Quran alone against history
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justamuslim,
What is not in the Quran of the just mentioned list? All is at least hinted at if you deep study the Quran.
If you mean the amount of rakah, then you are right. Like I said, to avoid reinventing the religion, we can use the same practice as more or less all Muslims in the world. It is not idol worship if you refrain from mentioning Muhammad during the ritual. You have pretty solid evidence of the existence of the physical contact prayer.
It does not say about what to say during the prayer either, does that mean we show just keep quiet during the it?
Prayer is by seeking proximity to God, to glorify Him, nourish our souls, and what traditional muslims say is just fine. And the phrases exist in the Quran.
May God show us the light
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People can try to understand the quran with only the quran, or they can try to understand the quran with the help of context, history, arhceology, grammar etc... and some try to understand it with the help of other scriptures and texts...
It doesn't matter what way you go... or what tools you bring... because unless Allah guides you to understanding, you won't understand an iota... but you think you will, mistakenly.
There is only one method to understand the quran... and that is through Allah opening you eyes and giving you insights. The pre-requisiste for that has nothing to do with method. The focus should not be on the book, it should be on YOU, and your purity of comprehension of reality. Start there and you will be guided to the quran by Allah. And don't expect others to agree with you, except a few. It is the same as with proving God... either you KNOW it and feel it, as revealed by Allah to you, upon your sincere request and hard work with purifying your self, or you just won't see it and will conclude it is hard to find God, or God doesn't exist. There can be no universal key and solution with answers what the meaning of the stuff in the quran is... and the same goes for proof of God. What people seem to fail to understand is that it is not about what a group of people agree on, consensus, or some proven solution and answer... no.. it is all about you! It is ALL about YOU and Allah! What else is there? Has there ever been consensus on anything in this world throughout history (except that water is wet when liquid or that the sun is bright brickwall)? Aren't we responsible for only ourselves in the end? Start with yourself! Purify yourself, and then answers that make sense will show up. But this is for YOUR understanding, YOUR growth. This will then naturally translate into society and whatever ways possible. Others will have to do their own journey. Stop hiding behind others and their opinions. You can never share anyones understanding. They can only try to describe it in words and give some advice, but nothing more. No-one can do the cardio excercise for you. You have to do it yourself. Same with understanding the quran and reality. Stop focussing on the external like books and proofs. Go inside FIRST! Connect to God and ask for purity of comprehension! Then your vision will get clearer and clearer. Finding better methods will not increase your comprehension. Purity will lead you to better methods of e.g. understanding scriptures.
The quran does go on and on about salat and zakat. I've never seen bending on a carpet and pointing your index finger, or paying 2.5% cause any indications of increased purity of heart and mind or understanding of reality. Purity has nothing to do with material possessions, and connection to God has nothing to do with mindlessly mumbling portions of the quran.
Peace!
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Peace,
I give up. God is right, He is the only guide.
No matter what truth I speak no one cares. Of course physical prostration exist in the Quran or you must claim it to be wrong.
Undeniably your own righteousness is very important, Zakat and all that, but God also commands regular prayers, prostrations with standing and bowing momentum.
May God guide us
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Peace,
I give up. God is right, He is the only guide.
No matter what truth I speak no one cares. Of course physical prostration exist in the Quran or you must claim it to be wrong.
Undeniably your own righteousness is very important, Zakat and all that, but God also commands regular prayers, prostrations with standing and bowing momentum.
May God guide us
Exactly dear friend @Man of Faith, it is far better to give up futile disputes...
Who are more evil than those who are reminded of their Lord's proofs, then disregard them, without realizing what they are doing. Consequently, we place shields on their hearts to prevent them from understanding it (the Quran), and deafness in their ears. Thus, no matter what you do to guide them, they can never ever be guided.
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Most people, no matter what you do, will not believe.
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Peace GODsubmitter,
Thanks for your comfort, those two verses really helped and they are really wise. No wonder God is the Most Wise.
May God guide those who deserve it
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No matter what truth I speak no one cares.
Actually, I'm sure most people care and are interested, but everyone has his or her own understanding and point of view as per their current level of development. We all have different background and perceptions.
