If "Only Allah", then "Allah Alone" is our watchword

[FreedomStands]

Is the foremost sinner perchance one who says Allah is the Ultimate and sole power, creator of everything absolutely whatsoever? Is the blessed one he who says that Allah is not the creator of everything and the jinn are partners in creation creating what Allah did not create and to reject certain gifts of Allah because Allah in fact did not create them or educate people in them and all this can be yours for the price of 2000USD.

Is the Quran the one that says villains are sent with Fancy words in order to decieve? Yet is one who says Allah is creator of everything the Deceiver or the one who says Allah is not the creator of everything but only some things.

Is it that Allah is angry being called the Ultimate and would prefer that it is stated instead that Allah is not the Ultimate but the Ultimate differs from Allah since Allah is not determiner of all things?

Is it that the Quran told the people Do not discern between the people who is in the right and who is in the wrong, do not Identify wrongdoing or shirk or criminal activity nor use your discernment to catch out the falsehood but swallow every liar who says Allah is not the creator of everything and charges 2000USD for this. Say nothing to them and allow them to continue their holy work of spreading shirk and robbing the poor and telling the ignorant not to fight disease because you are not to identify danger or criminality nor have any laws or take any action to speak out against anything. Yeah, I think I am starting to recall that verse but maybe you could find it for me for a small sum. Allow me to empty my pockets before you.

[LOGANATHAN]

'ALL IS FROM GOD The good from God is FROM GOD, the evil from yourselves IS FROM GOD, ALL IS FROM GOD'

Can you explain me why god created good & bad?
why evil from me or you or someone else?
if the evil from man is from god, why me or you or some body are abusing?punishing?
why we are not keep quiet since evil also from god?
can you reply based on quran ayat.

[huruf]

Let me quote a message from this very thread which answer, I think, your question

Quote from FreedomStands on August 02, 2015, 120914 PM

That does not mean that in Allah's guidance to people Allah has said for them to kill their female children and whatever and say that it is good for them to do that. Allah created these evils but they are still evils, he didn't instruct people in religious revelations that it is good to do it and that they should do it,

"That is the very point that has to be made.

Wrong and bad are human measures, (they are not even for animals or stones), not for God. God does not do right and wrong. He is God, He is not going to suffer any consequences of infringring any laws, because he is the law and everything is within His kingdom. He can do us as much wrong as he wants, we are His. He is nobody's.

BUT

He tells us He is fair, just, equitable, merciful and ALLPOWERFUL, therefore whatever thing he does to us that we consider bad or wrong, it is in God's power to turn into bliss and glory. We will not be shortchanged. Therefore we cannot say that God wrongs us. We may not approve of it, but we can do nothing about it. But we can accpet his rulings with grace and thank for having an existence. That we could not give to ourselves, therefore, even for us God is even more than the best, He is Everything.

It is us who live in the kindom of right and wrong, bad and good, purity and evil. Those are words for us, not for Him. Those are words for the laws that apply for us, a creation of His. They do not apply to Him.

Huwa Al-lahu ahad,
allahu samad
lam yakid wa lam yulad
wa
lam yakllahu kufwan ahad

Salaam al Quddus

[Man_of_Faith]

God deceives so that unworthy people commit sin in their delusion, but God did not do sin. This life is a sifting process under harsh conditions.

God is actually not evil minded at all but rather the opposite if you get to know Him, but expects people to be something and have intelligence.

Be well

[FreedomStands]

'ALL IS FROM GOD The good from God is FROM GOD, the evil from yourselves IS FROM GOD, ALL IS FROM GOD'

Can you explain me why god created good & bad?
why evil from me or you or someone else?
if the evil from man is from god, why me or you or some body are abusing?punishing?
why we are not keep quiet since evil also from god?
can you reply based on quran ayat.

Because your not keeping quiet is also from God. Please think to the end limits. There is no "why", it is as God wills. Including our opposition to one another for example, everything, ALL, not "some". Why is it no one can comprehend "All is from God" that IS the Ayat.

[FreedomStands]

'ALL IS FROM GOD The good from God is FROM GOD, the evil from yourselves IS FROM GOD, ALL IS FROM GOD'

Can you explain me why god created good & bad?
why evil from me or you or someone else?
if the evil from man is from god, why me or you or some body are abusing?punishing?
why we are not keep quiet since evil also from god?
can you reply based on quran ayat.

To say "God did this BECAUSE" in an Ultimate sense, means "God was driven by some cause" but when you are at the Ultimate level truly, there is no "cause" except God's own free will, to will freely, there are no conditions present to drive God to do this or that, God is beyond all that.

If one says "some things are not from God" that goes against "All is from God" and "God created everything, you and what you make" and many other verses, but more importantly, even if the Qur'an says or seems to say otherwise, it is a matter of having a clear understanding. If the Qur'an said "the Ultimate is not the Ultimate, but God is driven like a slave" are we to just believe it? It would be a lie. This is why a person has to understand first, then their understanding and interpretation choices will be more correct hopefully.

When someone says "All is not really from God" they are saying "God is not the determiner or creator of everything, there are other determiners and creators besides God" not only is this shirk by its usual definition, but the implication in it for one who thinks to the end limits is "If things can freely go this way or that way, or even if there are two choices with strict results but can go either this way or that way and God does not determine what a person does, then the power of "chance" is what God is relying on to determine, and thus "chance" is the Ultimate determiner, and not God"

It is thus simply shifting away from God the title of Ultimate, but the Ultimate will always be there no matter what you call it, but if you make your God lesser than the Ultimate you are worshiping and adoring the wrong thing, only the Ultimate should be called God, and if your God is not by definition or implication the Ultimate, then it is not to me God at all, and should be despised as a false concept lesser than the Ultimate and being worshiped in vain, idolatry, and hypocrisy.

Do you understand?

