I'm still confused :(
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Scholars may be, just may be, competent as far as history of hadith or scholarship, that does not make them competent inthe spiritual, moral and sicologiccal realm. Pure hearts are a better commendatin to understand Qur'an and those hadiths that have wisdom or spiritual depth. Who cares whether they are authentic as to coming fromso and so or coming from another so and so. If they speak meaningfully to you, that is all there is to it. If they don't again, who cares who said what?
Salaam
There are scholars of Catholicism and Hinduism too. They have spent their whole lives studying. It doesn't make them right. It's not how much you know. It's your ability to reason that matters. Peace.
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I just finished reading the Qu'ran and I sincerely believe it is the word of God. I was an Atheist before this, but something moved me to search for religion, and I found Islam (Alhamdulillah), through a facebook friend of all places . I find it rational and in tune with my personal ideas on life. Like how the rich should give to the poor, respect and love for the mother, care of the orphan, equality among races, and many more great things.
Even though I believe this is the word of God, and that Prophet Muhammad (Peace and Blessings be Upon Him) was a noble man, I still find myself confused about how to embrace this religion. The person who introduced me to Islam is Sunni, and another who aids me is also Sunni, so when I mention my desire to mainly focus on Qu'ran alone, they told me, "This isn't right, how will you pray?". They say, at least read the Hadiths and Sunnah before you dismiss them, so I'm currently doing that.
When I dare to question it like for example 40 Hadith Nawawi, Hadith 8 "I have been ordered to fight against the people until they testify that there is none worthy of worship except Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah", I get replies like, "Oh so you just began to search Islam and you think you understand it better than the scholars?". All I'm saying is that this Hadith clearly contradicts the Qu'ran, as it states in Surah 2, Verse 256 "There shall be no compulsion in the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong."
I hold on to the Qu'ran faithfully. These Sunni's tell me that the same people who collected the Qu'ran also collected the Hadiths, so both books can be trusted. I have no response to this, as I don't know much about the history of the Hadiths or Sunnah, but I will look into that. I find it a bit offensive they would hold the word of God equal to the word of man. I'm also wondering why they mention Prophet Muhammad (Peace and Blessings be Upon Him) and Prophet Abraham (Peace and Blessings be Upon Him) in their prayers. Isn't this some type of idol worship? Or associating partners with God? As they are including them in every prayer?
I'm so confused, but as soon as I find my way, I can finally start praying. They say if I don't include the prophets it's bad, but then I hear I'm not supposed to include them. I've been reading into this for days, and ran into this site. I hope to find some answers, if anyone is willing to help me (Insha'Allah).
Salaam
Lets clarify the doubts and confusion according to The Book - Quran.
I just finished reading the Qu'ran and I sincerely believe it is the word of God.
Allah will be generous to you once you start reciting regularly, and will teach you that you know not.
Recite in the name of your Lord who created - Created man from a clinging substance. Recite, and your Lord is the most Generous - Who taught by the pen - Taught man that which he knew not. 961-5
Even though I believe this is the word of God, and that Prophet Muhammad (Peace and Blessings be Upon Him) was a noble man, I still find myself confused about how to embrace this religion.
According to verse, you have to disassociate to all who assign partners to Allah by changing Allah's word or by associating things with Allah.
And thus did We show Abraham the realm of the heavens and the earth that he would be among the certain . So when the night covered him , he saw a star. He said, "This is my lord." But when it set, he said, "I like not those that disappear."And when he saw the moon rising, he said, "This is my lord." But when it set, he said, "Unless my Lord guides me, I will surely be among the people gone astray."And when he saw the sun rising, he said, "This is my lord; this is greater." But when it set, he said, "O my people, indeed I am free from what you associate with Allah. Indeed, I have turned my face toward He who created the heavens and the earth, inclining toward truth, and I am not of those who associate others with Allah ." 675-79
Next Do not doubt, put your trust in Allah, follow Allah's commands and He will guide you.
"This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah. Who believe in the unseen, establish prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them, And who believe in what has been revealed to you, , and what was revealed before you, and of the Hereafter they are certain . Those are upon guidance from their Lord, and it is those who are the successful. 21-5"
he person who introduced me to Islam is Sunni, and another who aids me is also Sunni
Sects are forbidden, Iblis was kicked out from Janna for not obeying a single command.