It's good to share and discuss. This is how we get exposed to new ideas. Sharing and discussing is vital! Unfortunately, some people insist that their way is right and other's way is wrong. No-one can know for sure, unless you have the knowledge of Allah. Others start arguing about arguing. Their trickster minds, aka egos, get emotionally hurt, make it personal, and thus get defensive, and objectivity is thrown out the window. This happens alot on this forum.
Anyhow, I think this forum is essentially great. It's really a gold mine of information, points of view, theories and ideas. It's wonderful to have access to! It can be a wonderful learning place! At least it has been for me.
All the best!
Peace and cheers!sun
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Actually, I'm sure most people care and are interested, but everyone has his or her own understanding and point of view as per their current level of development. We all have different background and perceptions.
It's good to share and discuss. This is how we get exposed to new ideas. Sharing and discussing is vital! Unfortunately, some people insist that their way is right and other's way is wrong. No-one can know for sure, unless you have the knowledge of Allah. Others start arguing about arguing. Their trickster minds, aka egos, get emotionally hurt, make it personal, and thus get defensive, and objectivity is thrown out the window. This happens alot on this forum.
Anyhow, I think this forum is essentially great. It's really a gold mine of information, points of view, theories and ideas. It's wonderful to have access to! It can be a wonderful learning place! At least it has been for me.
All the best!
Peace and cheers!sun
Salaam Zulf,
Nice post!!!
Salaam,
Bender -
Peace mirjanmur,
I was inspired by RK's arguments to purify Islam and I was convinced of the existence of code 19, but I am far from believing all RK said. God is the biggest source of inspiration, and please do not classify me as either this or that.
i'm sorry, if i do that. handshakeI follow Quran alone and I perform the thousands of year old prayer ritual. It is pretty detailed in the Quran.
I reject Hadith because I do not need it, the Quran as a guide is enough.
Salaam Mirjamnur,
In 33 it's not anzalna aleika but nazzala aleika.
But I really don't understand what you mean. What do you mean with "is this not the Prophet"Here again the ayaat
33 He sent down to you AlKitaab with the truth, authenticating what is between His hands; and He sent down AlTtawrata and AlInjeela.
i mean this to you, refers to the Prophet of Arabia, who received the Quran, or? confused
or do you think that should be a general statement for the reader? but where were in this case the womens? aleika is obvious male,or confused?Where exactly did the prophet come into play? see above
nope
Please recheck the ayaats where those words are mentioned. And I recommend not to use translations as they are unfortunately based on hadiths and The Bible.
If you like we can look at the verses 1 by 1. AlQuran is not a geography book nope yes i know yes
How can shaitaan touch you if you do your best to follow the ayaats of Allah in the best way?
shaiaan has no power over the servants of Allah nope maybe i'm not a real servant of Allah?? ( ( -XSalaam,
Bender-X
peacePeople can try to understand the quran with only the quran, or they can try to understand the quran with the help of context, history, arhceology, grammar etc... and some try to understand it with the help of other scriptures and texts...
It doesn't matter what way you go... or what tools you bring... because unless Allah guides you to understanding, you won't understand an iota... but you think you will, mistakenly.
There is only one method to understand the quran... and that is through Allah opening you eyes and giving you insights. The pre-requisiste for that has nothing to do with method. The focus should not be on the book, it should be on YOU, and your purity of comprehension of reality. Start there and you will be guided to the quran by Allah. And don't expect others to agree with you, except a few. It is the same as with proving God... either you KNOW it and feel it, as revealed by Allah to you, upon your sincere request and hard work with purifying your self, or you just won't see it and will conclude it is hard to find God, or God doesn't exist. There can be no universal key and solution with answers what the meaning of the stuff in the quran is... and the same goes for proof of God. What people seem to fail to understand is that it is not about what a group of people agree on, consensus, or some proven solution and answer... no.. it is all about you! It is ALL about YOU and Allah! What else is there? Has there ever been consensus on anything in this world throughout history (except that water is wet when liquid or that the sun is bright brickwall? Aren't we responsible for only ourselves in the end? Start with yourself! Purify yourself, and then answers that make sense will show up. But this is for YOUR understanding, YOUR growth. This will then naturally translate into society and whatever ways possible. Others will have to do their own journey. Stop hiding behind others and their opinions. You can never share anyones understanding. They can only try to describe it in words and give some advice, but nothing more. No-one can do the cardio excercise for you. You have to do it yourself. Same with understanding the quran and reality. Stop focussing on the external like books and proofs. Go inside FIRST! Connect to God and ask for purity of comprehension! Then your vision will get clearer and clearer. Finding better methods will not increase your comprehension. Purity will lead you to better methods of e.g. understanding scriptures.
