Kitab (k-t-b) : Does it really mean 'a book'?

mirjamnur

Salam

Peace Solomon,

Red How will you translate in ?

I understand, alKitaab means the writing/text and alQuraan means the reading/reciting.

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us to His only path pr
mmKhan

hmm i think you are right-- peace

bkanwar2

Salam Badar,

Interesting post.

Was the findings yours? If not, please dismiss #2.
Could you please apply the new meaning of the word to some verses of the Q where 'kitab' appears, so we could all see the possibilities.

Cheers!
Mohammed Noh

Yes, and for a start please ponder upon this.

21

Man (mankind) has suffered intensely.

22

This suffering for you is due to the refusal and departure from the learned collection of principles. Without a shadow of doubt, a timeless mode of conduct is contained, in it; for all those seeking to safe guard against, a life, lacking faculty of growth, intelligence, knowledge as well, free of sorrow and grief.

farida

As far as I can see, "AlKitab" is often used to refer to jews/christians. This is why i think it might mean the followers of book revealed to Muhammad and all other messengers.

nope

Mazhar

Peace Solomon,

Red How will you translate in ?

It is incorrect quote. Unless Inna which precedes it is mentioned the word cannot be in accusative case.

Joe_Betik

Salam,

Brother MMKhan, thank you for sharing your views.

Thank you also Brother Badar, for making the clarifications.

To the rest, I do appreciate your participations.

Just for discussion, in 22 we read 'thalika alkitabu. ...' Methinks 'this kitab' here refers to 'a-l-m', or 'a-l-m' (whatever it means or represents) is definitely a 'kitab'.

If we were of the opinion that the meaning for 'a-l-m' is unknown, then we do not know what that first few verses of C 2 is all about. And for that matter all the other chapters with 'a-l-m'. We cannot pretend to understand them when we don't know the meaning of 'a-l-m'.

More interesting is the fact that 'a-l-m' is also referred to as (tilka) 'ayat'/sign in other chapters. So in short, an object/subject could be both kitab or ayat.

Any ideas?

Cheers!
Mohammed Noh

bkanwar2

You are correct in your thoughts about it referring to Alif-Lam-Miim. These so to called Huroof e Mukqtaats are not letters. These are words/sentences. This one fully fits tenth form of verb from root Alif-Lam-Miim.

Dhalika , means both "this" and "that" refering to meanings of A L M, as, Man (Mankind) has suffered intensely. Dhalika, means, this suffering (for man/mankind), is due fleeing away from learned collection of principles.

Furthermore, the above meaning of kitab, is further strengthen by meanings of word Quran, which is from root Q R A, which means "he collected together the thing; put it, or drew it together part by part or portion by portion". This clearly points out to source of quran as well.

regards,

farida

You are correct in your thoughts about it referring to Alif-Lam-Miim. ... This one fully fits tenth form of verb from root Alif-Lam-Miim.

regards,

How?

These so to called Huroof e Mukqtaats are not letters. These are words/sentences

These are letters with several dimensions as you would learn from al-amiyr's thread and to claim that these are words, without further explaining, how come, is misleading and also limiting their importance.

This one fully fits tenth form of verb from root Alif-Lam-Miim

I am sorry; unless you further explain and show how you arrived at this result I see it as jibbering.
You still have time to catch up. We received lesson #15 today; very straight forward, explaining Alif-Lam-Miym.
Peace

Mazhar

These are letters with several dimensions as you would learn from al-amiyr's thread and to claim that these are words, without further explaining, how come, is misleading and also limiting their importance.

So called Mystery of Initial Letter/Consonants.

farida

So called Mystery of Initial Letter/Consonants.

salaam Mazhar

Thank you for your link; I looked at it, but it seems to flow in all direction. May I suggest that you limit your study to specific subjects. I see that you discuss alif laam miym in first three para, and then; ** It reflects that the Book in hand is in the language that has letters and other marks, representing that its writing system is letter-diacritic combination based, resulting in the combination of sounds that form a syllable, rather than a single sound. you moved on to other subjects.