And hold firmly to the rope of Allah all together and do not become divided. And remember the favor of Allah upon you - when you were enemies and He brought your hearts together and you became, by His favor, brothers. And you were on the edge of a pit of the Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus does Allah make clear to you His verses that you may be guided. 3;103
The Religion before Allah is Islam Nor did the People of the Book dissent therefrom except through envy of each other, after knowledge had come to them. But if any deny the Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account. 319
I hold on to the Qu'ran faithfully. These Sunni's tell me that the same people who collected the Qu'ran also collected the Hadiths, so both books can be trusted. I have no response to this, as I don't know much about the history of the Hadiths or Sunnah, but I will look into that. I find it a bit offensive they would hold the word of God equal to the word of man.
According to Quran, Allah collected the Quran.
Move not thy tongue concerning the (Qur'an) to make haste therewith. It is for Us to collect it and to promulgate it But when We have promulgated it, follow thou its recital (as promulgated)Then upon Us is its clarification . 7516-19
The status of Hadith
Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. 279
The word Hadith is mentioned in Quran, and it means "An Event"
There is, in their stories, instruction for men endued with understanding. It is not a Hadith invented, but a confirmation of what went before it,- a detailed exposition of all things, and a guide and a mercy to any such as believe. 12111
But there are, among men, those who purchase idle Hadiths, without knowledge (or meaning), to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah and throw ridicule (on the Path) for such there will be a Humiliating Penalty. 3116
Allah has revealed (from time to time) the most beautiful Hadith in the form of a Book, consistent with itself, (yet) repeating (its teaching in various aspects) the skins of those who fear their Lord tremble thereat; then their skins and their hearts do soften to the celebration of Allah's praises. Such is the guidance of Allah He guides therewith whom He pleases, but such as Allah leaves to stray, can have none to guide. 3923
I'm also wondering why they mention Prophet Muhammad (Peace and Blessings be Upon Him) and Prophet Abraham (Peace and Blessings be Upon Him) in their prayers. Isn't this some type of idol worship? Or associating partners with God? As they are including them in every prayer?
Indeed, Allah confers blessing upon the Prophet, and His angels . O you who have believed, ask blessing upon him and ask peace. 3356
This is Allah's command to send blessing and peace on Prophet.
I hope it clarifies much of your confusion.
Salaam
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Salaam missdee,
You will survive perfectly well without the hadith, I have never studied a single hadith in my life except the Quran and to some extent the Bible (since I grew up with it) and I consider myself guided.
I grew up calling myself Christian basically, with atheist parents, but I never believed in the trinity. Maybe I was further blessed because of this.
I can still not forget the three basic fundamental criteria to be forgiven by God
- Believe in God alone
- Believe in the Hereafter
- Be a righteous person
I believe the Quran to be a blessing sent down by God out of mercy as a guide, but that does not mean you cannot reach Heaven without it, as long as you fulfill the above list.
Those who ridicule the Quran and Muhammad and arrogantly reject him may have a more difficult time though. But you could have Jesus as your inspiration source and continue to live righteously in "the Christian way" if you like. It is primarily the trinity belief which will keep these people from going into Heaven.
I was also beginning to call myself Muslim, but now since I feel it is just a label for an invented religion I simply call myself Believer, especially since I am absolutely certain in my heart. I belong to God's religion without any by humans assigned name.
God is not limited by religion, but people seem limited by religion, they cannot see beyond their own one.
God bless you
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Salaam missdee,
You will survive perfectly well without the hadith, I have never studied a single hadith in my life except the Quran and to some extent the Bible (since I grew up with it) and I consider myself guided.
I grew up calling myself Christian basically, with atheist parents, but I never believed in the trinity. Maybe I was further blessed because of this.
I can still not forget the three basic fundamental criteria to be forgiven by God
- Believe in God alone
- Believe in the Hereafter
- Be a righteous person
I believe the Quran to be a blessing sent down by God out of mercy as a guide, but that does not mean you cannot reach Heaven without it, as long as you fulfill the above list.
Those who ridicule the Quran and Muhammad and arrogantly reject him may have a more difficult time though. But you could have Jesus as your inspiration source and continue to live righteously in "the Christian way" if you like. It is primarily the trinity belief which will keep these people from going into Heaven.
I was also beginning to call myself Muslim, but now since I feel it is just a label for an invented religion I simply call myself Believer, especially since I am absolutely certain in my heart. I belong to God's religion without any by humans assigned name.