The quran does go on and on about salat and zakat. I've never seen bending on a carpet and pointing your index finger, or paying 2.5% cause any indications of increased purity of heart and mind or understanding of reality. Purity has nothing to do with material possessions, and connection to God has nothing to do with mindlessly mumbling portions of the quran.
Peace!
Thank you very much for this post. Help me a lot peace
Actually, I'm sure most people care and are interested, but everyone has his or her own understanding and point of view as per their current level of development. We all have different background and perceptions.
It's good to share and discuss. This is how we get exposed to new ideas. Sharing and discussing is vital! Unfortunately, some people insist that their way is right and other's way is wrong. No-one can know for sure, unless you have the knowledge of Allah. Others start arguing about arguing. Their trickster minds, aka egos, get emotionally hurt, make it personal, and thus get defensive, and objectivity is thrown out the window. This happens alot on this forum.
Anyhow, I think this forum is essentially great. It's really a gold mine of information, points of view, theories and ideas. It's wonderful to have access to! It can be a wonderful learning place! At least it has been for me.
All the best!
Peace and cheers!sun
100% agree with you - handshake
peace and salams! -
Salaam Mirjamnur,
i mean this to you, refers to the Prophet of Arabia, who received the Quran, or?
I thought you were talking about "between his hands"
IF "between his hands" refers to the "YOU" THEN it should be something like this
He sent down to YOU AlKitaab with the truth, authenticating what is between YOUR hands; and He sent down AlTtawrata and AlInjeela.
Besides this, please recheck the ayaat I gave you about Isa.
546 And We sent in their footsteps Jesus, son of Mary, authenticating what is between his hand of the Torah. And We gave him the Gospel, in it is a guidance and a light, and authenticating what is between his hand of the Torah, and a guidance and a lesson for the righteous.InshaAllah you see the difference between 546 and 33.
In 33 there is no "between his hand of the Torah".or do you think that should be a general statement for the reader? but where were in this case the womens? aleika is obvious male,or ?
InshaAllah if you forget about arabic grammar then it will be clear for you who "YOU" is.
I recommend to read the story of Musa (or any other person in The Quran), and how he is called when he is called.
And I recommend to read all the verses about Meryem, please take a very close look how the words are used for her, no grammar book or grammar rule can explain it to you.maybe i'm not a real servant of Allah??
Don't say that nope
InshaAllah you and me and a lot of people from this forum will be of those who will be brought near prSalaam,
Bender -
First
we take the Qur'an as a rarity , exclusivity and unity, and the only authentic word from God. We consider simultaneously all other writings as partially falsified and so 'untrustworthy'. We question all the 'religious' history, as we know it, and conclude that this history was falsified by evil forces.Second
We recognize the Qur'an as the final revelation of God's revelations in a cycle, which complement other writings , which partially are still present ,and correct them as needed. ( i.e. Murder, Prayer, veil, stoning, sacrificial rites). We recognize the 'religious' history, but we are aware that they may be erroneous thoughts in it.Salaam mirjamnur
Concerning this question, i a m, with no doubts, an extremist of the first category.
Take other sources than Quran as religious sources is simply Shirk for me.
45-6 clearly says that we haven't to follow oyher hadiths that god's Ayat.Taking other books that quran is the same as saying that Quran is uncomplete and that we have to take writers of other books as others Rabb, at least partially.
if we admits that other books are partially "legals" then who is who will decide wich part is true and wich part is false ? We will then follow our own fantasy and not follow god only. Followwing his own fantasy is also shirk and kofr.I simply don't follow the same religion of those who says they are muslims and follows other books that quran, partially or totally, and i dont follow the same religion that those who decide by their own what to add and not to add to Quran to complete their religion, even if they call themselves quranists.
i have a simple question for persons of category 2
How, in the judgement day, will you justify yours choices concerning the religious addings when you know that arguments like "they pleased me" or "i have put faith in their writers" are not receivable ?sorry to be hard but is is sincerely my opinion.