I've posted many ayats, if ayats are what you want, but you need to understand ayats do not matter at all. Why do I say that? I say that because many people interpret ayats incorrectly, because they do not have a proper reasoning ability or taking things to the end limit in their understandings. Ayats don't matter because if an Ayat SEEMS to say something, it doesn't mean that it is true, like if an ayat SEEMS to say "God doesn't determine everything" then by implications such an interpretation is shirk, and logically false also and linguistically, what is being called God then is not the "Greatest" by definition. Is any of this processing for you?

Ayats can be found here http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607626.0 and here

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg371947#msg371947

In the above, drfazl attributes other creators to things and then insists these things are not from God but clearly is saying they are strictly from others than God. This makes him a huge mushrik, even if he doesn't comprehend why. Besides all his shirk, he does many more evil things than that which are exposed gradually throughout the thread, so you may do well to read from that point on-wards.

drfazl denies this in many ways, stating directly that what is being said here is "wrong", such as here

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg373120#msg373120

calling the ayats "flooding the page" here

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg371963#msg371963

The denial of what I say, even in the smallest micro-measurement, means shirk and logical error, I've narrowed it down explicitly and looked at all the implications, and I do not deny the implications of what I am saying, and can clearly explain why I am saying it, it isn't just for fun, people need to face this and see what their answer is to facing this.

Saying "wrong" is not an answer, because I am only telling people the logical implications of what they are saying, it isn't "wrong". It is like 1+1=2. Only a jerk responds to that "wrong".

[huruf]

Let us see. God is all there is. We are his creatures. As soon as God wills we will never have existed. Or we will have eixsted a second. It is all God, all there is. We are dreams (metaphorically a way of speaking, a say that because somebody sked another time where it was said in the Qur'an that God dreamt) That is. we have no existence by ourselves.

So God says something to us, for us, not for him he does not damned need anything from us and whatever He wants he can get without dropping us a word. But the way He has wanted it is that we know Him. A little. So he tells us about Himself, and about the kind of creatures we are and the destiny he has made for us. It is on those terms, in the terms of our existence as His creatures how he speaks to us.

Man of Faith said "but God did not do sin"

Of course God did no sin, just as however we become engrossed in deep thought and become very progressive there is no way that mice are going to pass a math exam.

Sin, or whatever word we want to use for guilt, is for us human, neither God nor mice have anything with it. Sin, error, evil, mistake or whatever are terms for us to go through our destiny. They are exclusively human or jinn terms, not for anybody else. It is for us that those terms have meaning. Our accounts have to square as the creatures that we are, not as the creatures that we are not. And to square them God gives us guidance.

God does not owe us anything whatsoever. He made us, not us Him. He can, we cannot. But he tells us about Himself, his beatuful neames, the names of power, frightening, the names of beauty hopeful and apeasing. We have to know which names we are going to invoke Him with, because those are His names and He tells us that He answers and those who have faith and have asked from him and trusted God have not been deceived. We can try it ourselves.

Now, what our friend Freedoms... has been arguing is that God creates everything even our deeds, and that is what the Qur'an says.

So the question it seems that makes people rebel or be doubtful or be shocked, is that how can God then punish those who do wrong things for themselves (it is always for themselves, to God we can do no harm whatsoever, nor frustrate him, he is not a father for that) when He is at the origin of their deeds.

Fine, God creates what he wills. He tells us so. He also tells us that he is equitable, fair, MERCIFUL, FULL OF COMPASSION, THE MOST COMPASSIONATE, THE COMPASSIONATE. That is His name, one of his names. ?Do we petend that we are more compassionate than He is? Surely not. Therefore he is just, equitable compassionate, and tels us time and again that nobody will be shortchanged. If we feel we suffer something unbearable, He will compensate in such a maner that we will not feel shortchanged.

Do we agree that we should suffer even if we will after be compensated generously? Fine. Do we not agree? Too bad for us. God is the owner, he can make us dissapear and never have existed, so. What can we do? We do not have any problem. Our only problem is to learn to be faithful creatures of God. Subservient, of course.

Were we to be subservient to another human being, we would be cowards without dignity. Being subservient o a Being, the being that is compassionate that loves us such as we are, yes such as we are, because he could choose not to make us, like our fathers who may be wanted someone better than us, but God made us just as we are, indeed, so, if we return a bit of faithfullness in this life for a life that is going to be rewarding beyond belief to a Being that loves us, there is no indignity in it, but truthfulness. Being what he made of us is being the subject of his will, of His love.

If any human being met a lover that could be so generous, so truthful, so beatiful, we would be delighted- Of course, such a lover doesn't fall for a coward or a lazy one who won'tbattle his o her life... If such a lover loves one really indeed what he or she will do with us is not leave us in peace till we grow to our true measure of full human an courageous being...

Well something like that

That is the end of the story, God make make our life difficult but will be the most generous director we could dream of having. And finally everything's destiny is to return to Him, to subsume in His consciousness. Glory.

Salaam

[FreedomStands]

Let us see. God is all there is. We are his creatures. As soon as God wills we will never have existed. Or we will have eixsted a second. It is all God, all there is. We are dreams (metaphorically a way of speaking, a say that because somebody sked another time where it was said in the Qur'an that God dreamt) That is. we have no existence by ourselves.

So God says something to us, for us, not for him he does not damned need anything from us and whatever He wants he can get without dropping us a word. But the way He has wanted it is that we know Him. A little. So he tells us about Himself, and about the kind of creatures we are and the destiny he has made for us. It is on those terms, in the terms of our existence as His creatures how he speaks to us.

Man of Faith said "but God did not do sin"

Of course God did no sin, just as however we become engrossed in deep thought and become very progressive there is no way that mice are going to pass a math exam.

