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SpaceTraveler

You asked an example and here I give your latest example.

You say that al-amiyr is ....... to incite hate towards all atheists.

YOU. and then you start a flame war and attempt to incite hate towards all atheists, only because you can't handle my criticism.

This is what al-amiyr wrote talking about your methods,

He don't want to discuss like many other descent atheists that I have met all over the world. He wants to bring about a clash of the civilizations.

Now there is a mild example of your dishonesty. It amounts to character assassination. I would advise you to take all al-amiyr's posts and yours and take it to an independant assessor to make judgement.

GODsubmitter

I had a brother of the forum showed me via PM where the ignore list is and that is where he will be placed inshaa allaah.
+salaam

I hope @al-amiyr will continue with the exposition of his material with not many further distractions and interruptions.

I am expectantly waiting for the answer why did God create anything at all in the first place, and I was promised an answer.

farida

As the messenger of the covenant, Dr. Rashad Khalifa PhD (who has been proven and authenticated as a messenger so many times, even after his death), repeatedly said, Satan must be represented everywhere, so is even in this Forum, as well...

I would humbly request you not to divert this thread. If you want to discuss RK, or if you want to be StopS advocate, then
please do so in another thread.
Peace

GODsubmitter

I would humbly request you not to divert this thread. If you want to discuss RK, or if you want to be StopS advocate, then
please do so in another thread.
Peace

The accent and the emphasis was not on Dr. Rashad Khalifa, PhD, the messenger of the covenant, but on the words Satan must be represented everywhere, so is even in this Forum, as well!
The rest of my post is even more important, if you could only grasp...but, I doubt, because you start sounding like an idol-worshiper of @al-amiyr, God forbid!
To my humble opinion, the most "diverting" thing is talking sides in a debate and chant like fans.

Let us instead continue our learning and follow @al-amiyr's posts!

StopS

You asked an example and here I give your latest example.

You say that al-amiyr is ....... to incite hate towards all atheists.

This is what al-amiyr wrote talking about your methods,
Now there is a mild example of your dishonesty. It amounts to character assassination. I would advise you to take all al-amiyr's posts and yours and take it to an independant assessor to make judgement.

Look, if I say something, I say it for a reason.

You initially said "What a lie. You have consistently taken al-amiyrs work out of context and presented it as what he said."

I have asked you to provide evidence. If you don't know or don't understand what I am talking about, why don't you simply ask me, what I am talking about?

al-amiyr says that "I will let all Muslims be warned about this guy and his little group calling themselves The Radical Atheists."

To which I replied "you start a flame war and attempt to incite hate towards all atheists, only because you can't handle my criticism."

This happened AFTER I asked you to provide evidence.

I am getting a bit sick of this nonsense. Is that how Muslims behave? Is that what I am learning about the followers of this god? Lies, deceit, hate, false accusations and personal attacks!
Is that what you guys here are presenting as the true Islam? You should be ashamed of yourselves. Just because I point out the flaws of someone else, I get attacked. Not because I am wrong, because I know I only pointed out real mistakes, no, only because I don't believe the same as what others here do.

If people here want to follow nonsense and false assertions, fine, people here are adults and can make their own decisions. But all I have done is look objectively at what al-amiyr has posted. If there was just a methodology I read and tried it to see it there was some sense in it. And sometimes there was. But when someone posts absolute nonsense about scientific subjects and presents nonsensical and false stuff, why should I keep quiet? Why can't I point out the mistakes?

And yes, I agree, it has gotten out of hand, because al-amiyr couldn't handle constructive criticism and started his hypocritical attacks, always hiding behind others. And people fall for it. ok, so it seems an objective warning is not welcome, so I will not comment on what al-amiyr is doing any longer and if anyone believes what is false and nonsensical, so be it.

SpaceTraveler

Look, if I say something, I say it for a reason.

You initially said "What a lie. You have consistently taken al-amiyrs work out of context and presented it as what he said."

I have asked you to provide evidence. If you don't know or don't understand what I am talking about, why don't you simply ask me, what I am talking about?

al-amiyr says that "I will let all Muslims be warned about this guy and his little group calling themselves The Radical Atheists."

To which I replied "you start a flame war and attempt to incite hate towards all atheists, only because you can't handle my criticism."

This happened AFTER I asked you to provide evidence.

I am getting a bit sick of this nonsense. Is that how Muslims behave? Is that what I am learning about the followers of this god? Lies, deceit, hate, false accusations and personal attacks!
Is that what you guys here are presenting as the true Islam? You should be ashamed of yourselves. Just because I point out the flaws of someone else, I get attacked. Not because I am wrong, because I know I only pointed out real mistakes, no, only because I don't believe the same as what others here do.

If people here want to follow nonsense and false assertions, fine, people here are adults and can make their own decisions. But all I have done is look objectively at what al-amiyr has posted. If there was just a methodology I read and tried it to see it there was some sense in it. And sometimes there was. But when someone posts absolute nonsense about scientific subjects and presents nonsensical and false stuff, why should I keep quiet? Why can't I point out the mistakes?

