Day & Night Phenomenon described in the quran

FearGod

Peace, FearGod.

I don't get it... The idea of God bringing about "miraculous" happenings, in relation to causing individualized Islamic conversions or writing Arabic words on a Russian baby's legs, is senseless - especially when there are starving, suffering people all over the world! If God is capable of 'logically' causing miracles to happen, then why doesn't he help the people who need it? Wouldn't it be more reasonable if he used his 'limitless power' to benefit people, rather than to cause arbitrary occurrences?

Peace,

Ahmad

So you don't realize what the purpose of our life on earth.

Our life on earth is very short and the purpose is to test each soul,all of us eventually
will be equal by death.

No one will live forever.

God didn't send us on earth just to live,eat,enjoy sex,and make all of us rich and to guide
all of us to the right path.

We have the free will and yes this life on earth can be hell for some and can be a paradise for others,
but that isn't the real life,because the real life is the afterlife.

if you don't believe about the afterlife and you think that you are here by coincidence and that
you have to take the opportunity to enjoy yourself before death,
at this point then i can't help you any more

Ahmad_Bilal

Peace, FearGod.

So you don't realize what the purpose of our life on earth.

Our life on earth is very short and the purpose is to test each soul,all of us eventually
will be equal by death.

No one will live forever.

God didn't send us on earth just to live,eat,enjoy sex,and make all of us rich and to guide
all of us to the right path.

We have the free will and yes this life on earth can be hell for some and can be a paradise for others,
but that isn't the real life,because the real life is the afterlife.

if you don't believe about the afterlife and you think that you are here by coincidence and that
you have to take the opportunity to enjoy yourself before death,
at this point then i can't help you any more

Again, the premise of your argument is flawed, especially since, according to traditional Islamic theology, God is characterized as being "all-knowing". You said that he's not 'actually' all-knowing; rather, he's 'logically' all-knowing, which doesn't make sense, because the concept of omniscience is illogical. But anyway, that would cause logical issues with your ideology, since there's no "test" needed if he knows everything already.

If all of us will be "equal" at death, then what's the purpose of living? And, more importantly, wouldn't it be more rational to make all of us equal right now? The only way to adequately test everyone equitably is to put all of them in the same position - which clearly isn't the case here on Earth! For example, if there are "righteous" poor people and "wicked" rich people throughout the planet, which is a concept that Jesus stressed continuously in the Bible, how do we know that their attitudes wouldn't be different had the roles been reversed? What if everyone was poor, or what if everyone was rich? Would that have a bearing on the degree of righteousness/wickedness being exemplified by the people who fit the identified dispositions? Does God know? If not, then how is he "God"?

Peace,

Ahmad

FearGod

Peace, FearGod.

Again, the premise of your argument is flawed, especially since, according to traditional Islamic theology, God is characterized as being "all-knowing". You said that he's not 'actually' all-knowing; rather, he's 'logically' all-knowing, which doesn't make sense, because the concept of omniscience is illogical. But anyway, that would cause logical issues with your ideology, since there's no "test" needed if he knows everything already.

If all of us will be "equal" at death, then what's the purpose of living? And, more importantly, wouldn't it be more rational to make all of us equal right now? The only way to adequately test everyone equitably is to put all of them in the same position - which clearly isn't the case here on Earth! For example, if there are "righteous" poor people and "wicked" rich people throughout the planet, which is a concept that Jesus stressed continuously in the Bible, how do we know that their attitudes wouldn't be different had the roles been reversed? What if everyone was poor, or what if everyone was rich? Would that have a bearing on the degree of righteousness/wickedness being exemplified by the people who fit the identified dispositions? Does God know? If not, then how is he "God"?

Peace,

Ahmad

Salam,

You are proposing that all of us should be in the same position.

So all of us have to be businessmen and bosses or all of us to be kings or Doctors..etc.

Behold, how We prefer some of them over others! And surely the world to come is greater in ranks, greater in preferment. (1721)

Nay, but you prefer the present life; (8716)
and the world to come is better, and more enduring. (8717)

such as prefer the present life over the world to come, and bar from Gods way, desiring to make it crooked -- they are in far error. (143)

Whoso desires the present life and its adornment, We will pay them in full for their works therein, and they shall not be defrauded there; (1115)

Every soul shall taste of death; and We try you with evil and good for a testing, then unto Us you shall be returned (2135)

Lo! We have placed all that is on the earth as an ornament thereof that We may try them which of them is best in conduct. (187)

Surely We will try you with something of fear and hunger, and diminution of goods and lives and fruits; yet give thou good tidings unto the patient (2155)

Do the people reckon that they will be left to say We believe, and will not be tried? (292)

who created death and life, that He might try you which of you is fairest in works; and He is the All-mighty, the All-forgiving -- (672)

Man_of_Faith

Peace Ahmad,

Well, if it is a test we can clearly see that there is a huge amount of people who are not going to make it to the next world. God surely knows who are not going to make it, but He maybe wants to humiliate them for His own amusement perhaps? And that those who make it can finally laugh at those who first laughed at them.

Now that sounds pretty much like double standard, but sure feels nice at times.