Sin, or whatever word we want to use for guilt, is for us human, neither God nor mice have anything with it. Sin, error, evil, mistake or whatever are terms for us to go through our destiny. They are exclusively human or jinn terms, not for anybody else. It is for us that those terms have meaning. Our accounts have to square as the creatures that we are, not as the creatures that we are not. And to square them God gives us guidance.

God does not owe us anything whatsoever. He made us, not us Him. He can, we cannot. But he tells us about Himself, his beatuful neames, the names of power, frightening, the names of beauty hopeful and apeasing. We have to know which names we are going to invoke Him with, because those are His names and He tells us that He answers and those who have faith and have asked from him and trusted God have not been deceived. We can try it ourselves.

Now, what our friend Freedoms... has been arguing is that God creates everything even our deeds, and that is what the Qur'an says.

So the question it seems that makes people rebel or be doubtful or be shocked, is that how can God then punish those who do wrong things for themselves (it is always for themselves, to God we can do no harm whatsoever, nor frustrate him, he is not a father for that) when He is at the origin of their deeds.

Fine, God creates what he wills. He tells us so. He also tells us that he is equitable, fair, MERCIFUL, FULL OF COMPASSION, THE MOST COMPASSIONATE, THE COMPASSIONATE. That is His name, one of his names. ?Do we petend that we are more compassionate than He is? Surely not. Therefore he is just, equitable compassionate, and tels us time and again that nobody will be shortchanged. If we feel we suffer something unbearable, He will compensate in such a maner that we will not feel shortchanged.

Do we agree that we should suffer even if we will after be compensated generously? Fine. Do we not agree? Too bad for us. God is the owner, he can make us dissapear and never have existed, so. What can we do? We do not have any problem. Our only problem is to learn to be faithful creatures of God. Subservient, of course.

Were we to be subservient to another human being, we would be cowards without dignity. Being subservient o a Being, the being that is compassionate that loves us such as we are, yes such as we are, because he could choose not to make us, like our fathers who may be wanted someone better than us, but God made us just as we are, indeed, so, if we return a bit of faithfullness in this life for a life that is going to be rewarding beyond belief to a Being that loves us, there is no indignity in it, but truthfulness. Being what he made of us is being the subject of his will, of His love.

If any human being met a lover that could be so generous, so truthful, so beatiful, we would be delighted- Of course, such a lover doesn't fall for a coward or a lazy one who won'tbattle his o her life... If such a lover loves one really indeed what he or she will do with us is not leave us in peace till we grow to our true measure of full human an courageous being...

Well something like that

That is the end of the story, God make make our life difficult but will be the most generous director we could dream of having. And finally everything's destiny is to return to Him, to subsume in His consciousness. Glory.

Salaam

Look at that! Beautiful! If anyone wants to see what beauty looks like, it looks like that!

[FreedomStands]

Let us see.

What you performed is what I call "birdsong" it does not matter if they heed it at all, you became a vessel of the song of God, and performed a beautiful act of praise and worship. For this, you may be rewarded, and it is God who chose you for it and chose your words too.

It means nothing at all if they heed you or not, that would just be a pleasure and a relief for us possibly if they listened, but even if they don't the merit is in what you do and what you did. You spoke out, you fought for what is right, and you glorified Allah.

The glorification of Allah is speaking the absolute truth, which IS Allah, who can transform anything, so we look to the Eternal Ultimate as the one and only Truth.

No matter how old and tired you may be, speaking right and good is an honor to you and makes you a Valkyrie and a Princess, a noble one. The liars are disgraced, even if they appear wealthy and "blessed" with children and happy lives.

You represented your King, as a viceroy, speaking on behalf of the Government of God. These criminals do not do justice, Allah has demonstrated who the mutinous ones are. We speak on behalf of the Government of God, it is not a matter of liking it or disliking it, its a matter of facing the facts. We are known as slaves. Those who do not wish to be slaves, are still slaves. We are exactly what the arrogant people dread, to be slavish and groveling before the Ultimate Power, we do so because we have no other hope to be saved from the Ultimate, and we surrender to the Truth.

I urged huruf to speak up and speak out and she has done an AWESOME job. If she continues, she should know its an act for herself, and though we may all benefit from heeding what she says, even if none of us do, she has done a glorious thing for herself and will hopefully feel the joy even in reviewing her own praise.

Somehow, for True Muslims, the reading and re-reading of Truths regarding the Ultimate bring Peace and Relief to the heart, whereas Shirk brings happiness to the others, when they join with Allah by implication themselves, or other conceptual determiners or factors.

This is the distinction made between people like huruf and myself and you all.

Notice the difference of what you guys love saying and what we love saying. We are like two different creatures, two difference species. One is said to go to hell, the other to paradise, we'll see which is which, we may all end up in hell together, or paradise, and whatever is done is done only by Allah however it is done, the ONLY determining factor.

All my posts here and tireless work is mostly the praise of God, you can all defy it and it doesn't even matter, the sin is heaped on you, and if I am blamed for saying The Ultimate is the Ultimate, there is no other power but the Ultimate (the very CREED of Islam), then what can I do about it? I say it because it is True, it is logic, it is fact. Shall I lie instead by speaking what is not true just because it seems pleasant and I spare God from the implication of being responsible and in control of everything? That is like saying "oh, don't say the inventor invented it because he is ashamed of his invention and gets offended when people expose him" haha, shut up? You people are jokes to me.

What you would be best served doing on this website, is doing what I am doing, and what huruf did a little, reciting the Truth regarding the Only Truth. You think you are doing that, but you are not accounting for the implications of your statements, because you lack right brains. In other words, because you're dumb people.

There are not "many truths" in this regard, there is only ONE TRUTH, ONE RELIGION, and it Islam. It is present in the Hindu books, the Bible, and elsewhere, the same message repeatedly, and only one who ALREADY UNDERSTANDS can find what is right and discern what is wrong.

Song playing right now is Thumbhang by Anvil.

