Isa is the prophet ; Jesus is not
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idolfree, what I am trying to express all along is Shall we not seek Wisdom to beat the illusion that our lives suffering in this world, so as to envision and live through the reality the worlds were created with and elevate ourselves into the world next as shaidis. Allah says this world and the skies and everything in between were not created in vain; but our ways of life with our knowledge gained is a test and an illusion.
the EXTERNAL, in reality , is in illusion, but this illusion is part of our test, so we work with its laws, not against them.
Can illusion have the Laws? Illusion if imaginary and false sense of appreciation ?
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Peace be upon you Doctor,
idolfree, what I am trying to express all along is Shall we not seek Wisdom to beat the illusion that our lives suffering in this world, so as to envision and live through the reality the worlds were created with and elevate ourselves into the world next as shaidis.
What is a "shaidis"? I agree that wee seek wisdom, but where it seems you and I differ is that you disregard knowledge. The God tells us to say "increase my knowledge", but I have not heard you explain this part in connection with your position.
Allah says this world and the skies and everything in between were not created in vain; but our ways of life with our knowledge gained is a test and an illusion.
This illusory life is a test, yes, but we start pasing the test only when we aquire knowledge, just like a test in this world, we have to aquire knowledge until we get wisdom. The God says the human was created weak, we have to use knowledge until we are strong.
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the EXTERNAL, in reality , is in illusion, but this illusion is part of our test, so we work with its laws, not against them.Can illusion have the Laws? Illusion if imaginary and false sense of appreciation ?
I did not understand the second part, but YES, the God's mercy is in creating this illusion with LAWS so we can find our way. We must remain balanced. Although this is an illusion, we must work within it, until we return (our consciousness) back to the God.
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Peace be upon you Shuiab,
- Allah created the skies and the earth in truth (HAQQ). Truly in that is a Sign for those who believe.
Your point is?
Next time you have a dream where you "see" things and "touch" things, think about how that is happening. Then when you wake up, tell me how that is any different.
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Peace be upon you,
Thanks shuaib, but what does brother idolfree say to this ? Did Allah create illusion ? Or the Truth ?
(632) The life of this world is no more than illusion and vanity, while the abode of the Hereafter is far better for the righteous. Do you not understand?
Lets talk science, which should not be seperate from "religion". When you look at your "solid" hand, is it real, or the illusion made by millions of particles?
I would say that THIS FACT is the TRUTH(haqq), which the God created.
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Peace be upon you Doctor,
When will you adress the instruiction for us to SAY"My lord increase my KNOWLEDGE" ?
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(632) The life of this world is no more than illusion and vanity, while the abode of the Hereafter is far better for the righteous. Do you not understand?
Lets talk science, which should not be seperate from "religion". When you look at your "solid" hand, is it real, or the illusion made by millions of particles? I would say that THIS FACT is the TRUTH(haqq), which the God created.
First of all there is no religion. Only Two Paths are existing 1. The right and 2 The wrong.
So if science is right or wrong is what we shall see. Right is absolute; wrong is relative and ever changing see-saw play. Science belongs to the second category. Coming to the millions of particles and the hand.
The "hand" is Right. It has purpose - its existence coming from the all encompasing 'Faith' emanating from one's soul.
And the science is wrong - 'millions of particles theory' that you speak of is mere vanity and illusion until it shapes up into useful forms and activity. We can even go further backwards and say the particles again are originated from gaseous masses and other invisible substances and so on. The scientific knowledge is a see-saw concept, a vain illusion before THE FAITH - i.e, getting at the wisdom, the absolute reality.
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Peace be upon you Doctor,
When will you adress the instruiction for us to SAY "My lord increase my KNOWLEDGE" ?
First let us define the term in our respective ideology
Knolwedge is Seeing, hearing and writing and speaking! D
Its Use Be dependant on each other, a disgrace that it brings on! ( -
Peace be upon you Doc,
First let us define the term in our respective ideology
Knolwedge is Seeing, hearing and writing and speaking!
Its Use Be dependant on each other, a disgrace that it brings on!Okay, so now tell us why the God tells us to SAY "My Lord, increase my knowledge".
With the negativity you have associated with knowledge, why does the God tell us to seek increase in it? Help me understand.
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Peace be upon you Doc,
Okay, so now tell us why the God tells us to SAY "My Lord, increase my knowledge".With the negativity you have associated with knowledge, why does the God tell us to seek increase in it? Help me understand.
Your translation of ILM is knowledge, whereas the meaning is "ability to understand the TRUTH". When you seek knowledge from Allah, it means you want the truth from allah/the absolute understanding/the Wisdom.
"O Lord Increase my ability to understand the Truth"
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Peace be upon you Doctor,
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Peace be upon you Doc,
Okay, so now tell us why the God tells us to SAY "My Lord, increase my knowledge".With the negativity you have associated with knowledge, why does the God tell us to seek increase in it? Help me understand.
Doctor
Your translation of ILM is knowledge, whereas the meaning is "ability to understand the TRUTH". When you seek knowledge from Allah, it means you want the truth from allah/the absolute understanding/the Wisdom."O Lord Increase my ability to understand the Truth"
You understand TRUTH by knowing, and proper application of that KNOWING is Wisdom.
Doctor, it appears that you have taken on Man's corruption of the word "KNOWledge" as your correct definition. The better metod would be to bring back the correct understanding of that word, then you will remove the difficulty you have in translating "Ilm" to Knowledge.