We are God
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And as far as I remember Pharaoh claimed the people in Egypt should worship him, he did not say he was God.
7924 He said I am your lord, the most high.
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7924 He said I am your lord, the most high.
Okay, thanks.
Still the same point tho. We have had people declaring themselves to be Lords over the people, demanding unquestioning obedience for centuries, but it doesn't usually come with 'I, Lord X am God/the God/the creator of the universe'.
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I wonder if you know that this is satanic symbol? It represent Eye of Horus, sun god of ancient egypt?!!!
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Jane, satan worshiper ;D
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Be careful with any kind of symbols which people made to represent their beliefs.
However, looks like everyone who believe in God has their own personal way to be closer to God.
As for me, I don't perceive myself that I'm God or that we are God, that kind of belief doesn't match with me. I don't see any good or any benefit in feeling and/or thinking such thing.
My relationship with God is simple. He's my Lord and also my Sustainer, while I'm His servant who are taught to be grateful. What God wants from me is I have to submit to Him and obey Him according to my ability, and I should be patient and steadfast along my purification process on earth.
Peace.
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That's rude don't call someone satan worshiper
'( I feel sooo bad now.......No I don't actually, it was just a joke.
Be careful with any kind of symbols which people made to represent their beliefs.
I have spend hours, weeks if not months study occult and sybmolism and what actually represent and I dont care if they feel insulted, truth hurts sometimes.
One Eye Symbolism actually represent Eye of Providence aka Eye of god, but this is not God muslims worship but pagan sun god of ancient egypt, Horus. From here also comes christian trinity doctrine, Father, Son, Holy Spirit = Osiris, Horus, Isis
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Story of Horus, Isis and Osiris = http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osiris_myth
This vatican obelisk actually represent erected male organ of Osiris
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http//www.raidersnewsupdate.com/leadstory70.htm
Statue of Liberty in NY was also dedicated to Satan, roman goddess Libertas.
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I can talk days about this and symbolism behind it, so noone will post any satanic symbols and claim to represent God. God do not need symbols and statues.
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I have spend hours, weeks if not months study occult and sybmolism and what actually represent and I dont care if they feel insulted, truth hurts sometimes.
What I said in Reply #73 in this thread is not addressed specifically to you, brother, and also not because I think that criticizing such symbol may hurt/insult other.
I also don't support such symbolism.
I think it is better not using special symbol to represent our belief (or in our relationship with God), because I tend to believe that using such symbolism is not appropriate.
My advice is to everyone, to be careful, because I suppose we should not using and/or admiring and/or promoting such symbols.
I don't like what people usually know as "special symbols" because those symbols also usually being used as talisman/amulet.
God do not need symbols and statues.
I agree.
Peace.
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Perhaps you can open a new thread for symbolism, and sharing what you know.
Maybe I will, but here is the article (I posted above already) http//www.raidersnewsupdate.com/leadstory70.htm, which explains a lot about secret symbolism and why I said that USA is dedicated to satan himself. You should read full article is very interesting, not even freemasons dare to reject it. D
If you have read Apollyon Rising 2012 The Lost Symbol Found and the Final Mystery of the Great Seal Revealed by Dr. Thomas R. Horn, then by now you have learned an important secret concerning the capital city of the United States. According to the world?s foremost authorities?including Robert Hieronimus, United States official records, and even Freemason scholars?Washington DC was designed as a symbol of the Rosicrucian dream shared by its builders that America would become the New Atlantis and eventually lead the world into a restored Golden Age of Osiris.
Your suggestion is very good but there is so much material that I dont know how to put all inside one limited post
EDIT Just one more interesting image
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Peace,
To go back on topic, the theory is..well...strange. A few questions are to be asked
- Do you consider yourself to not have a beginning?
- Do you consider yourself constant, absolute, never ending?
- Can you function without sleep?
- No weariness touches you?
- Are you everywhere at once?
- Do you have all knowledge and data - all that was, all that is and all that will be and all that is changing as you read this question?
If you have answered "No" to any one of those questions, then you are quite conclusively, not God.
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Peace,
To go back on topic, the theory is..well...strange. A few questions are to be asked
- Do you consider yourself to not have a beginning?