Islam is same root as sallama/tasallama which means give/receive. Unique rabb(educator) is unique source allowed for receiving unique religion of unique God.Peace
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Salaam Mirjamnur,
I thought you were talking about "between his hands"
IF "between his hands" refers to the "YOU" THEN it should be something like this
He sent down to YOU AlKitaab with the truth, authenticating what is between YOUR hands; and He sent down AlTtawrata and AlInjeela.
Besides this, please recheck the ayaat I gave you about Isa.
546 And We sent in their footsteps Jesus, son of Mary, authenticating what is between his hand of the Torah. And We gave him the Gospel, in it is a guidance and a light, and authenticating what is between his hand of the Torah, and a guidance and a lesson for the righteous.InshaAllah you see the difference between 546 and 33.
In 33 there is no "between his hand of the Torah".I have studied the Ayats. It means either between HIS HANDS OR
BETWEEN THE HANDS OF HIM (RELATED TO THE AL KITAB)
Then we have two possibilities for the aleikait either it speaks to Muhammad / the last prophet, and then means the Aya
He sent down to YOU AlKitaab with the truth, authenticating what is between his hands or the hands from it, and He sent down AlTtawrata and AlInjeela.
But can't mean the Enjeel or the Torah, because, they are mentioned in the second part of the aya- then what ist this 'Between his hands'?
Can't mean also the unfinished written Quran because the pronom 'hu' not 'your... hmm what then??Second it speaks to us all and just want to say that the Qur'an confirms everything in front of him, which is still available. Or confirms the Suhufs from Muhammad which he write down??
Please helpAnd in 3.3 i stumbled op the form nazzala and after anzalna in the word for word translation, they are translated the same way... what is the real difference? that the process from 'nazzal' in first form not yet finish and in the second= anzalna finish??
InshaAllah if you forget about arabic grammar then it will be clear for you who "YOU" is.
I conclude that you want to say that the you refers every reader of the Quran. And because there is no common grammaticl shape for this case, Allah has selected the male form, right? but it is permissible to forget the grammar if we know very well, that the source from the Quran is God?? He didn't send down a perfect Quran? ...
I recommend to read the story of Musa (or any other person in The Quran), and how he is called when he is called.
The stories are either in the past or tells as direct speech, which is clearly marked.
And I recommend to read all the verses about Meryem, please take a very close look how the words are used for her, no grammar book or grammar rule can explain it to you.
here i can't follow you. Thanks for clarificationDon't say that nope
InshaAllah you and me and a lot of people from this forum will be of those who will be brought near pr inshaAllahSalaam,
BenderSalam
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[Salam noshirk
Salam
Salaam mirjamnur
Concerning this question, i a m, with no doubts, an extremist of the first category.
Take other sources than Quran as religious sources is simply Shirk for me.
45-6 clearly says that we haven't to follow oyher hadiths that god's Ayat.yes i know that. but what you make with the quotet aya 3.3 as example??
Taking other books that quran is the same as saying that Quran is uncomplete and that we have to take writers of other books as others Rabb, at least partially.
i'm not agree. Allah by himselfs speaks from his word before - it's the same RABB not another. If i study the Torah oder the Enjell- wathever Enjeel means- i don't make Shirk- i know who is my rabb- HE IS THE SAME
if we admits that other books are partially "legals" then who is who will decide wich part is true and wich part is false ? We will then follow our own fantasy and not follow god only. Followwing his own fantasy is also shirk and kofr.
I'm agree with you in one point when we take the law from any other written book and don't care about the Quran- (if we let Ahadith to replace the Quran or Quranic statements or laws and the same for the bible ) then we don't follow Gods orders.
I simply don't follow the same religion of those who says they are muslims and follows other books that quran, partially or totally, and i dont follow the same religion that those who decide by their own what to add and not to add to Quran to complete their religion, even if they call themselves quranists.
handshakei have a simple question for persons of category 2
How, in the judgement day, will you justify yours choices concerning the religious addings when you know that arguments like "they pleased me" or "i have put faith in their writers" are not receivable ?from where you get, that a person from category 2 adds something to the Quran?? or from where you get the conclusion that anybody from category 2 makes this for 'please the others???"
sorry to be hard but is is sincerely my opinion.