[huruf]

My God, Freedom, those are generous words you are saying about me. It makes it worthwhile to write the stuff. Hehe, like I was in Per? recently and a lady in the street I asked for directions when saying good bye to me she said. "Adios, mamacita linda" (Bye bye dear little beautiful mother). So now, I know, whenever I feel in low spirits I come to Per? on one side and on the other I write in free minds and get a real shot of high spirits.

Thak you.

Now, quoting a little

"We are known as slaves. Those who do not wish to be slaves, are still slaves. We are exactly what the arrogant people dread, to be slavish and groveling before the Ultimate Power, we do so because we have no other hope to be saved from the Ultimate, and we surrender to the Truth."

Indeed slaves, but not anybody's slaves. Slaves of the most loving, most generous, mos magnificent Lover, the one that wanted us just the way we are and who is capable of improving us without limit.

Subhanallah

Salaam

[FreedomStands]

My God, Freedom, those are generous words you are saying about me. It makes it worthwhile to write the stuff. Hehe, like I was in Per? recently and a lady in the street I asked for directions when saying good bye to me she said. "Adios, mamacita linda" (Bye bye dear little beautiful mother). So now, I know, whenever I feel in low spirits I come to Per? on one side and on the other I write in free minds and get a real shot of high spirits.

Thak you.

Now, quoting a little

"We are known as slaves. Those who do not wish to be slaves, are still slaves. We are exactly what the arrogant people dread, to be slavish and groveling before the Ultimate Power, we do so because we have no other hope to be saved from the Ultimate, and we surrender to the Truth."

Indeed slaves, but not anybody's slaves. Slaves of the most loving, most generous, mos magnificent Lover, the one that wanted us just the way we are and who is capable of improving us without limit.

Subhanallah

Salaam

Very true! I can't deny it! I'm really so happy you liked the compliments! It is always right to praise what is best!

[drfazl]

The foremost sinner is one who says Allah creates all evil in man's heart; all evildoings; and Allah misleads deliberately; and it is His Will - a very perverse misunderstanding and spread of disinformation to which God has cast him! Such is the knowledge from Quran, of the foremost sinner.

[huruf]

So, is it your fish in colours who creates your things in you or you are a creator yourself or things create themselves by themselves?

You make too much theater with so much shock but in fact you are not bringing up any solid explanation for the questions that have been raised.

Getting shocked and acting horrified is no substitute for explanations nor for making sense.

Who creats evil? or is it uncreated? Or evil exist by itself since ever? Or did Iblees create by himself?

Another show of shockedness might not be felt as sufficient answer by those who indeed want to have an answer along the line you seem to believe is the correct one.

Salaam

[unknownuser]

9103 Take from their money a charity to purify them and develop them with it, and make contact with them; for your contact is a tranquility for them; and God is Hearer, Knowledgeable.

If you read the Quran which is supposed to be read in its context in the first place, then it is obvious this verse is directed at prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

What is a charity from money?

2219 They ask you about intoxicants and gambling. Say ?In them is great harm, and a benefit for the people; but their harm is greater than their benefit.? And they ask you how much they are to give, say ?The excess.? It is thus that God clarifies for you the revelations that you may think.

USD 2000 is even expensive for the middle class earners. And you take such from the poor (who barely have the basics never mind the excess!) who themselves are deserving of the charity!? Whether your method works or not - I can't comment on it anyway as I have no proof. But as far as what you charge as "charity" from the deserving of the same in the first place, You do a grave injustice.

[FreedomStands]

The foremost sinner is one who says Allah creates all evil in man's heart; all evildoings; and Allah misleads deliberately; and it is His Will - a very perverse misunderstanding and spread of disinformation to which God has cast him! Such is the knowledge from Quran, of the foremost sinner.

The foremost sinner is one who says Allah creates all evil in man's heart; all evildoings; and Allah misleads deliberately; and it is His Will - a very perverse misunderstanding and spread of disinformation to which God has cast him! Such is the knowledge from Quran, of the foremost sinner.

Ah, then it appears we have identified the foremost sinner!

The Qur'an!

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No evil befalls on the earth nor in your own souls, but it is in a book before We bring it into existence; surely that is easy to Allah

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when it is God who has created you and all your handiwork?

Isaiah 457
I form the light, and create darkness I make peace, and I create evil I the LORD do all these things.

Lamentations 338
Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that both calamities and good things come?

"atharva veda puts it very clearly,

"na dvitIyo na tR^itIyashchaturtho nApyuchyate
na pa.nchamo na ShaShThaH saptamo nApyuchyate
nAShTamo na navamo dashamo nApyuchyate
ya etaM devamekavR^itaM veda"
There is none second to It, neither third not even fourth.
There is none fifth to It, neither sixth not even seventh.
There is none eighth to It, neither ninth not even tenth.
It is the only Supreme. This is to be known."

https//books.google.ca/books?id=ys9UXe2Qx14C&pg=PT135&lpg=PT135&dq=Bhagavad+Gita+All+things+come+from+God&source=bl&ots=obVKHwGEGz&sig=Zv-sbo_ZIUETETfUc-H2uIjDQq8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CD8Q6AEwBmoVChMIo6GUn6iWxwIVxlyICh0bAQ6T#v=onepage&q=Bhagavad%20Gita%20All%20things%20come%20from%20God&f=false

"The idea of three bodies should not mislead us into thinking that there are three different entities. Dharmakaya and Sambhogakaya do not refer to entities so much as existential states of being, and only the Nirmanakaya body is created anew in physical form. Actually the three kayas are two bodies--the formless body and the body of form. Both the Sambhogakaya and Nirmanakaya are normally called the form bodies of the Buddha, while Dharmakaya is formless.

