Quran alone against history

Bender

but wait now i have my old problem again with al kitab. i always think that al kitab is the 'complete' book by Allah - by this understanding the Aya should be like that 3.3 "he send you al Quran with the truth...." , or??

Salaam for the 3rd time

1037 gives the link between AlQuran and AlKitaab.
1037

btw note that in here also "between His hands" is used.

If you don't understand 1037 then just let it rest till it becomes clear for you.

btw. I am not sure if that is what you were asking.

Salaam,
bender

Bender

Sorry for uselessly intruding here, but I find this interesting.
This 33, is it the same verse that one so often thinks says that the quran confirms other scriptures... or is that some other verse?

Salaam Zulf,

yes this is one of them but there are many more, like 297 -- 1037 -- 548 etc

Salaam,
Bender

mirjamnur

Salaam

I wished i could express more complex ideas in the english langage.
there is good article in french here http//nawaat.org/portail/2012/12/05/ibadat-el-chouyoukhs-6-anges-jinns-demons-et-satan/

i will try here to resume main of what it is said

rouh (same root as wind), chayt (bad odor), and nafs are kind of air movement. Rouh and chayt are external air movement while nafs is internal.
Nafs means breathe and is biological like bachar (skin) and adam (sauce, blood)

Rouh is the good "odor" that link us to god.
Chayt is bad "odor" that take away from god

Jinn = human Imagination. Ancestor of Jinns is Ibliss. Ibliss is no more present with us (wich means that satan never existed in earth). Descent of Ibliss is living in our mind.
Insan and nissa are from same root that nas'y wich mean to forgot (his god)

Jinn and Human are dual entity. It is a couple (zawj). This relation is dual to man/woman couple. Mar'ou (human) and mar'aton(women) are same root as ra'a (to see). Mar'aton (women) and Miraa't (mirror) are written quite same in arabic.

When Jinn follows 100% rouh (the spiritual link with only God), Jinn become malaika.
When Jinn follows 100% own imagination or imagination of others, the Jinn becomes a Chaytan.
In this world, our own Jinn is a mix of rouh and chayt and have to chose between Rouh and Chayt.

Communauty of Jinns is simply what we call culture, that is the community of all human imaginations. We know that this community exists but we don't see it and we know that they see us.
Jinns live in the biological prison of humans body who remind them permanently that they are only creatures. Ibliss is from balassa wich means from wich we desperate and means also jailed (word police from word ibliss ?).

Jenna (paradise) and jinn are same root. Jenna is the spiritual garden where goods jinns (who become thus malaika) are liberated form their human body prison. Bad Jinns (thus chayatins) encounter aa'dhab wich means isolation/separation from god and go to jehennem (black hole?) where they are destroyed/dissoluted.
The tree from wich adam have eaten is the tree of lies about God. It is the tree of lies from wich majority of humans are eating until today. It is the tree of zaqqoum whose fruits are like heads of chayatins and whose roots are in jehennem. That tree is growing more are more by contributions of all humans generations.

The original sin of Jinns seems to have already rejected God in an ancient life before the earth creation..
Earth and humans were only created to test jinns who have promised to follow only words of god.

I am very frustrated because that article is very difficult for me to traduce in english.
When i read such articles, based only on linguitics and quran, i say to myself that it is a big waste of time to try to find god instruction's in the garbage books of putrid hadiths. Only a chaytan can hope such a thing.

There is there also a fantastic traduction of story of salomon and queen of Saba in wich there is absolutely no fantastic phenomenon. For example ants is badly traduced and means liars. There is no trone in the history and no palace.

Peace

Salam Noshirk

i thank you a lot for your last post- your answers make for me clear, that i understood you wrong the first time. i'm agree with you and i also don't think that Jesus is actually Isa and i see the problem from 'man-made-religions' - the Deen of Allah has nothing to do with the present 'religions'.
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I have also problems to communicate in English, my first language is German, but I understand French very well, actually I love French ) I will read the article and then come back to it. Thanks for the interesting link. I have read your resume and have different views on different aspects. But I will come back to it when I've re-examined everything for me
Thank you a lot and peace

mirjamnur

Salaam Mirjamnur,
I do not think this is the male form. InshaAllah in the near future I will try to explain this, need some time to confirm every detail for myself.

yes, please do that and i'm waiting- but don't forget it
depends what grammar you are talking about. If you mean The Quranic grammar then I agree with you, if you mean the school grammar then I strongly disagree.
i mean that the Quranic Grammar is sure perfect

Yes, but you have to look when they are adressed. It?s always very clear who or whom the target is, so that there will be no misunderstanding. Please take a look at 233 and further, or 2011 and further, or beginning of chapter 19 etc etc etc. You know exactly who is speaking and to who.