I believe one must be brave and have faith in ALLAAH, and to gain knowledge one must not be afraid to explore all avenues, so I hope you would look into al-amiyr's posts. Then maybe you can see the difference and we can discuss what al-amiyr has put forward and compare it to your article insha allaah.

peace

Mazhar

Salam,

what al-amiyr has put forward and compare it to your article

Link pl

farida

Salam,

Link pl

Oh my dear brother right here on this forum;
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604789.0

salaam+

Mazhar

Pl specific link for Alif Laam Meem.

Is it from this site
http//www.thehiddenbook.net/Enter.html

mmkhan

Brother MMKhan, thank you for sharing your views.

Just for discussion, in 22 we read 'thalika alkitabu. ...' Methinks 'this kitab' here refers to 'a-l-m', or 'a-l-m' (whatever it means or represents) is definitely a 'kitab'.

Salaam brother Noh,

You are welcome handshake

Thalika means that and I also think that "a-l-m is that kitab".

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us to His only path pr
mmKhan

Bender

Dhalika , means both "this" and "that" refering to meanings of A L M, as, Man (Mankind) has suffered intensely. Dhalika, means, this suffering (for man/mankind), is due fleeing away from learned collection of principles.

Salaam,

How did you come to this conclusion brother hmm

Salaam,
Bender

farida

Pl specific link for Alif Laam Meem.

salaam
Now that is being lazy brother. If you just ignore the posts from members, and only follow from post 1 to post 15, you would see that it's all about alif laam miym and it is still not finished.

Is it from this site
http//www.thehiddenbook.net/Enter.html

Yes this is his site, but its needs to be updated. Brother al-amiyr has spent all his time on this forum so his site has been neglected and his forum is not active yet, as we are too busy here.
salaam

bkanwar2

Tenth form of verb, is written as =

So to called letters under discussion are written like this

Now let us convert root into the 9th form of verb. It would become , the first two Hemzas/Alifs, due Idgham (rule of combining letters) rule could also be written as . Which is exactly the imlah (spellings) of script of Quran.

Bender

Tenth form of verb, is written as =

So to called letters under discussion are written like this

Now let us convert root into the 10th form of verb. It would become , the first two Hemzas/Alifs, due Idgham (rule of combining letters) rule could also be written as . Which is exactly the imlah (spellings) of script of Quran.

Salaam,

Was this an answer to my question?

If so, then I still can't see "Man (Mankind) has suffered intensely".

Salaam,
Bender

al-amiyr

Tenth form of verb, is written as =

So to called letters under discussion are written like this

Now let us convert root into the 10th form of verb. It would become , the first two Hemzas/Alifs, due Idgham (rule of combining letters) rule could also be written as . Which is exactly the imlah (spellings) of script of Quran.

+salaam brother

I think that you made a mistake with the numbering of the verb forms.

That is the 9th form if we count from the ground form fa-"a-la
The tenth form is istaf'ala
The 9th form would be if-"a-lla
I can see you know it. It might just be hasty slip like we all do. I have also drawn a diagram of this in The Qur'aan Cosmological Model. I post it here.

+salaam

http//www.theholytablemountain.net/lexmod2.png

bkanwar2

Salaam,

Was this an answer to my question?

If so, then I still can't see "Man (Mankind) has suffered intensely".

Salaam,
Bender

Root means "He (a man) was in pain or suffered"

http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume1/00000119.pdf

Waazan/9th form of verb adds meanings of intensity to the root. To confirm this please see William wright Vol 1 page 43 (5.

Please use formula of the language to derive the real meanings "Root + Waazan" = Meanings of word.

"Man (Mankind) has suffered intensely".

bkanwar2

+salaam brother

I think that you made a mistake with the numbering of the verb forms.

That is the 9th form if we count from the ground form fa-"a-la
The tenth form is istaf'ala
The 9th form would be if-"a-lla
I can see you know it. It might just be hasty slip like we all do. I have also drawn a diagram of this in The Qur'aan Cosmological Model. I post it here.

+salaam

Thanks a lot brother. I corrected my mistake.

Regards