The White race are Jinn?
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If they are in Human Form, my question would be? Do they know they are jinn? Or have they lost that ability? I don't buy into the race argument, it only leads to divisions, when we are supposed to be united. peace
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Salamun alaykum.
I recently had a debate with a brother on Jinn. He is of the understanding that Jinn are Human they interbred with the children of Adam (who are pure black) and hey presto! You get white people. Any thoughts would be most welcome.How does a being made of scorching wind/smokeless fire interbreed with men of clay/matter?
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Jaann (plural of jinn) can be anything, it is not a kind it is a charactristic which can have anything. It means "concelaed", concealed ones. It can be people, it can be phenomena, it can spirits, whatever, but they are concealed.
Iblees was made of fire, but not necessarily other jaann are made of fire, They are just concealed.
Salaam
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I recently had a debate with a brother on Jinn. He is of the understanding that Jinn are Human they interbred with the children of Adam (who are pure black) and hey presto! You get white people. Any thoughts would be most welcome. )
Nice raw material for "Black Supremacist" propaganda..
Black uber alles, black is the pure race, white is a tainted race which justify it's elimination.. and so does yellow, brown and other color..Having said that, the above might have some truth to it...
The varieties of modern sapiens genes (not only skin shade) are the results of cross breeding with other humanoid.. we now know at least three; Neanderthal, Denisovans and the third sub-species which we haven't managed to find any fossil of... But it doesn't really stroke well with division on purely skin color..Some example Native Australians (Dark skinned) = Neanderthal + Denisovans + Sapiens
Polynesian + Asian (some are dark and some are light skinned) = Neanderthal + Denisovans + Sapiens
Caucasian (Light skinned) = Neanderthal + Sapiens
Sub Saharan African = Sapiens -
Iblees was made of fire, but not necessarily other jaann are made of fire, They are just concealed.
Salaam
fire is a metaphor of something have a form of energy(heat, steam, atom, hydrogen,solar energy,electricity,gas) ... in 7th century the fire was the only availaible form of energy ... so it was considered as fire(energy) beings ...
the fire what we create and the energy what they have not similar as we know the fire always have smoke...
God created the jinn with smokeless flame of fire itself give a hint that these are beings created from self energised stuff which make possible for them to flight through the skies...a human being is created from dust(clay) he can generate energy not by his own but by the help of existed energy at earth.. then he can also penetrate the boundaries of heaven and earth by making a fueling rocket...
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Huruf,
For your information, the human does produce heat within its own body through a phenomenon which is a kind of geothermal heating, homeostasis . It is not strong, but will work while the external temperature is roughly between 15 to the body's own temperature without extra clothing or overheat protection. Many other animals have such as fur to isolate body heat instead of just fat while some animals cannot produce heat on their own such as reptiles.
And in my world the jinn is just a component of us humans, the bodily, or encasing or outer layer. Body is a valid lexical and etymological definition from sources I have browsed. I would not believe in such as supernatural beings called jinns. Satan is of the bodily, simple as that. It is that which draws us to this world to indulge.
Angela are something else, they have no material composition but are Ethereal. Would be incorrect to give them physical attributes. Nowhere does it say angels are jinns, but this is a human assumption based on that Satan is of the jinn and he is claimed to be a fallen angel. This is however nowhere to be read about even in the sectarian interpretation of Quran. Satan is of the jinn, but it does not have anything to do with the Maleika. They are above the jinn.
Jinn can also be a derogatory term to refer to a worldly human, a profoundly bodily person who enjoys what the world has to offer in their illusion and cannot think beyond it.
Be well
Amenuel -
fire is a metaphor
I agree fire is a metaphor for the jinn type personality, i.e., intensity,
ambition, leadership, hatred, narcissism, racism etc., and mud/clay is a metaphor for
Malleability, those who can be shaped, led, the followers, supporters,
and adherents.38/76 He said, "I am better than him. You created me from fire and created him from clay."
Iblis is/was the original racist, supremacists, because he believes/believed he is better than
those made of mud/clay. Which leads us to the present day debate of oligarchs, race and
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So if I'm between white and grey skinned, what does that make me? Also, I eat a lot of carrot, so I became orange. Does that make me human or jinn or non?
Thanks for help.
Salam handshake
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Is that a human or jinn?
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so I became orange. Does that make me human or jinn or non?
metaphorically you are mirinda jinny ...
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fire is a metaphor of something have a form of energy(heat, steam, atom, hydrogen,solar energy,electricity,gas) ... in 7th century the fire was the only availaible form of energy ... so it was considered as fire(energy) beings ...
the fire what we create and the energy what they have not similar as we know the fire always have smoke...
God created the jinn with smokeless flame of fire itself give a hint that these are beings created from self energised stuff which make possible for them to flight through the skies...a human being is created from dust(clay) he can generate energy not by his own but by the help of existed energy at earth.. then he can also penetrate the boundaries of heaven and earth by making a fueling rocket...
Oh, thank you all that have made me aware that fire is a metaphore, I would never have guessed, just as who would have guessed that mud or earth or whatever could also be a metaphore. It is nice that people feel so absolutely sure about things like that.
But the question is that metaphore or not metaphore Iblees is just a case of being jinn, not the only possibility that there be jaann and that as far as I can verify all identifications of jinn as this or that that you are doing and whether metaphore or not are conjecture.
Salaam
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Fire is not a metaphor. When it's written fire, literally, it's fire. So if it's said the rejecters will burn, then they will burn.