Dharmakaya is basically the embodiment of what is called twofold purity. In its primordial purity, Dharmakaya is completely empty and open"

"However, the three kayas are not completely independent of each other. They are always interrelated, and when they unfold fully, they are inseparable from each other. The Nirmanakaya and the Sambhogakaya basically manifest out of Dharmakaya; in other words, both of the form aspects of the Buddha's being are dependent on the formless body. The Dharmakaya is the origin or field on which the other two are grounded."

"When we call the Sambhogakaya a "form body," we do not mean physical form but instead form in the sense of manifesting and being determinate, as opposed to Dharmakaya, which is formless because it is not determinate. The Sambhogakaya is determinate because, although it is not physical, it does manifest in varieties of ways. If Sambhogakaya is fully realized, then one can receive different teachings and meanings from many natural sources, such as sound, sight, and so on.

Sambhogakaya in turn gives rise to Nirmanakaya, which is realized through the physical body, and embodies both the Sambhogakaya and the Dharmakaya aspects. Nirmanakaya is physical in its essence and is historically situated, so that when we talk about Buddha Shakyamuni attaining enlightenment in Bodh Gaya, giving teachings in Varanasi, and eventually attaining paranirvana in Kushinagar, we are describing his Nirmanakaya aspect.

Because the Buddha's Sambhogakaya and Dharmakaya aspects are not historically situated, we cannot attribute any kind of temporality to them. The Sambhogakaya teachings are not a personal matter, and in some sense they cannot even be said to be Buddhist. The Sambhogakaya has embodied its meanings right from the beginning, before the time of the Buddha. It embodies them now, and it will embody them again in the future, for the auspicious coincidence of time is never ceasing.

The iconographical figure of the Vajradhara in thangkas and elsewhere symbolizes the Sambhogakaya aspect in its primordial sense. Vajradhara means "holder of the vajra scepter," and the vajra signifies the perennial truthfulness of reality that is not subjected to change and that does not need to be updated. Like the vajra, truth cannot be relativized and made into something that is conditional. It is a reality that is perennially true. As the symbol of Sambhogakaya, Vajradhara is an ahistorical phenomenon and is perceptible only to people with extraordinarily lucid and perceptive minds."

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And in everything have We created opposites, so that you might bear in mind

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"from the evil that He has created,

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The Originator of the heavens and the earth! How can He have a child, when there is for Him no consort, when He created everything whatsoever and is Aware of all things?

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How could it be that He who has created should not know ? Yea, He alone is unfathomable, aware!

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He to whom the kingdom of the heavens and the earth belongs. He does not have a son and He has no partner in the Kingdom. He created everything and determined it most exactly.
253 But they have adopted powers apart from Him which do not create anything but are themselves created. They have no power to do evil or good themselves. They have no power over death or life or resurrection.

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Truly, We determined whatever is in and on the earth as adornment for it so that We prove/make manifest with it as to which of them is best in action.

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He it is who has created for you all that is on earth, and has applied His design to the heavens and fashioned them into seven heavens; and He alone has full knowledge of everything.

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while God created you and what you do?

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And your Lord creates what He wills and chooses. Not they have for them the choice. Glory be (to) Allah and High is He above what they associate (with Him as other creators and choosers).

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Then, after this woe, He sent down upon you a sense of security, an inner calm which enfolded some of you, whereas the others, who cared mainly for themselves, entertained wrong thoughts about God - thoughts of pagan ignorance - saying, "Did we, then, have any power of decision?" Say "Verily, all power of decision does rest with God" - they are trying to conceal within themselves that which they would not reveal unto thee, saying, "If we had any power of decision, we would not have left so many dead behind." Say "Even if you had remained in your homes, those whose death had been ordained would indeed have gone forth to the places where they were destined to lie down." And so that God might prove/make manifest all that you harbour in your bosoms, and render your innermost hearts pure of all dross for God is aware of what is in the hearts .

2255
God! There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the Universe and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He determines? He knoweth what (app eareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is t he Most High, the Supreme (in glory).

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Say, "I have no power for myself (to) good/benefit and no (power to) evil/harm, except what Allah wills. And if I would know (of) the unseen surely I could have multiplied of the good and not (could) have touched me the evil. I am not except a warner and a bearer of good tidings to a people who believe."

2135
Every soul must taste of death, and We prove you with evil and with good, for ordeal. And unto Us ye will be returned.

7723
For We determine; and We are the best to determine

737 whereas by day a long chain of doings is thy portion.
738 But remember thy Sustainer's name, and devote thyself unto Him with utter devotion.
739 The Sustainer of the east and the west there is no power save Him hence, ascribe to Him alone the power to determine thy fate,
7310 and endure with patience whatever people may say , and avoid them with a comely avoidance.
7311 And leave Me alone with those who give the lie to the truth - those who enjoy the blessings of life - and bear thou with them for a little while

3962
GOD is the Creator of all things, and He alone has the power to determine the fate of all things.

873
and who determines the nature , and thereupon guides it ,

172
And We vouchsafed revelation unto Moses, and made it a guidance for the children of Israel, "Do not ascribe to any but Me the power to determine your fate,

739
The Sustainer of the east and the west there is no power save Him hence, ascribe to Him alone the power to determine thy fate,

3962
God is the Creator of all things, He has charge of everything;

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they, too, gave the lie to all Our messages and thereupon We took them to task as only the Almighty, who determines all things, can take to task.

7630
And not you will except what wills Allah. Indeed, Allah is All-Knower, All-Wise.

8129
And you do not even will anything except whatever wills Allah, Lord (of) the worlds.

3411
Saying Make thou long coats of mail and measure the links (thereof). And do ye right. Lo! I am Seer of what ye do.

5524
And His are the lofty ships that sail like mountains through the seas.

1766
YOUR SUSTAINER is He who causes ships to move onward for you through the sea, so that you might go about in quest of some of His bounty verily, a dispenser of grace is He unto you.