And yes, I agree, it has gotten out of hand, because al-amiyr couldn't handle constructive criticism and started his hypocritical attacks, always hiding behind others. And people fall for it. ok, so it seems an objective warning is not welcome, so I will not comment on what al-amiyr is doing any longer and if anyone believes what is false and nonsensical, so be it.

Why do you assume that I am a Moslem. I am more of an agnostic than anything else but willing to listen to anybody and that includes you.
You did not answer the question. Your reason above is flawed and does not make sense. You seem very rash and get quickly excited. Cool down brother. You also have some valuable contributions to make. Make them without starting wars.

farida

Let us instead continue our learning and follow @al-amiyr's posts! )

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SpaceTraveler

Let us instead continue our learning and follow @al-amiyr's posts!

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IronFist

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welcome police group police A people who are free to speak and learn even if we have disagreements. But we have respect.

al-amiyr

salaam+

I did not manage to complete post 14 but hopefully will do so tomorrow inshaa allaah.

+salaam

al-amiyr

as_salaamu "alaykum

This post was created to make some separation between the previous discussions and the subsequent discussions inshaa allaah.
I have just started working again on post 14. Keep yourself ready the following
1- a clean blank page
2- a sharpened pencil
3- a ruler indicating the numbers

Shukran

wa "alaykum-us-salaam

farida

as_salaamu "alaykum

This post was created to make some separation between the previous discussions and the subsequent discussions inshaa allaah.
I have just started working again on post 14. Keep yourself ready the following
1- a clean blank page
2- a sharpened pencil
3- a ruler indicating the numbers

Shukran

wa "alaykum-us-salaam

wa "alaykum-us-salaam brother al-amiyr

I?d like to share my experience with you and everyone. When I saw your post this afternoon it hit me straight away ?oh my God where will I get all this stuff?? My kids are grown up and no one uses pencil and sharpener anymore. As for clean blank paper I know it?s in the printer so I thought ?good its holidays my son is at home and I will ask him to take paper out of the printer for me, but the first thing is to sharpen the pencil I had somewhere lying around and get a ruler?. Thoughts going round in my mind ?will the corner shop have all this stuff but then I remembered I had my sons old geometry box and as I do not throw such things easily, I got that out of a drawer, and the well used old plastic ruler was there but to my disappointment the markings were rubbed off.
Ok next thought was to go to my neighbour who looks after her grand children; she will surely have this stuff so I get my pencil sharpened and borrowed a ruler, but as I was going I looked for more pencils, and there I found a small measuring tape I picked up from Ikea. Wow that was a relief, just incase!
So I took my pencil and went to my neighbour?s, but she was not at home. Coming back I realised that in fact I have everything I need. I can sharpen my pencil using a small kitchen knief like we did when we were kids, and I can use the Ikea tape with a transparent ruler at the top and then I thought I will not bother my son, so started looking for blank paper and there I found the classic writing pad I had bought years ago when applying for jobs. So I think I have all I needed to start next lesson Alhumdullilaah.
Then I looked at your post again and noticed how you started so I counted and am ready to gain knowledge insha?allaah

Oh Lord increase my knowledge.

Salaam

al-amiyr

wa "alaykum-us-salaam brother al-amiyr

I?d like to share my experience with you and everyone. When I saw your post this afternoon it hit me straight away ?oh my God where will I get all this stuff?? My kids are grown up and no one uses pencil and sharpener anymore. As for clean blank paper I know it?s in the printer so I thought ?good its holidays my son is at home and I will ask him to take paper out of the printer for me, but the first thing is to sharpen the pencil I had somewhere lying around and get a ruler?. Thoughts going round in my mind ?will the corner shop have all this stuff but then I remembered I had my sons old geometry box and as I do not throw such things easily, I got that out of a drawer, and the well used old plastic ruler was there but to my disappointment the markings were rubbed off.
Ok next thought was to go to my neighbour who looks after her grand children; she will surely have this stuff so I get my pencil sharpened and borrowed a ruler, but as I was going I looked for more pencils, and there I found a small measuring tape I picked up from Ikea. Wow that was a relief, just incase!
So I took my pencil and went to my neighbour?s, but she was not at home. Coming back I realised that in fact I have everything I need. I can sharpen my pencil using a small kitchen knief like we did when we were kids, and I can use the Ikea tape with a transparent ruler at the top and then I thought I will not bother my son, so started looking for blank paper and there I found the classic writing pad I had bought years ago when applying for jobs. So I think I have all I needed to start next lesson Alhumdullilaah.
Then I looked at your post again and noticed how you started so I counted and am ready to gain knowledge insha?allaah

Oh Lord increase my knowledge.