God is not limited by religion, but people seem limited by religion, they cannot see beyond their own one.
God bless you
Salaam Man of Faith,
I am urged to reply to your post to declare the true revelation of Allah, and to clarify any misunderstanding which is caused by your post. I found your post baseless and full of contradiction in other words full of lies against Allah. Ironically, you contradict your statement by stating Quran as a mercy and Guide, but you can reach to Allah without it.
Brother, if you truly seeking the guidance from Allah, than Read, Understand and Proclaim Allah?s message. Not your own philosophy.
Who doth greater wrong than one who invents falsehood against Allah, even as he is being invited to Islam? And Allah guides not those who do wrong. 617
I believe the Quran to be a blessing sent down by God out of mercy as a guide, but that does not mean you cannot reach Heaven without it, as long as you fulfill the above list.
I agreed to your basic fundamental list, as you claim that Allah can be reached without Quran and than how will you be able fulfil the list? Of course you need the Quran as Allah explains
Verily this Qur'an doth guide to that which is most right (or stable), and giveth the Glad Tidings to the Believers who work deeds of righteousness, that they shall have a magnificent reward; 179
Verily We have propounded for men, in this Qur'an every kind of Parable But if thou bring to them any Sign, the Unbelievers are sure to say, "Ye do nothing but talk vanities." 3058
Those who ridicule the Quran and Muhammad and arrogantly reject him may have a more difficult time though. But you could have Jesus as your inspiration source and continue to live righteously in "the Christian way" if you like. It is primarily the trinity belief which will keep these people from going into Heaven.
You tend to inclined towards Christianity and divert people from the truth of Islam with your baseless arguments. Quran states on the contrary to your preaching.
They say, "Be Jews or Christians you will be guided." Say, "Rather, the religion of Abraham, inclining toward truth, and he was not of the polytheists." 2135
O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people. 5155
Or do you say that Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants were Jews or Christians? Say, "Are you more knowing or is Allah ?" And who is more unjust than one who conceals a testimony he has from Allah ? And Allah is not unaware of what you do. 2140
I was also beginning to call myself Muslim, but now since I feel it is just a label for an invented religion I simply call myself Believer, especially since I am absolutely certain in my heart. I belong to God's religion without any by humans assigned name.
Muslim is not a label and it is not invented or a human assigned name, rather it is an attribute by Allah assign to us. Are you a Muslim or are you pretending to be one. Because it is Allah who named us Muslim and I am proud to be called Muslim.
And strive for Allah with the striving due to Him. He has chosen you and has not placed upon you in the religion any difficulty. the religion of your father, Abraham. Allah named you "Muslims" before and in this, that the Messenger may be a witness over you and you may be witnesses over the people. So establish prayer and give zakah and hold fast to Allah . He is your protector; and excellent is the protector, and excellent is the helper. 2278
Further, Allah confirms the call/dua/prayer of the honourable messenger Ibraheem (pbuh), and because of his prayer today we can see Muslim Umma.
Our Lord, and make us Muslims to You and from our descendants a Muslim nation to You. And show us our rites and accept our repentance. Indeed, You are the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful. 2128
And Allah Commands us to Say that we are Muslims
Say, , "We have believed in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims to Him." 2136
God is not limited by religion, but people seem limited by religion, they cannot see beyond their own one.
The perfection of Islam is manifest in the fact that God (Allah) has made it reign supreme and prevail over other religions. Allah?s favor upon the Muslims is manifest in the fact that He granted them true guidance, support and honor in this world and in the Hereafter. He has also chosen for them Islam as their religion because it is the Truth, and it is for this reason that He will not accept any other religion but Islam.
Indeed, the religion in the sight of Allah is Islam. And those who were given the Scripture did not differ except after knowledge had come to them - out of jealous animosity between themselves. And whoever disbelieves in the verses of Allah , then indeed, Allah is swift in account. 319
And whoever desires other than Islam as religion - never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers. 385
Today I have perfected your religion for you, bestowed my favor upon you and chosen for you Islam as your religion. 53
O you who have believed, enter into Islam completely and do not follow the footsteps of Satan. Indeed, he is to you a clear enemy. 2208
You will survive perfectly well without the hadith, I have never studied a single hadith in my life except the Quran and to some extent the Bible (since I grew up with it) and I consider myself guided.