If we use Quran, I'm sure we will understand what the Jinn are, without using metaphores.
Salam
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Oh, thank you all that have made me aware that fire is a metaphore, I would never have guessed, just as who would have guessed that mud or earth or whatever could also be a metaphore. It is nice that people feel so absolutely sure about things like that.
But the question is that metaphore or not metaphore Iblees is just a case of being jinn, not the only possibility that there be jaann and that as far as I can verify all identifications of jinn as this or that that you are doing and whether metaphore or not are conjecture.
Salaam
i m not talking about ibless.. i m talking about the beings other than humans...
yeh i wanted to make you aware about one more thing... about humans.. interestingly and fortunately you have labotratory in which you can experiment the human particles with the particles of earth and you will find out both have same properties... so its not a methaphor...
about jinns/invisible beings/energy beings/smoklessfire beings you cannot do experiment on them ,well when you do one let me know what you have find in them . properties of fire , or an action to a reaction that cause a form of energy like wood catch a fire by a reaction.. ! but make sure one thing find a kind of fire in which reaction will not cause a smoke otherwise its discarded ... so let me guess niether you will manage to find/understand the smokeless fire nor you will b able to do experiment on any jinny... you are blocked from both sides ..
so fire here is perfectly a methphor... but human and the addressed particle is not methphor... u can always test it... yeah
so as far i think the fire is a methphor or the availaible form of energy at that time so God use that word to make some people understand... people need to understannd what is the defination of methphor...
when u cant see anything then language borrow a word to make you understand ... hence fire methphor perfectly fit with jinns...
if the electricity or plasma were discovered at the time of revelation then probably God make you understand by a methaphor plasma... or electric beings rotfl
ahh i have another understanding according to your point of view... the concealed things are jinns... so gravity vaccum, kinetic energy ,potential energy, magnetic field all are also a form/kind of jinnies... unfortunately all these things were also not discovered at the time of revelation so God missed to use that word too....
But the author of quran is very intelligent he use the easy language for people to understand ...
same like in general language we use ladies and genetleman... instead of using ladies ,genetleman and transgenders...
does it mean transgender dosent exist or God was unaware about the third sex... nope
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Fire is not a metaphor. When it's written fire, literally, it's fire. So if it's said the rejecters will burn, then they will burn.
If we use Quran, I'm sure we will understand what the Jinn are, without using metaphores.
Salam
Fire is only a visual phenomenon of another process. Heat is another way of seeing it and heat and flammability determines when the matter will "burn" which is when a matter is disintegrating. But it is the heat which accomplishes it all.
And heat could be regarded as energy which is being discharged. The nuur word is meaning something like "energy". And all living beings in the world are just constructed from energy or whatever to call the phenomenon forming the atoms of the universe which in return make the molecules which we can observe in our world through various methods depending on substance.
What I wanted to say, nothing can be made of fire and what causes the fire is something building up energy so much that its heat starts a kind of chain reaction fueled by such as oxygen. The "burning" is actually on atomic (even subatomic) level while we perceive it as a flame. Fire is not an element which was the common belief many centuries ago and is only a visual effect of a process going on in a worldly substance. The flame going up is particles including heat coloring the environment.
What Quran means with fire is to have to endure being a being of energy continually and feel this energy ("fire" forever unless they find a way to stop it. That is the non-distorted version before Pagan-minded clergymen added their bias.
Be well
Amenuel -
Fire is only a visual phenomenon of another process. Heat is another way of seeing it and heat and flammability determines when the matter will "burn" which is when a matter is disintegrating. But it is the heat which accomplishes it all.
And heat could be regarded as energy which is being discharged. The nuur word is meaning something like "energy". And all living beings in the world are just constructed from energy or whatever to call the phenomenon forming the atoms of the universe which in return make the molecules which we can observe in our world through various methods depending on substance.
What I wanted to say, nothing can be made of fire and what causes the fire is something building up energy so much that its heat starts a kind of chain reaction fueled by such as oxygen. The "burning" is actually on atomic (even subatomic) level while we perceive it as a flame. Fire is not an element which was the common belief many centuries ago and is only a visual effect of a process going on in a worldly substance. The flame going up is particles including heat coloring the environment.
What Quran means with fire is to have to endure being a being of energy continually and feel this energy ("fire" forever unless they find a way to stop it. That is the non-distorted version before Pagan-minded clergymen added their bias.
Be well
AmenuelStill doesn't make sense.
There's another verse saying
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And when Hell is ignited.Earth will be burning. I don't know how Earth will be ignited; perhaps through when the sun expands as is said in Quran. So if something is ignited, it means there will be fire. Earth will become a fireball, and God will save those who believed and did good away from Hell (burning Earth) and to His Paradise.
It's not a metaphor!
Salam
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The Qur'an states that Iblees is of the mala'ika, and Iblees says of himself that he is made of fire.
As far as I can remember no other jinn is mentionned as being made of fire.
Again, jaann (plural of jinn) are not a particular creation but a trait, a feature, a characteristic.
Most of the mentions of jinn appear together with the mention of 'ins and are presented as something akin or parallel.
The basic meaning of j-n-n- is to conceal
The basic meaning of a-n-s is to be sociable.
So from there we might infer that both may be people, the ins of them associate visibly and the jinn do not associate visibly. If we translate that to the spiritual or religious sphere, might be the jinn are beievers that do not make it obvious, that do not associate for rituals and the the ins those tho do or show their "intimate being openly".
May be people who do not worship apparently or in collectivities and people who do.
Salaam