Islam is same root as sallama/tasallama which means give/receive. Unique rabb(educator) is unique source allowed for receiving unique religion of unique God.
handshakePeace
peace too )
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Peace noshirk,
You mean interpret the Quran through wishful thinking, adding or removing religious elements? Then I am with you! It seems you meant that, but you sounded so angry it tainted your words.
May God let you have Peace
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I have studied the Ayats. It means either between HIS HANDS OR
BETWEEN THE HANDS OF HIM (RELATED TO THE AL KITAB)
Then we have two possibilities for the aleikait either it speaks to Muhammad / the last prophet, and then means the Aya
He sent down to YOU AlKitaab with the truth, authenticating what is between his hands or the hands from it, and He sent down AlTtawrata and AlInjeela.
But can't mean the Enjeel or the Torah, because, they are mentioned in the second part of the aya- then what ist this 'Between his hands'?
Can't mean also the unfinished written Quran because the pronom 'hu' not 'your... hmm what then??Salaam Mirjamnur,
Red There is a 3rd possibility
Lets begin from the beginning, FM translation
31 ALM.
32 God, there is no god except He, the Living, the Sustainer.
33 He sent down to you the Book with the truth, authenticating what is between his hands; and He sent down the Torah and the Gospel.I devided the ayaat in 3 parts.
To who is ?He? referring in the green part?
I think to The One mentioned in 32. I believe you agree with me on this.As you can see, there is no change in perspective in the Red part.
So, as per my current understanding, IF there is no change in perspective THEN it?s still referring to same as before.
Thus per my current understanding ?His? in the red part refers also to The One mentioned in 32.
Furthermore you can also notice that there is still no change in perspective in the blue part, so the ?He? in the blue part is also referring to The One mentioned in 32.So as per my current knowledge and understanding it reads like this
Allah sent down The Book with truth, authenticating what is between His hands (thus between ?The Hands of Allah?) and Allah sent down the Torah and the Gospel.InshaAllah it?s now a bit clearer for you.
The Book authenticates what is between ?The Hands? of Allah.
If you find this difficult to grasp, then please take a look at 671.InshaAllah I will be back to you later on the rest.
Salaam,
Bender -
Salaam Mirjamnur,
Red There is a 3rd possibility
Lets begin from the beginning, FM translation
31 ALM.
32 God, there is no god except He, the Living, the Sustainer.
33 He sent down to you the Book with the truth, authenticating what is between his hands; and He sent down the Torah and the Gospel.I devided the ayaat in 3 parts.
To who is ?He? referring in the green part?
I think to The One mentioned in 32. I believe you agree with me on this.As you can see, there is no change in perspective in the Red part.
So, as per my current understanding, IF there is no change in perspective THEN it?s still referring to same as before.
Thus per my current understanding ?His? in the red part refers also to The One mentioned in 32.
Furthermore you can also notice that there is still no change in perspective in the blue part, so the ?He? in the blue part is also referring to The One mentioned in 32.So as per my current knowledge and understanding it reads like this
Allah sent down The Book with truth, authenticating what is between His hands (thus between ?The Hands of Allah?) and Allah sent down the Torah and the Gospel.InshaAllah it?s now a bit clearer for you.
The Book authenticates what is between ?The Hands? of Allah.
If you find this difficult to grasp, then please take a look at 671.InshaAllah I will be back to you later on the rest.
Salaam,
BenderSalam Bender
hey ! thank you for brake the wall...! no, i find it so easy to grasp and it is the logic and simple answer!! group peace
and i wait the rest -
Salaam Mirjamnur,
Red There is a 3rd possibility
Lets begin from the beginning, FM translation
31 ALM.
32 God, there is no god except He, the Living, the Sustainer.
33 He sent down to you the Book with the truth, authenticating what is between his hands; and He sent down the Torah and the Gospel.I devided the ayaat in 3 parts.
To who is ?He? referring in the green part?
I think to The One mentioned in 32. I believe you agree with me on this.As you can see, there is no change in perspective in the Red part.
So, as per my current understanding, IF there is no change in perspective THEN it?s still referring to same as before.
Thus per my current understanding ?His? in the red part refers also to The One mentioned in 32.