On the contrary to your claims being guided, Allah describes how he guides people the practice you omitted completely.
Those whom Allah (in His plan) willeth to guide,- He openeth their breast to Islam; those whom He willeth to leave straying,- He maketh their breast close and constricted, as if they had to climb up to the skies thus doth Allah (heap) the penalty on those who refuse to believe. 6125
Go to Pharaoh. Indeed, he has transgressed." said, "My Lord, expand for me my breast. And ease for me my task. And untie the knot from my tongue. That they may understand my speech. 2024-28
Guidance is an ongoing process, as we Allah guide us till we die therefore we ask Allah
Guide us to the straight path ? 16
But it is not Allah who is making you fee guided,
If anyone withdraws himself from remembrance of (Allah) Most Gracious, We appoint for him an evil one, to be an intimate companion to him. Such (evil ones) really hinder them from the Path, but they think that they are being guided aright! 4336-37
So Brother READ the Ayats, Understand the Ayats and Proclaim the Ayats.
O Messenger! proclaim the (message) which hath been sent to thee from thy Lord. If thou didst not, thou wouldst not have fulfilled and proclaimed His mission. And Allah will defend thee from men (who mean mischief). For Allah guideth not those who reject Faith. 567
I do not reply to the comments if they are not backed up by Quranic Ayats. I have no intention to be a part of an endless discussion without clear proofs.
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Salaam brother,
Trust me, I am not rambling about what I do not know, if you do not understand what I wrote then you have to meditate or reflect on it further. I was speaking the Truth.
Christianity without the trinity is "Islam", any religion can be Islam.
I am not preaching Christianity, I was talking about God's religion.
The Quran is the perfect book and I have not disregarded it at all. You misunderstand my post completely.
True Believers are Muslims no matter religion, that was my point, if you require me to use that term.
Muslim is a way of living, not a name for you.
God bless you and hope you can understand my posts
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Salaam,
I was rereading my post and could not see where I went wrong really. I am certain it is a clear misunderstanding, or you are not sufficiently open-minded.
Guidance is a lifelong process, did I say otherwise, God can remove it and make us go astray. I do not say I am forever blessed and guided, it depends on my living.
God bless you
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I just finished reading the Qu'ran and I sincerely believe it is the word of God. I was an Atheist before this, but something moved me to search for religion, and I found Islam (Alhamdulillah), through a facebook friend of all places P. I find it rational and in tune with my personal ideas on life. Like how the rich should give to the poor, respect and love for the mother, care of the orphan, equality among races, and many more great things.
This is great. IMO, discovering Islam is better than being born with it as it means you're willing to do your research
Even though I believe this is the word of God, and that Prophet Muhammad (Peace and Blessings be Upon Him) was a noble man, I still find myself confused about how to embrace this religion. The person who introduced me to Islam is Sunni, and another who aids me is also Sunni, so when I mention my desire to mainly focus on Qu'ran alone, they told me, "This isn't right, how will you pray?". They say, at least read the Hadiths and Sunnah before you dismiss them, so I'm currently doing that.
When I dare to question it like for example 40 Hadith Nawawi, Hadith 8 "I have been ordered to fight against the people until they testify that there is none worthy of worship except Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah", I get replies like, "Oh so you just began to search Islam and you think you understand it better than the scholars?". All I'm saying is that this Hadith clearly contradicts the Qu'ran, as it states in Surah 2, Verse 256 "There shall be no compulsion in the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong."
This is a common fallacy of hadith-rejectors and quranists. Just because you find a few Hadiths wrong, you deem the whole hadith literature as corrupt.
There are several things to remember
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Hadiths are merely descriptions of events/actions of the Prophet Muhammad.
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As such, they should be read in context of 7th century Arabian timeline. eg. some actions may not appeal to you, but at that time it was a common tactic.
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Having problems with a few sahih hadiths is fine. Sunni scholars debate a lot on which hadiths should be accepted.
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You NEED the hadiths for prayer. You can pretend you don't, you can pretend Quran describes 100% of prayer, but the reality is that the details are so fragmented and open to hundreds of interpretations. Trust me, I read Edip, Rashad (who admits you need hadith), Quranists and other fringe groups and tried to emulate their ideas. And was not satisfied with myself at all.