5158
Lo! Allah! He it is that giveth livelihood, the Lord of unbreakable might.

10107
If Allah afflicteth thee with some evil, there is none who can remove it save Him; and if He desireth good for thee, there is none who can repel His bounty. He striketh with it whom He will of his slaves. He is the Forgiving, the Merciful.

3317
Say Who is he who can preserve you from Allah if He intendeth evil for you, or intendeth mercy for you. They will not find that they have any friend or helper other than Allah.

2273
O mankind! A similitude is coined, so pay ye heed to it Lo! those on whom ye call beside Allah will never create a fly though they combine together for the purpose. And if the fly took something from them, they could not rescue it from it. So weak are (both) the seeker and the sought!
2274
No true understanding of God have they for, verily, God is most powerful, almighty!

37102
Then when he reached the (age of) working with him he said, "O my son! Indeed, I have seen in the dream that I am sacrificing you, so look what you see." He said, "O my father! Do what you are commanded. You will find me, if Allah wills, of the patient ones.

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DO THEY, perchance, say, ?He has attributed his own lying inventions to God?? But then, had God so willed, He could have sealed thy heart for God blots out all falsehood, and by His words proves the truth to be true. Verily, He has full knowledge of what is in the hearts ;

1823
And (do) not say of anything, "Indeed, I will do that tomorrow."
Except, "If Allah wills." And remember your Lord when you forget and say, "Perhaps will guide me my Lord to a nearer (way) than this right way."

GET IT? NOT YET?

2856
Indeed, you (can) not guide whom you love, but Allah guides whom He wills. And He (is) most knowing (of) the guided ones.

[FreedomStands]

Ah, then it appears we have identified the foremost sinner!

The Qur'an!

5722
No evil befalls on the earth nor in your own souls, but it is in a book before We bring it into existence; surely that is easy to Allah

3796
when it is God who has created you and all your handiwork?

Isaiah 457
I form the light, and create darkness I make peace, and I create evil I the LORD do all these things.

Lamentations 338
Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that both calamities and good things come?

"atharva veda puts it very clearly,

"na dvitIyo na tR^itIyashchaturtho nApyuchyate
na pa.nchamo na ShaShThaH saptamo nApyuchyate
nAShTamo na navamo dashamo nApyuchyate
ya etaM devamekavR^itaM veda"
There is none second to It, neither third not even fourth.
There is none fifth to It, neither sixth not even seventh.
There is none eighth to It, neither ninth not even tenth.
It is the only Supreme. This is to be known."

https//books.google.ca/books?id=ys9UXe2Qx14C&pg=PT135&lpg=PT135&dq=Bhagavad+Gita+All+things+come+from+God&source=bl&ots=obVKHwGEGz&sig=Zv-sbo_ZIUETETfUc-H2uIjDQq8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CD8Q6AEwBmoVChMIo6GUn6iWxwIVxlyICh0bAQ6T#v=onepage&q=Bhagavad%20Gita%20All%20things%20come%20from%20God&f=false

"The idea of three bodies should not mislead us into thinking that there are three different entities. Dharmakaya and Sambhogakaya do not refer to entities so much as existential states of being, and only the Nirmanakaya body is created anew in physical form. Actually the three kayas are two bodies--the formless body and the body of form. Both the Sambhogakaya and Nirmanakaya are normally called the form bodies of the Buddha, while Dharmakaya is formless.

Dharmakaya is basically the embodiment of what is called twofold purity. In its primordial purity, Dharmakaya is completely empty and open"

"However, the three kayas are not completely independent of each other. They are always interrelated, and when they unfold fully, they are inseparable from each other. The Nirmanakaya and the Sambhogakaya basically manifest out of Dharmakaya; in other words, both of the form aspects of the Buddha's being are dependent on the formless body. The Dharmakaya is the origin or field on which the other two are grounded."

"When we call the Sambhogakaya a "form body," we do not mean physical form but instead form in the sense of manifesting and being determinate, as opposed to Dharmakaya, which is formless because it is not determinate. The Sambhogakaya is determinate because, although it is not physical, it does manifest in varieties of ways. If Sambhogakaya is fully realized, then one can receive different teachings and meanings from many natural sources, such as sound, sight, and so on.

Sambhogakaya in turn gives rise to Nirmanakaya, which is realized through the physical body, and embodies both the Sambhogakaya and the Dharmakaya aspects. Nirmanakaya is physical in its essence and is historically situated, so that when we talk about Buddha Shakyamuni attaining enlightenment in Bodh Gaya, giving teachings in Varanasi, and eventually attaining paranirvana in Kushinagar, we are describing his Nirmanakaya aspect.

Because the Buddha's Sambhogakaya and Dharmakaya aspects are not historically situated, we cannot attribute any kind of temporality to them. The Sambhogakaya teachings are not a personal matter, and in some sense they cannot even be said to be Buddhist. The Sambhogakaya has embodied its meanings right from the beginning, before the time of the Buddha. It embodies them now, and it will embody them again in the future, for the auspicious coincidence of time is never ceasing.

The iconographical figure of the Vajradhara in thangkas and elsewhere symbolizes the Sambhogakaya aspect in its primordial sense. Vajradhara means "holder of the vajra scepter," and the vajra signifies the perennial truthfulness of reality that is not subjected to change and that does not need to be updated. Like the vajra, truth cannot be relativized and made into something that is conditional. It is a reality that is perennially true. As the symbol of Sambhogakaya, Vajradhara is an ahistorical phenomenon and is perceptible only to people with extraordinarily lucid and perceptive minds."

5149
And in everything have We created opposites, so that you might bear in mind

1132
"from the evil that He has created,

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The Originator of the heavens and the earth! How can He have a child, when there is for Him no consort, when He created everything whatsoever and is Aware of all things?

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How could it be that He who has created should not know ? Yea, He alone is unfathomable, aware!