Salaam

as-salaamu 'alaykum sister farida

The sign of a true student. You are never going to enjoy the page, the pen, and the ruler as much as learning the book (al-kitaab) which dimensions contain the entire universe. Once you gain the knowledge yourself, then no one in the world can fool you. It is always the strategy of shayTaan to keep humanity away from the knowledge in order to keep them in the darkness. Here is a little inspiration from what ALLAAH has revealed in His last revealed Divine book called the Qur'aan or the Recitation/Reading.
I attach the little diagram.

http//www.theholytablemountain.net/Q.thepen.png

wa "alaykum-us-salaam (Post 14 will be uploaded later inshaa allaah).

al-amiyr

as-salaamu 'alaykum

I am still busy working on post 14. There will be about 20 illustrations designed from scratch. It will sum up what we learned so far and take us to the point just before we will begin to understand The Qur'aan Mathematical Space Time Diagrams necessary to understand why everything is the way it is. Read over the previous posts as much as you can inshaa allaah.

wa "alaykum-us-salaam

justamuslim

Salaam

I am just perplexed at the response of some people who call themselves followers of the Qur'an. They boast about not following conjecture, yet I see them making no effort to understand what brother al-amiyr is offering them, for which he is asking no reward from anyone not even thanks. But to belittle someone , who is trying to teach you in the name of Allaah, expecting you to learn is simply disgusting.

I am not a young person. I have seen a lot in my life and I have not come across anyone so willing to teach, and with such devotion, despite not knowing me personally or getting anything in return. If only there were more people like al-amiyr who were willing to serve ALLAAH we would not be so lost and deluded....
If you can't show any gratitute then at least do not say things that are hurtful and do not do justice to anyone reading your posts. Seeing what al-amiyr, despite all this, is delivering brings tears to my eyes If people, who claim to follow the Qur'an, behave like this then just imagine how people of the jahiliya must have mocked the prophet.

Looking forward to next lesson Insha' Allaah.

Salaam

Prophet Muhammed and other messengers did not set out claiming to have a secret knowledge that they know that will change humanity, astonishing and guiding people from darkness to light. If I am wrong, let me know.

None of the messengers guided people delivering them from darkness with their own knowledge. Their sole function as messengers was to relay God's message. Knowledge was given to the messengers by God. People were guided and delivered by words of God. Humanity was changed not by messengers but by God. It is God who guides people. And people are guided by the words of God. It is God who "teaches" and the messengers relayed this teaching to people.

I have the Koran in front of me. The lessons are all there in the book and the signs of God are all around me. If i dont see it is because of my limitedness and lack of wisdom. Over the years, my knowledge and understanding of the koran have increased from Sunnis, Shias, Sufis, Jews, Christians, atheists..... My faith has evolved over time from being a traditional Sunni and now just a Muslim. The words of God is there but due to my limitedness and influence, I didn't get it or see things. I am limited in my knowledge and understanding and constantly searching for the truth from the Koran.

I don't agree or share the same views as many here but have learned much from others sharing their knowledge of the koran. BUT al-amyr is unlike other members on this forum. what we have is al-amyr claiming to have knowledge coming from prophet Muhammed which has been hidden or secretly passed on from generations to generations that will astonish, enlighten and change humanity. So al-amyrs agenda is to change and deliver people from darkness to light with his knowledge? Am I right?

Do other members on this forum fancy themselves as 'teachers' whose mission is to salvage humanity with this knowledge that only his family posses which has been passed down from prophet Muhammed?

Farida, al-amyr is not just "teaching" something that he discovered which he wants to share and others to give input on his discovery. He has made certain claims and his agenda is clear. you believe in his claims that prophet muhammed had this knowledge that he is now teaching you? Was this knowledge given to prophet Muhammed by God? If so, then prophet Muhammed kept it a secret? Ok if prophet Muhammed was not given this knowledge by God but he learned of this on his own then why did he not share this with humanity?

You mean to tell me that people had been living in the dark for all these years without this knowledge? And who are these scholars that al-Amyr claims in his line of transmission of this knowledge? Was it written down and passed down the generation? Or was it oral?

Listen farida, you have the free will to believe whatever it is that you want to believe in but when something is said about God and prophet Muhammed, I expect the person making such claims to provide evidence.

By the way, prophet Muhammed was a man who had the highest morals and trustworthy whose mission was to relay God's message. His obedience was to God and if there is any knowledge that God gave him, he parted that knowledge and wisdom as per the Koran. also, by the way the true servants of God tend to be humble, pious and sublime in their attitude, acknowledging their limitedness seeking forgiveness if they are wrong in their understanding and interpretations of the scripture. Unless i am missing something, i dont see that in reading al-amyrs postings. And also want to point out that prohet Muhammed did not interpret the Koran. It is God who explained things to prophet Muhammed.

Farida, as you have been staunchest supporter of al-Amyr believing his claims and having issues with those who question and have criticized him, I ask that you now provide the supporting evidence from the Koran of his claims that this knowledge that he is teaching you is coming from prophet Muhammed.

You are now responsible for what you support and what you are and want to be disseminated.

SpaceTraveler