Try this Go to Sunnah.Com and try any hadith, any chapters. 90% of hadiths are all about making peace and piety, make perfect sense in the proper context. You will have to look REALLY hard to find controversial hadiths, the kind which Quranists use to mislead muslims into rejecting ALL hadiths.
I hold on to the Qu'ran faithfully. These Sunni's tell me that the same people who collected the Qu'ran also collected the Hadiths, so both books can be trusted. I have no response to this, as I don't know much about the history of the Hadiths or Sunnah, but I will look into that. I find it a bit offensive they would hold the word of God equal to the word of man. I'm also wondering why they mention Prophet Muhammad (Peace and Blessings be Upon Him) and Prophet Abraham (Peace and Blessings be Upon Him) in their prayers. Isn't this some type of idol worship? Or associating partners with God? As they are including them in every prayer?
Look, following Quran or Hadith doesn't mean you blindly follow whatever the Sunni ulemas are saying and don't analyse yourself. My personal conclusion is that Prophet Muhammad, being the humble person he was, couldn't have uttered praise for himself, his family in his prayer, as he would appear abnormal and narcissistic to his followers if he did so. It was probably invented by later Muslims, who wanted to keep memory of the Prophet alive.
No, it is not any form of idol worship. You could genuinely admire a person. Does praying for your parents, family in Salat make you an idol worshipper? No it doesn't. Praying for peace upon Muhammad is a similar thing. Plus, there is a verse in the quran which says you have to ask for blessings on the Prophet. How you interpret the verse is your matter, but all I see is Quranists desperately trying to twist the meaning of that verse so that they don't have to do something they don't like. I like to be more straightforward and admit that I may not understand the meaning of that verse at all.
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Salaam,
No matter true or false hadith, people are creating rules because of them, which sometimes even contradict the Quran.
It does not mean that you cannot find righteous ideas in the hadith, but you can sometimes wonder if it is really the word of Muhammad in the hadith and also since the Quran tells that Muhammad only uttered the teachings of it.
The praise of Muhammad in both Sunni and Shia islam is clearly idol worship, it is twisted to deny it. I have myself witnessed this in Iran where I have been located for a while and it is undeniable idolatry. The system of Sunni is basically the same, over interpretation of the Quran and interpretation due to wishful thinking and added military rules because of hadith.
I cannot see how it can be misleading to ignore man-made hadith, if one so desires. If it was so important God could have put it in His revelation of the Quran.
Now I do not say that the hadith is utterly useless if it talks about righteous things, such as tips on how to be peaceful and similar things, but it is not a divine revelation. Perhaps tips inspired by God at best.
It is not like I spend much time with hadith though, but I would possibly read some more at times. Unfortunately, most righteous things are simply common sense though.
I spend my time on reading the Quran and getting a new understanding of it instead.
It is much talk about the prayer and I believe that it is because there is not uniform prayer prescribed, the worship is individual. Prostration is simply an ancient form of courteous greeting, which is not only associated with religion.
If one chooses to follow hadith it is up to them, but then they have to be careful not letting this lead them astray.
Anything can lead one astray, even their ego and arrogance.
God bless you
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Solomon,
You say you NEED Hadith for prayer. Please show me which Hadith explains prayer start to finish, step by step. Which Hadith did you learn how to pray from? When I was a kid, no one handed me a Hadith book and said "Read this son and when you're finished, come join us for Salat". That's just not how it happens on planet Earth. My uncle taught me. I taught my kids Alhamdulillah.I think you're confusing Sunnah and Hadith. Not the same thing!
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Peace Dee
I think this will depend on the context in which the prayer is given. For example, I may mention my mom in prayer but not necessarily setting her up as God's equal.
Salam TheNabi,
I just thought it might be bad to associate any other names next to God, since the point of prayer is for the remembrance and worship of God and God alone. I'm only reminded of the following verse
39.45
And when Allah is mentioned alone, the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter shrink with aversion, but when those other than Him are mentioned, immediately they rejoice.And then to make to no distinction between the Prophets
2136
Say ?We believe in God and in what was sent down to us and what was sent down to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and what was given to Moses and Jesus, and what was given to the prophets from their Lord; we do not make a distinction between any of them and to Him (God) we submit.?Although I do recognize the Qu'ran tells us to greet and send blessings to Prophet Mohammad (PBUH), I'm not sure if this means include him in our prayers. I can see how you can send blessings unto him and his family, after prayer is finished though. Thank you for your input.