252
He to whom the kingdom of the heavens and the earth belongs. He does not have a son and He has no partner in the Kingdom. He created everything and determined it most exactly.
253 But they have adopted powers apart from Him which do not create anything but are themselves created. They have no power to do evil or good themselves. They have no power over death or life or resurrection.

187
Truly, We determined whatever is in and on the earth as adornment for it so that We prove/make manifest with it as to which of them is best in action.

229
He it is who has created for you all that is on earth, and has applied His design to the heavens and fashioned them into seven heavens; and He alone has full knowledge of everything.

379
while God created you and what you do?

2868
And your Lord creates what He wills and chooses. Not they have for them the choice. Glory be (to) Allah and High is He above what they associate (with Him as other creators and choosers).

3154
Then, after this woe, He sent down upon you a sense of security, an inner calm which enfolded some of you, whereas the others, who cared mainly for themselves, entertained wrong thoughts about God - thoughts of pagan ignorance - saying, "Did we, then, have any power of decision?" Say "Verily, all power of decision does rest with God" - they are trying to conceal within themselves that which they would not reveal unto thee, saying, "If we had any power of decision, we would not have left so many dead behind." Say "Even if you had remained in your homes, those whose death had been ordained would indeed have gone forth to the places where they were destined to lie down." And so that God might prove/make manifest all that you harbour in your bosoms, and render your innermost hearts pure of all dross for God is aware of what is in the hearts .

2255
God! There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the Universe and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He determines? He knoweth what (app eareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is t he Most High, the Supreme (in glory).

7188
Say, "I have no power for myself (to) good/benefit and no (power to) evil/harm, except what Allah wills. And if I would know (of) the unseen surely I could have multiplied of the good and not (could) have touched me the evil. I am not except a warner and a bearer of good tidings to a people who believe."

2135
Every soul must taste of death, and We prove you with evil and with good, for ordeal. And unto Us ye will be returned.

7723
For We determine; and We are the best to determine

737 whereas by day a long chain of doings is thy portion.
738 But remember thy Sustainer's name, and devote thyself unto Him with utter devotion.
739 The Sustainer of the east and the west there is no power save Him hence, ascribe to Him alone the power to determine thy fate,
7310 and endure with patience whatever people may say , and avoid them with a comely avoidance.
7311 And leave Me alone with those who give the lie to the truth - those who enjoy the blessings of life - and bear thou with them for a little while

3962
GOD is the Creator of all things, and He alone has the power to determine the fate of all things.

873
and who determines the nature , and thereupon guides it ,

172
And We vouchsafed revelation unto Moses, and made it a guidance for the children of Israel, "Do not ascribe to any but Me the power to determine your fate,

739
The Sustainer of the east and the west there is no power save Him hence, ascribe to Him alone the power to determine thy fate,

3962
God is the Creator of all things, He has charge of everything;

5442
they, too, gave the lie to all Our messages and thereupon We took them to task as only the Almighty, who determines all things, can take to task.

7630
And not you will except what wills Allah. Indeed, Allah is All-Knower, All-Wise.

8129
And you do not even will anything except whatever wills Allah, Lord (of) the worlds.

3411
Saying Make thou long coats of mail and measure the links (thereof). And do ye right. Lo! I am Seer of what ye do.

5524
And His are the lofty ships that sail like mountains through the seas.

1766
YOUR SUSTAINER is He who causes ships to move onward for you through the sea, so that you might go about in quest of some of His bounty verily, a dispenser of grace is He unto you.

5158
Lo! Allah! He it is that giveth livelihood, the Lord of unbreakable might.

10107
If Allah afflicteth thee with some evil, there is none who can remove it save Him; and if He desireth good for thee, there is none who can repel His bounty. He striketh with it whom He will of his slaves. He is the Forgiving, the Merciful.

3317
Say Who is he who can preserve you from Allah if He intendeth evil for you, or intendeth mercy for you. They will not find that they have any friend or helper other than Allah.

2273
O mankind! A similitude is coined, so pay ye heed to it Lo! those on whom ye call beside Allah will never create a fly though they combine together for the purpose. And if the fly took something from them, they could not rescue it from it. So weak are (both) the seeker and the sought!
2274
No true understanding of God have they for, verily, God is most powerful, almighty!

37102
Then when he reached the (age of) working with him he said, "O my son! Indeed, I have seen in the dream that I am sacrificing you, so look what you see." He said, "O my father! Do what you are commanded. You will find me, if Allah wills, of the patient ones.

4224
DO THEY, perchance, say, ?He has attributed his own lying inventions to God?? But then, had God so willed, He could have sealed thy heart for God blots out all falsehood, and by His words proves the truth to be true. Verily, He has full knowledge of what is in the hearts ;

1823
And (do) not say of anything, "Indeed, I will do that tomorrow."
Except, "If Allah wills." And remember your Lord when you forget and say, "Perhaps will guide me my Lord to a nearer (way) than this right way."

GET IT? NOT YET?

2856
Indeed, you (can) not guide whom you love, but Allah guides whom He wills. And He (is) most knowing (of) the guided ones.

Now that you have identified the foremost sinner, how much shall we all pay you? 2000USD each?

[DrGm]

9103 Take from their money a charity to purify them and develop them with it, and make contact with them; for your contact is a tranquility for them; and God is Hearer, Knowledgeable.

If you read the Quran which is supposed to be read in its context in the first place, then it is obvious this verse is directed at prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

if this verse do not fit in any context other than this is as good as nullified.

[JavaLatte]

Yeah, remember how when people are ganging up on me or saying something I am saying is bad, without explanation, you take the opportunity to join up and try to kick me at that time saying "I am glad you said this" and stuff like that, its just a bad habit a little bit, I was bringing it up for that reason because many people are like that.

Take the opportunity?!? elektro Could you clean your mind?

If people say/do things which I think is good, then of course it could make me feel glad.

