Hawk99,

                  Just wanted to point out that

                  Before sunrise = after Salaat alFajr
                  Before sunset = before Salaat al3shaan

                  May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His only path pr
                  mmKhan

                  Peace mmkhan,

                  Much appreciated but what is "Before sunset = before Salaat al3shaan"?

                  O0

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                    mmkhan
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                    Peace mmkhan,

                    Much appreciated but what is "Before sunset = before Salaat al3shaan"?

                    O0

                    Peace hawk99,

                    Before sunset is a time before the starting time of Salaat al3shaan.

                    May God bless you,
                    mmKhan

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                      Mazhar
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                      Sorry gentelmen,

                      Ayah 20130 has no relationship with As-Salat.

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                        hawk99
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                        Sorry gentelmen,

                        Ayah 20130 has no relationship with As-Salat.

                        Peace Mazhar,

                        And why not?

                        O0

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                          mmkhan
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                          Peace Mazhar,

                          And why not?

                          O0

                          Peace Hawk99,

                          Because, as I said, it was not referring to Salaat times.

                          May God bless you,
                          mmKhan

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                            hawk99
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                            Peace mmkhan,

                            Does "Glorify or praise your lord" just happen to coincide with normal times of salat?

                            O0

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                              Mazhar
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                              Peace mmkhan,

                              Does "Glorify or praise your lord" just happen to coincide with normal times of salat?

                              O0

                              Salamun alaika,

                              Please "read" the Arabic text and merely recognize the individual words as to what they denote about plurality, you might conclude that it does not coincide with normal five times of salat.

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                                hawk99
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                                Peace Mazhar, mmkhan,

                                Thank you both for the correct understanding of the ayat

                                handshake

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                                  mmkhan
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                                  Peace Mazhar, mmkhan,

                                  Thank you both for the correct understanding of the ayat

                                  handshake

                                  Peace brother,

                                  You are very welcome... handshake

                                  May Allah bless you and guide us to His only path pr
                                  mmKhan

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                                    I believe the burden of proof is still upon those who reject the five salat. I have never seen anybody offer a convincing argument that proves the salat was modified after the Prophet and his companions died. How the witness of so many thousands of people could be covered up is absurd to even consider, when even the most deviant Islamic sects all pray five times. Some people in this forum have surpassed the shia in rebellion and ignorance to the order of Allah Almighty. May He grant mercy for you while you waver in your doubt. Some of you will realize the importance of the precision of salat in the form it was revealed to the last messenger, and maybe stop taking it lightly. I fear for you, because Allah says in surah 94 woe unto those who take salat lightly. It's better not to do salat at all than to play with it.

                                    Now that I have warned you, as I must, I want to point out one small anomaly in the salat that I do believe is a human innovation. It must be a test from Allah to see who is really following the Qur'an.

                                    The silent rakaa.

                                    (17.110) Say Appeal to God, or appeal to the Mercy-giving whichever you may invoke, He still has the finest names. Do not shout in your prayer nor say it under your breath; seek a course in between.

                                    Please notice here the word used is salat!

                                    Allah Most High is ordering his slaves never to do this. So I recite alfatiha out loud in every rakaa, while the sunni people recite silently dhuhr, asr, and the 1 or 2 rakaa after the break. I understand greeting the masjid sometimes requires people to do salat quietly so as not to disturb others, but I still try to find a place by myself where I can voice it.

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                                      I believe the burden of proof is still upon those who reject the five salat. I have never seen anybody offer a convincing argument that proves the salat was modified after the Prophet and his companions died. How the witness of so many thousands of people could be covered up is absurd to even consider, when even the most deviant Islamic sects all pray five times. Some people in this forum have surpassed the shia in rebellion and ignorance to the order of Allah Almighty. May He grant mercy for you while you waver in your doubt. Some of you will realize the importance of the precision of salat in the form it was revealed to the last messenger, and maybe stop taking it lightly. I fear for you, because Allah says in surah 94 woe unto those who take salat lightly. It's better not to do salat at all than to play with it.