God Bless peace
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Salaam,
Greet someone who can neither hear you nor help you?
Save your thanks until you, God willing, can meet him in person and thank him. Though even then it is God you have to thank for the most, He is worthy of all praise.
If you want to remember him, follow his example and live in the way of God.
The prophet Muhammad has already finished his trial, and is, God willing, already as blessed as one can be. Pray that God bless someone in need for it instead.
Praying for your mother or someone else alive is not idolatry, since you implore God about them, not associating them with any authoritarian role which God has exclusively. It is the intention that counts. This kind of concern for your contemporaries is just righteousness and a bonus for you.
Pray even for your enemies, like those you have got in quarrels with, it shows you can see righteously even through obstacles.
God bless you
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According to Quran, Allah collected the Quran.
Move not thy tongue concerning the (Qur'an) to make haste therewith. It is for Us to collect it and to promulgate it But when We have promulgated it, follow thou its recital (as promulgated)Then upon Us is its clarification . 7516-19
The status of Hadith
Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. 279
Absolutely agree on this )
Indeed, Allah confers blessing upon the Prophet, and His angels . O you who have believed, ask blessing upon him and ask peace. 3356
This is Allah's command to send blessing and peace on Prophet.
I hope it clarifies much of your confusion.
Salaam
It definitely does clarify a few things. The only versus that I felt conflicted a bit with me were the verses I mentioned above 39.45 and 2136. Thank you for taking the time to place your input, greatly appreciated.
Peace and Blessings )
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I can still not forget the three basic fundamental criteria to be forgiven by God
- Believe in God alone
- Believe in the Hereafter
- Be a righteous person
I understand what you mean here, I'm reminded of the verse 2.62 Surely those who believe; and those who are Jewish, and the Nazarenes (Christians), and the Sabians, whoever of them believes in God and the Last Day and does good works; they will have their recompense with their Lord, and there is no fear upon them, nor will they grieve.
I was also beginning to call myself Muslim, but now since I feel it is just a label for an invented religion I simply call myself Believer, especially since I am absolutely certain in my heart. I belong to God's religion without any by humans assigned name.
God is not limited by religion, but people seem limited by religion, they cannot see beyond their own one.
God bless you
I agree with you here, but only for cultural and unauthorized religious practices that people have taken as absolute rule. Though, in the Qur'an God does tell us that he has perfected our religion in verse 5.3 This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion.
Then God tells us to call ourselves Muslims in verse 41.33 Who is better in speech than one who calls to God and does good, righteous deeds, and says "Surely I am of the Muslims (wholly submitted to Him)?". This is what I have gathered so far, and also thank you for your time.
Peace and Blessings peace
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This is a common fallacy of hadith-rejectors and quranists. Just because you find a few Hadiths wrong, you deem the whole hadith literature as corrupt.
I completely agree here, and I was not planning to dismiss them altogether, my Sunni friend just assumed this because I was questioning them, but I am currently reading them now. I find some are very inspirational, adding great commentary to the Qu'ran, but others that definitely need to be reevaluated or discussed.
- You NEED the hadiths for prayer. You can pretend you don't, you can pretend Quran describes 100% of prayer, but the reality is that the details are so fragmented and open to hundreds of interpretations. Trust me, I read Edip, Rashad (who admits you need hadith), Quranists and other fringe groups and tried to emulate their ideas. And was not satisfied with myself at all.
I have to believe God has included how to pray in the Qu'ran, I have actually found a site that pin points where exactly. I have to believe this because, otherwise, I am admitting the Qu'ran is incomplete and that God is forgetful.
Try this Go to Sunnah.Com and try any hadith, any chapters. 90% of hadiths are all about making peace and piety, make perfect sense in the proper context. You will have to look REALLY hard to find controversial hadiths, the kind which Quranists use to mislead muslims into rejecting ALL hadiths.
I was not planning to reject all Hadiths, and I am actually currently searching this site, but thanks for posting anyways )
Look, following Quran or Hadith doesn't mean you blindly follow whatever the Sunni ulemas are saying and don't analyse yourself. My personal conclusion is that Prophet Muhammad, being the humble person he was, couldn't have uttered praise for himself, his family in his prayer, as he would appear abnormal and narcissistic to his followers if he did so. It was probably invented by later Muslims, who wanted to keep memory of the Prophet alive.