I'm not really good at English (I'm not excel in language subject), I think that compare to you and the other members, it could need more (or much more) time for me to prepare my post, to arrange words, to make sentences, to correct them, so if there are other people who already told you or gave you advice about something right, then of course that's something nice for me (it could ease my burden, I guess).

If people reminding each other to follow/do the right thing (do you know about "amar ma'ruf nahi munkar"? - I like it), that is something which usually makes me happy/glad.

Even though I myself cannot always do that (amar ma'ruf nahi munkar), but actually, I don't like apathy, I think it is not right if we just ignore wickedness/deceits/injustice (evil things) in front of us.

I think silence is not always golden.

[drfazl]

Not only you A.W, but anyone with inner sense shall know none can afford that money; cannot even imagine to pay that amount even if they are rich; and I cannot rob them of their money; and I cannot force them to pay; and I cannot even bargain money in exchange for the cure; but I have to deliver to the patients the Sign of Cure and prove to them that Allah is true to His Promise to them, Who says, "It is Ok, you will be alright, if only you believe Me and Me alone, without shirk of medicines", when I have that wisdom and proof. I think now you will know whether I can get the money at all from these patients - but my duty is to deliver.

It is not at all difficult for one to comprehend if they are believers in the ayats of Allah, that Allah expands the provisions to whom He will; and straitens to whom He will.

13.26 Allah expands His provisions for whom He wills and restricts them to whom He will. And they rejoice in the worldly life, while the worldly life is not, compared to the Hereafter, except brief enjoyment.

A.W I am willing to talk to you, the essence of the ayats, so that Allah amplifies you with His Bounties - provided you do not join hands with the sinners, who can never understand nor touch even the Quran 56/79.

[FreedomStands]

9103 Take from their money a charity to purify them and develop them with it, and make contact with them; for your contact is a tranquility for them; and God is Hearer, Knowledgeable.

If you read the Quran which is supposed to be read in its context in the first place, then it is obvious this verse is directed at prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

What is a charity from money?

2219 They ask you about intoxicants and gambling. Say ?In them is great harm, and a benefit for the people; but their harm is greater than their benefit.? And they ask you how much they are to give, say ?The excess.? It is thus that God clarifies for you the revelations that you may think.

USD 2000 is even expensive for the middle class earners. And you take such from the poor (who barely have the basics never mind the excess!) who themselves are deserving of the charity!? Whether your method works or not - I can't comment on it anyway as I have no proof. But as far as what you charge as "charity" from the deserving of the same in the first place, You do a grave injustice.

Finally something good from you. Come a little closer even, and you'll be a knight just like me. Perhaps Allah intends that you are purified of the last remnants of your shirk soon. I am not wrong in a single drop of what I am saying, and you will either conform or you will be a performer of shirk, it is just a matter of of 1+1=2, it has nothing to do with insulting Allah or Justice or anything like that.

Allah simply is the Ultimate, holding charge and sway over every action. The bowing of the heads, the getting up, the sleeping, the places we walk, the insects we deliberately or accidentally step on and the thoughts involved, our fully experience, ALL that is created and determined by Allah, and Allah chooses and Allah determines and Allah is the only one there is doing anything at all, and this is NOT a misunderstanding at all, and you will be on the wrong side of the fence until you agree wholeheartedly with it even if it sounds distasteful to you.

This will prove if you're a truly humble one or not. Arrogance is not in a boisterous comic knight, arrogance is in shirk and claiming YOU will, YOU decide, YOU determine if it goes this way or that way, which path you take, what you will do. You do not choose ANYTHING. That doesn't mean that you do not perceive an impression of choice and decisions occur and thought processes, all which are Allah creating and giving you those thoughts and their sequence and determining which you follow.

It isn't left up to you or "chance" at all, Allah is the only "Chance" we have. It isn't "I can choose this path, or I can choose that path, and if I choose this path then I determine the insect is crushed today rather than not". Do you understand? If you deny this, then you are still on the wrong side of the fence, no matter how noble you are, all your deeds will be wasted according to the Qur'an.

So you either conform exactly to what I am saying, in all humility, or you continue to deny it and hold on dearly to your candle which only gives you a little light into the nature of things.

I'm selling you illumination, the price isn't 2000USD but absolutely free, as Allah wills.

Allah is offering you the truth, will you keep slapping it away?

Allah alone is the determiner of all things, the Ultimate, you are in a state of surrender willingly or unwillingly, you have no choice, nor can you save yourself, nor can you choose good or evil, but it will appear to you if ALLAH WILLS that you are choosing, and that is all part of Allah's creating and determining, you do not have an existence, you are NOTHING but what Allah SAYS you are. Do you understand?

If you say you choose, you are saying "it can go this way or that way, I decide truly, Allah leaves it to me" and what that translates to is "it is up to Chance to decide if I do this or that".

Say "I am giving up my prior statements of shirk, I surrender to what FreedomStands is saying, he is truly correct and right in this, Allah is indeed the determiner of all things, creator of every motion and experience absolutely, the performer of all actions, the power behind all things, there is no power but Allah, there is no will but the will of Allah, there is no religion but the Surrender. I surrender, I surrender, I surrender. FreedomStands is now my brother truly, he spoke the truth by the will of Allah and helped me albeit incessantly and to my annoyance, in understanding the true nature of Allah. Allah does not "leave it up to us to choose, having created paths we determine which we walk on and the results are pre-calculated, I was so wrong, in fact the truth is Allah creates all that we say, do, think, and choose, and how we choose it is by Allah too, All is from God, God created all things whatsoever be they thoughts or deeds or the actions or choices and exactly what we will is chosen by Allah. I hope Allah keeps me on this straight way, as his devotee and a knight of the Eternal Truth".

The curse of Allah be upon you otherwise. It is "do or die". Will the sword of Truth knight you, or cut off your arms?