Furthermore you can also notice that there is still no change in perspective in the blue part, so the ?He? in the blue part is also referring to The One mentioned in 32.So as per my current knowledge and understanding it reads like this
Allah sent down The Book with truth, authenticating what is between His hands (thus between ?The Hands of Allah?) and Allah sent down the Torah and the Gospel.InshaAllah it?s now a bit clearer for you.
The Book authenticates what is between ?The Hands? of Allah.
If you find this difficult to grasp, then please take a look at 671.InshaAllah I will be back to you later on the rest.
Salaam,
Benderbut wait now i have my old problem again with al kitab. i always think that al kitab is the 'complete' book by Allah - by this understanding the Aya should be like that 3.3 "he send you al Quran with the truth...." , or??
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Salaam
Salaam mirjamnur
Concerning this question, i a m, with no doubts, an extremist of the first category.
Take other sources than Quran as religious sources is simply Shirk for me.
45-6 clearly says that we haven't to follow oyher hadiths that god's Ayat.yes i know that. but what you make with the quotet aya 3.3 as example??
Injeel and torah are extracted from Ommo el kitab from wich quran is extracted. However they have been changed by humans. Original torah and original Injeel (i remind that i don't think that jesus is issa) are at ame level as Quran. On the other side, we have to never forgot that science and naturel phenomenons are also considered as ayats bu quran.
Taking other books that quran is the same as saying that Quran is uncomplete and that we have to take writers of other books as others Rabb, at least partially.
i'm not agree. Allah by himselfs speaks from his word before - it's the same RABB not another. If i study the Torah oder the Enjell- wathever Enjeel means- i don't make Shirk- i know who is my rabb- HE IS THE SAME
studying Injeel and torah is not shirk. I think even that it is quite obligatory to understand quran. Quran corrects torah and injeel.if we admits that other books are partially "legals" then who is who will decide wich part is true and wich part is false ? We will then follow our own fantasy and not follow god only. Followwing his own fantasy is also shirk and kofr.
I'm agree with you in one point when we take the law from any other written book and don't care about the Quran- (if we let Ahadith to replace the Quran or Quranic statements or laws and the same for the bible ) then we don't follow Gods orders.
I simply don't follow the same religion of those who says they are muslims and follows other books that quran, partially or totally, and i dont follow the same religion that those who decide by their own what to add and not to add to Quran to complete their religion, even if they call themselves quranists.
handshakei have a simple question for persons of category 2
How, in the judgement day, will you justify yours choices concerning the religious addings when you know that arguments like "they pleased me" or "i have put faith in their writers" are not receivable ?from where you get, that a person from category 2 adds something to the Quran?? or from where you get the conclusion that anybody from category 2 makes this for 'please the others???"
i never said that category 2 is adding something to quran. They are adding something to religion wich is not coming from God and they are saying that is part of religion of God.
i also never said that category 2 is triyng to please others but i am saying that are adding what please to themselves. Doing so, they are following their own wishes and that is kofr. Please read these verses 7-176,18-28,20-16,25-43,28-50,30-29;45-23 to understand what i mean.sorry to be hard but is is sincerely my opinion.
Islam is same root as sallama/tasallama which means give/receive. Unique rabb(educator) is unique source allowed for receiving unique religion of unique God.
handshakePeace
I wished i could express more complex ideas in the english langage.
there is good article in french here http//nawaat.org/portail/2012/12/05/ibadat-el-chouyoukhs-6-anges-jinns-demons-et-satan/i will try here to resume main of what it is said
rouh (same root as wind), chayt (bad odor), and nafs are kind of air movement. Rouh and chayt are external air movement while nafs is internal.
Nafs means breathe and is biological like bachar (skin) and adam (sauce, blood)Rouh is the good "odor" that link us to god.
Chayt is bad "odor" that take away from godJinn = human Imagination. Ancestor of Jinns is Ibliss. Ibliss is no more present with us (wich means that satan never existed in earth). Descent of Ibliss is living in our mind.
Insan and nissa are from same root that nas'y wich mean to forgot (his god)Jinn and Human are dual entity. It is a couple (zawj). This relation is dual to man/woman couple. Mar'ou (human) and mar'aton(women) are same root as ra'a (to see). Mar'aton (women) and Miraa't (mirror) are written quite same in arabic.
When Jinn follows 100% rouh (the spiritual link with only God), Jinn become malaika.