No, it is not any form of idol worship. You could genuinely admire a person. Does praying for your parents, family in Salat make you an idol worshipper? No it doesn't. Praying for peace upon Muhammad is a similar thing. Plus, there is a verse in the quran which says you have to ask for blessings on the Prophet. How you interpret the verse is your matter, but all I see is Quranists desperately trying to twist the meaning of that verse so that they don't have to do something they don't like. I like to be more straightforward and admit that I may not understand the meaning of that verse at all.
I would not include my parents names during Salat, but I would ask God to send them blessings after my prayer is completed, but this is my personal take on this. I feel I could send the same blessings to the servants, prophets, messengers, and angels of Allah. But only after my prayer to God is completed. I don't think the other ways are incorrect, as only God knows, but this is how I feel comfortable praying, and may God forgive me if I am wrong. Thank you for your input.
May Peace and Blessings Be Unto You peace
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I cannot see how it can be misleading to ignore man-made hadith, if one so desires. If it was so important God could have put it in His revelation of the Quran.
Now I do not say that the hadith is utterly useless if it talks about righteous things, such as tips on how to be peaceful and similar things, but it is not a divine revelation. Perhaps tips inspired by God at best.
My thoughts exactly. Some of them do add a bit to the Qu'ran though, but they should always be kept open for discussion, and not accepted as complete truth. Since God never promised to protect the Hadith books, as he did with our Holy Qu'ran. Thank you for your input
Peace and Blessings peace
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Praying for your mother or someone else alive is not idolatry, since you implore God about them, not associating them with any authoritarian role which God has exclusively. It is the intention that counts. This kind of concern for your contemporaries is just righteousness and a bonus for you.
Pray even for your enemies, like those you have got in quarrels with, it shows you can see righteously even through obstacles.
God bless you
I understand praying for my mother is not idol worship, I'm saying if I include my mothers name during Salat, when it is to be offered for God alone, I would feel a bit bad. I want to ask God to bless and help people after my prayer is complete. I feel comfortable this way, and I hope I have not erred, God forgive me if I have.
Peace and Blessings peace
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Miss Dee, my advice is... If he is a hardcore Sunni... and you're unwilling to spend your life wearing a veil and listening to Hadith to justify your oppression... You should turn the other way and RUN. I understand human psychology and Sunni culture. He definitely wants you as his wife but he's thinking he will change you over time. If you are not wanting to change. Get out regardless of the chemistry you may have with him. Big problems lay ahead sister. I grew up traditional Muslim.. Kinda. God gave me the courage to leave my families religion and follow Quran alone. My girlfriend (who I intend to marry Insha Allah) as luck would have it is also a 24 year old Mexican girl. Raised Catholic but never bought into it. She genuinely had a desire for the truth and it was a progression but after reading Quran and seeing the proof behind it, she whole heartedly accepted Quranist Islam. If she had not (and I didn't want to influence her decision), I would not have stayed with her. I don't want our kids going to church, celebrating pagan rituals, etc in the future. I had already made my decision but wanted to see if she would see the truth and accept it because we have great chemistry and she's my best Friend. But Practically, to raise a family and commit for life, that's not enough. It seems like you're in a similar dilemma. Perhaps your boyfriend does have the strength to accept the truth. But you won't find out until you test him. Make it clear what your standards are and what you expect from a husband. Make every logical argument as to why you believe what you believe. If he is sincere and sees the truth... Alhamdulillah. If he's attached to his childhood beliefs and can't see logic... You will be living life as a Sunni woman. Either be willing to accept it or RUN! May God bless you with the best decision for your future and hereafter. Peace!
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Salaam missdee,
It is true God perfected His religion, it is the Quran and some minor adjustments which He means by this. But Islam is a few thousand years old and existed even in the age of Abraham. And Islam is the only religion accepted by God, but that is because the term/name means a way of living. "Deen" as you hear others say.
As I wrote in other threads, anyone who submits to God alone (monotheist), believe in eternal life and live a righteous life is a Muslim, even if it would be that he was calling himself Christian, due to lack of knowledge, or simply say he honestly believes in God and that the world does not end upon death and lives as a righteous man or woman.
Muslim is the description of the "behavior" or "mindset" of the Believer, not a category of names to refer to. You are Muslim because of your struggle to learn the Truth, and I sometimes translate/paraphrase the word to Truthseeker.