                                      Now that I have warned you, as I must, I want to point out one small anomaly in the salat that I do believe is a human innovation. It must be a test from Allah to see who is really following the Qur'an.

                                      The silent rakaa.

                                      (17.110) Say Appeal to God, or appeal to the Mercy-giving whichever you may invoke, He still has the finest names. Do not shout in your prayer nor say it under your breath; seek a course in between.

                                      Please notice here the word used is salat!

                                      Allah Most High is ordering his slaves never to do this. So I recite alfatiha out loud in every rakaa, while the sunni people recite silently dhuhr, asr, and the 1 or 2 rakaa after the break. I understand greeting the masjid sometimes requires people to do salat quietly so as not to disturb others, but I still try to find a place by myself where I can voice it.

                                      Agreed

                                      Peace a-sm,

                                      The salat is five opportunities to praise and glorify our lord. Many make excuses to satisfy themselves
                                      but God knows our intentions.

                                      "Our Lord, make us submitters to You, and from our descendants let there be a community
                                      of submitters to You. Teach us the rites of our religion, and redeem us. You are the Redeemer,
                                      Most Merciful.

                                      The knolls of Safa and Marwah are among the rites decreed by GOD. Anyone who observes
                                      Hajj or 'Umrah commits no error by traversing the distance between them. If one volunteers more
                                      righteous works, then GOD is Appreciative, Omniscient.

                                      ONE GOD

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                                        I believe the burden of proof is still upon those who reject the five salat. I have never seen anybody offer a convincing argument that proves the salat was modified after the Prophet and his companions died. How the witness of so many thousands of people could be covered up is absurd to even consider, when even the most deviant Islamic sects all pray five times. Some people in this forum have surpassed the shia in rebellion and ignorance to the order of Allah Almighty. May He grant mercy for you while you waver in your doubt. Some of you will realize the importance of the precision of salat in the form it was revealed to the last messenger, and maybe stop taking it lightly. I fear for you, because Allah says in surah 94 woe unto those who take salat lightly. It's better not to do salat at all than to play with it.

                                        Now that I have warned you, as I must, I want to point out one small anomaly in the salat that I do believe is a human innovation. It must be a test from Allah to see who is really following the Qur'an.

                                        The silent rakaa.

                                        (17.110) Say Appeal to God, or appeal to the Mercy-giving whichever you may invoke, He still has the finest names. Do not shout in your prayer nor say it under your breath; seek a course in between.

                                        Please notice here the word used is salat!

                                        Allah Most High is ordering his slaves never to do this. So I recite alfatiha out loud in every rakaa, while the sunni people recite silently dhuhr, asr, and the 1 or 2 rakaa after the break. I understand greeting the masjid sometimes requires people to do salat quietly so as not to disturb others, but I still try to find a place by myself where I can voice it.

                                        Of course @a-sm, Dr. Rashad Khalifa was among the first ones to draw attention to that fact that Fatiha should be SAID aloud, in a very low tone of voice, but saying it onto oneself, or inside/mute is wrong, since the Qur'an is quite clear about it...

                                        Blessed be the One God

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                                          Well now how do I know if this revelation means I need to pray 4 or 5?
                                          I cannot deny the plural word Salawaat. Thanks for bringing that to light.

                                          And I dont believe in verses that use words like tasbeeh/praise/glorify to mean Salat. It seems as if i would be trying to fit a puzzle peice where it doesn't belong. However it makes me wonder if that verse 20130 sort of shows the Salat times in between the lines..

                                          Sometimes i wonder also if the reason there are so many verses telling us to pray at what seems like different times, is that perhaps they are more like general guidelines to follow, or symbolic of being in Salaat as much as possible all the time, because Allah is worthy of more than anything we could offer.
                                          Just like the verses about praising and glorifying. The first meaning i derive from them is that we should be in that state constantly. And not necessarily specific start/end times.

                                          Like the times are selectable or giving permission to pray at certain times. I'd have to confirm if the Salat verses start with an 'order verb' (arabic grammar &#1585 or if it is less of a direct command but more of a guideline/suggestion.

                                          Allah knows best. Istaghfur Allah if im wrong.

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