When Jinn follows 100% own imagination or imagination of others, the Jinn becomes a Chaytan.
In this world, our own Jinn is a mix of rouh and chayt and have to chose between Rouh and Chayt.Communauty of Jinns is simply what we call culture, that is the community of all human imaginations. We know that this community exists but we don't see it and we know that they see us.
Jinns live in the biological prison of humans body who remind them permanently that they are only creatures. Ibliss is from balassa wich means from wich we desperate and means also jailed (word police from word ibliss ?).Jenna (paradise) and jinn are same root. Jenna is the spiritual garden where goods jinns (who become thus malaika) are liberated form their human body prison. Bad Jinns (thus chayatins) encounter aa'dhab wich means isolation/separation from god and go to jehennem (black hole?) where they are destroyed/dissoluted.
The tree from wich adam have eaten is the tree of lies about God. It is the tree of lies from wich majority of humans are eating until today. It is the tree of zaqqoum whose fruits are like heads of chayatins and whose roots are in jehennem. That tree is growing more are more by contributions of all humans generations.The original sin of Jinns seems to have already rejected God in an ancient life before the earth creation..
Earth and humans were only created to test jinns who have promised to follow only words of god.I am very frustrated because that article is very difficult for me to traduce in english.
When i read such articles, based only on linguitics and quran, i say to myself that it is a big waste of time to try to find god instruction's in the garbage books of putrid hadiths. Only a chaytan can hope such a thing.There is there also a fantastic traduction of story of salomon and queen of Saba in wich there is absolutely no fantastic phenomenon. For example ants is badly traduced and means liars. There is no trone in the history and no palace.
Peace
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Second it speaks to us all and just want to say that the Qur'an confirms everything in front of him, which is still available. Or confirms the Suhufs from Muhammad which he write down??
Please helpSalaam Mirjamnur,
I saw that you got a ! so no need to explain more )
And in 3.3 i stumbled op the form nazzala and after anzalna in the word for word translation, they are translated the same way... what is the real difference? that the process from 'nazzal' in first form not yet finish and in the second= anzalna finish??
Sorry, I did not study this before so I have at the moment no idea what the difference is.
I conclude that you want to say that the you refers every reader of the Quran. And because there is no common grammaticl shape for this case, Allah has selected the male form, right?
I do not think this is the male form. InshaAllah in the near future I will try to explain this, need some time to confirm every detail for myself.
but it is permissible to forget the grammar if we know very well, that the source from the Quran is God?? He didn't send down a perfect Quran? ...
depends what grammar you are talking about. If you mean The Quranic grammar then I agree with you, if you mean the school grammar then I strongly disagree.
The stories are either in the past or tells as direct speech, which is clearly marked.
Yes, but you have to look when they are adressed. It?s always very clear who or whom the target is, so that there will be no misunderstanding. Please take a look at 233 and further, or 2011 and further, or beginning of chapter 19 etc etc etc. You know exactly who is speaking and to who.
So who is then the target of 33 ? If it?s Mohammed then for sure there had to be somewhere Mohammed mentioned, just in the same way as the examples given above.
here i can't follow you. Thanks for clarification
Take a look at this verse
3335 Inna almuslimeena waalmuslimati waalmumineena waalmuminati waalqaniteena waalqanitati waalssadiqeena waalssadiqati waalssabireena waalssabirati waalkhashiAAeena waalkhashiAAati waalmutasaddiqeena waalmutasaddiqati waalssaimeena waalssaimati waalhafitheena furoojahum waalhafithati waalththakireena Allaha katheeran waalththakirati aAAadda Allahu lahum maghfiratan waajran AAatheemanNow take a look at this verse
6612 Wamaryama ibnata AAimrana allatee ahsanat farjaha fanafakhna feehi min roohina wasaddaqat bikalimati rabbiha wakutubihi wakanat mina alqaniteenaIs meryem a man? If not then why feehi? And why alqaniteena instead of alqanitati like in 3335?
Salaam,
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Salam Bender
hey ! thank you for brake the wall...! no, i find it so easy to grasp and it is the logic and simple answer!! group peace
and i wait the restSalaam again,
O don't worry, when Allah showed this to me I was also for some time confused
if you can read the arabic characters, I recommend to always check the ayaat in arabic, even if you don't understand arabic, it really helps a lot.