So who is then the target of 33 ? If it?s Mohammed then for sure there had to be somewhere Mohammed mentioned, just in the same way as the examples given above.
The target of 3.3 to tell the reader that this Quran is from our Rabb our Creator and that this Quran confirms the al kitab, which is in the hands of Allah and also the previous Scriptures

Take a look at this verse
3335 Inna almuslimeena waalmuslimati waalmumineena waalmuminati waalqaniteena waalqanitati waalssadiqeena waalssadiqati waalssabireena waalssabirati waalkhashiAAeena waalkhashiAAati waalmutasaddiqeena waalmutasaddiqati waalssaimeena waalssaimati waalhafitheena furoojahum waalhafithati waalththakireena Allaha katheeran waalththakirati aAAadda Allahu lahum maghfiratan waajran AAatheeman

Now take a look at this verse
6612 Wamaryama ibnata AAimrana allatee ahsanat farjaha fanafakhna feehi min roohina wasaddaqat bikalimati rabbiha wakutubihi wakanat mina alqaniteena

Is meryem a man? If not then why feehi? And why alqaniteena instead of alqanitati like in 3335?
i don't have any idea... confused

Salaam,
Bender

Salaam again,

O don't worry, when Allah showed this to me I was also for some time confused
if you can read the arabic characters, I recommend to always check the ayaat in arabic, even if you don't understand arabic, it really helps a lot.

I read and understand arabic but i'm not so good in grammar- because i can't go in school - i learn with my children
Salam and i thank you and please give me a hint for marjam

Salaam for the 3rd time )

1037 gives the link between AlQuran and AlKitaab.
1037

btw note that in here also "between His hands" is used.

If you don't understand 1037 then just let it rest till it becomes clear for you.

btw. I am not sure if that is what you were asking.

Salaam,
bender

This Aya states, that the Quran is part from the al kitab- as in 2.2 dhalika al kitaba la ghaiba fih...
So is this al kitab= umm al kitab??
Salam and again thank you for the patience )

Bender

I read and understand arabic but i'm not so good in grammar- because i can't go in school - i learn with my children

Salaam mirjamnur,

Oh thats nice
I believe you have more then enough luggage to understand The Quran
You may find it strange but my advice for you is to stop learning from those books. Try to create your own grammar rules only from The Quran.
You are doing with this at least 3 things

You are reading AlQuran instead of Fatima made pancakes for her children.
You are not using any other source besides The Quran to learn it.
You are sure you are not going to learn something that contradicts The Quran, this can have very big and false consequences for your understandings.

This Aya states, that the Quran is part from the al kitab- as in 2.2 dhalika al kitaba la ghaiba fih...
So is this al kitab= umm al kitab??
Salam and again thank you for the patience

Well actually it just says that AlQuran explains AlKitaab. With other words The Recitation explains The Text.

And no it does not say in this verse that the Quran is part from AlKitaab
There is this verse that says that AlKitaab is from AlKitaab.
548 "... "
And I believe the second mentioned AlKitaab in 548 refers to Umm Al Kitaab, but not sure yet..
I understood this from these verses
431
432
433
434

Salaam,
Bender

ps InshaAllah when I finish my study on them, I will answer your other questions.

edit just want to add that ArRahmaan teaches AlQuraan.

mirjamnur

Salaam mirjamnur,

Oh thats nice )
I believe you have more then enough luggage to understand The Quran )
You may find it strange but my advice for you is to stop learning from those books. Try to create your own grammar rules only from The Quran.
You are doing with this at least 3 things

You are reading AlQuran instead of Fatima made pancakes for her children.
You are not using any other source besides The Quran to learn it.
You are sure you are not going to learn something that contradicts The Quran, this can have very big and false consequences for your understandings.

SubhanAllah mayby Allah protects me from learning falsehood---Allah al hamdulillah! you know, how many times i ask myself, why i can't find a teacher?? )

Well actually it just says that AlQuran explains AlKitaab. With other words The Recitation explains The Text.

And no it does not say in this verse that the Quran is part from AlKitaab
There is this verse that says that AlKitaab is from AlKitaab.
548 "... "
And I believe the second mentioned AlKitaab in 548 refers to Umm Al Kitaab, but not sure yet..
I understood this from these verses
431
432
433
434

thank you for these Ayas - i read yesterday an old topic Al Kitab /al Quran- and i found many answers- but need to study the subject more. I'm waiting for your answers! )

Salaam,
Bender

ps InshaAllah when I finish my study on them, I will answer your other questions.

edit just want to add that ArRahmaan teaches AlQuraan. Yes i will never forget that- HE ALONE let us to see... hail
Salam an Thanks