God knows what you just wrote, of course. The situation you just mentioned is hardly possible with the prerequisites of the human race unless God would somehow intervene. There are not going to be a whole civilization with only rich people because it is not in the human race. And there are always going to be poor people because some people oppress others due to their evilness.

Being poor does not mean you are in higher favor with God. It is entirely based upon your actions and spiritual development. Being rich and giving plentifully to those in need is just as fine. Only the problem is that people tend to become greedy and exploiting when they become rich. It does not say a poor person who becomes rich must become a bad person, it entirely depends on his choices in life and personal development. What you read in scriptures are warnings.

Equal at death does mean we are judged equally no matter our possessions in this life. Someone's reputation on the wrong basis will not give him any bonus. If he was the president of the USA it will not benefit him at all. You will be judged based on your soul and being.

The part of God's show seem to be creating diversity, different starting points for each human. Some are born poor and some are born rich, and some are neither rich nor poor but in between. They are all mixed scenarios with a varying themes in each of them.

You are all equal to God no matter how little or much you own, you are not evaluated based on your belongings.

All these are, according to me, different tests we can either fail or pass. For a poor person it is to survive while remaining righteous and for a rich is to use the advantage to help others and also remain righteous in this case too.

Now of course you will wonder about all the famine and suffering in the world. Well, they are simply part of the test. You can surely use this to argue against the existence of God, but remember it can still be a test from God. Some people are tested through this kind of physical pain, weakness more than others.

I see this world as a chaotic game which God has started up and maintains. The causing factor of the chaos is the test subjects themselves, the human souls. Once you realize it is only but a game the life will become a lot easier because you have something to be certain about, but also a whole new realm of challenges emerge such as playing the game right. For example, by being 'good'. Or as I jokingly want to put it "Be on the Light Side of the Force".

It is certainly not a test in that regard for God, but it is a test for us, as God lets His MMORPG proceed according to His will. Talk about immense mercy and grace of God to create all this for us to get a good story between good and evil because we failed some initial test in the beginning and instead of outright being thrown in the Hell fire He creates a sandbox game instead in MMORPG style to run us through another time to give another show.

Well, who knows God's true intentions anyway. I am simply glad to be part of the show. You, brother Ahmad, are another player I say hello to in the game. And it does not really matter to me if you believe in God or not. It is your win or loss depending on what was the Truth. I decided to believe that the world could not exist simply on its own volition, the complex system we live in and all things in the galaxies to just be there out of its own.

I have observed you for quite a while and I once more ask you what you do here, brother Ahmad Bilal. Is it for your own amusement or due to the feeling you want to aid people out of the God delusion? Do you think we live miserable lives due to our belief?

No, that is for those who do not believe in God or are weak in Faith.

So tell me, what is your intention, if you could be honest? Because I am not so stupid that I cannot see that you are here other than to argue whether there is a God or not, and your opinion seems to be quite certain that there are no deities based on your utterances. And you try to simply prove people wrong, which is a typical human traits for whatever purpose that fulfills. Self-gratification?

Whatever honest reason I will accept, because I dislike not being certain about something. If there is an answer you seek I will gladly try to solve your mystery once and for all that you may find a better hobby. Should you wish to remain here then, well that is up to you and I cannot prevent you. I think only about your time, and me and other's peace.

Are you here to feel good by criticizing people's seemingly more or less illogical, irrational explanations on such an abstract topic as God, proving them wrong when there really is no right or wrong? "Everything is possible, nothing is impossible", if you believe in God. So your logic has no meaning in this world should God wish it.

Laws of physics are there because someone or something created them. It is that simple, to us.

No complex DNA-strings were created by evolution alone. How can a few cells know how to create an evolved being?

Pieces of rock in the universe, they were hardly forming planets and with substances coincidentally placed there to make things work. How do you explain that atoms form molecules and become a mass of something? There are more questions here by believing in natural selection than in a divinely controlled evolution. Where is the logic in that?

Should you still have arguments after this lengthy post I am surely surprised. But you seem to look everywhere for a tiny imperfection, so at a second thought, yes, you are going to argue back. Your wordings of logic or rationality will not work here though, because these thoughts are in another dimension where your science have no power.

You don't know the power... of God.

Anyway, I wish you peace and prosperity and I have no quarrel with you, good brother Ahmad. Hope you will be fine wherever you end up after your death. Seriously, I wish you the best.

God bless you

Ahmad_Bilal

Peace, FearGod.

You are proposing that all of us should be in the same position.

So all of us have to be businessmen and bosses or all of us to be kings or Doctors..etc.

I'm not insinuating that all of us should have the same profession; that's not what 'equality' is about. I'm merely saying that we could all reasonably be in the same position, held in the same political, social and economical position. That's clearly not the case in the world. A clear example of this? Slavery! Has God ordained for some people to be slaves and others to be masters? What kind of statute and standard for equality is that?!

The Bible, which the Quran claims to support and authenticate, clearly endorses slavery, especially in the Jewish Torah. Are you saying that, in order to be acceptable to God, I should strive to be the 'best slave I can be'?

I think slavery is a good example of the extreme inequality in the world today, and the Quranic passages you posted appear to allude to the unreasonable concept of domestic inequality too.