- Do you consider yourself constant, absolute, never ending?
- Can you function without sleep?
- No weariness touches you?
- Are you everywhere at once?
- Do you have all knowledge and data - all that was, all that is and all that will be and all that is changing as you read this question?
If you have answered "No" to any one of those questions, then you are quite conclusively, not God.
I feel like I agree here. I don't think we are God, but we are a manifestation of His will.
As far as symbols and all that stuff goes, I believe individuals may choose to use them as remembrances of events in a similar fashion as words normally do.
I'll give an example....with the ankh. A lot of Afrocentrists enjoy wearing ankhs or having ankh paraphernalia as a remembrance of history and scholarly feats pre-Greco/Roman(read Anglocentric Golden Age) times. In ancient times, it is believed, it was the symbol for eternal life and many Egyptian gods were portrayed holding it, as were mummies in sarcophagi. I would argue that though the symbol at some point conflated gods with God or a Godly attribute, that doesn't mean all people who choose to recognize it for something are putting something to equal value with God.
When I look at an ankh, I instantly think of the story of Moses in the Torah and the Quran. The pharoah, who believed himself to be following the correct god(s) with their symbols and things, effectively lost to the God we believe in and submit to. I see an ankh and it reminds me of God triumphing over an ignorant person. Is that holding a symbol as equal with God? I think not. That symbol reminds me of a situation told in the Books. Is it better than reading? No. But I feel like being reminded of something God did, or even of God Himself with no equal, by a symbol is not really a problem to me.
What's the difference between a symbol a man, who God created, remembering God through an item the man created with materials God made, and that same man remembering God by looking at a beautiful house he built? To me, there is no difference. God created it all, and as long as you remember that, there is no problem with "symbols."
It's all about context. If you (not anyone specifically in this thread) choose to be narrow-minded about symbols and stuff, you can say they're all forms of shirk. But we aren't really narrow-minded in here are we?
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I doubt that many religions thought to be politheistic are basically that. I think most religions started with tawhid and then all of them, included Islam derived in giving independent life to other "gods", that is, someone or something they fear as allpowerful. That is not in the religion itself but is a "natural" degeneration of peoples and societies, like we are subject to disease and sickness, spiritually we are subject to the dangers of association and idolworship. Conflating any ancient religion with grecoroman paganism as "politheism" has done the rest.
Concerning ancient Egypt we know from who we got all the idea of politheism and paganism... Through the eyes of the onlooker. I think ancient egyptians at worst were not more politheistic than catholics and other christians with saints and grials and so on. And at best they were undoubtedly sure of the onness of Divinity, and the narrations of Horus, Isis and all that were symbolical language.
Salaam
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Concerning ancient Egypt we know from who we got all the idea of politheism and paganism... Through the eyes of the onlooker. I think ancient egyptians at worst were not more politheistic than catholics and other christians with saints and grials and so on. And at best they were undoubtedly sure of the onness of Divinity, and the narrations of Horus, Isis and all that were symbolical language.
Salaam
Also, Amun. a-m-n. Coincidence that the Egyptian sun-god's name, the god of the people who enslaved the jews, is the same stem of the word all abrahamic faith's use? a-m-n. Amun/Amun-Ra. Also, amin, ameen, amen. Something to think about hmm
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th Egyptians did not enslave the jews. To start with at the time that it is attributed that the history Musa happened, there wern't any jews. Hews appeared much later in history.
Then Fir3awn is not and egyptian person, and the stories of Musa and Yusuf, according to the Qur'an didn't have anything to do with Egypt. There are a few threads in this forum where this matter is minutely discussed. Ancient Egypt has been painted in black by and adulteration of the old testament, and this is born out by the Qur'an. No Egypt in the Qur'an, which has been translated so as to fit the bible stories just as other things have been "adjusted" to fit those stories, like Ibrahim and the sacrifice. Egptologists, from inception took all material they found on Egypt on the basis of agttributing to it all the bible stories. With time all that thas been proven wrong, like slavery in Egypt and the constructions of big onuments by slave labour. Proved wrong. Also of course, seen things also from the point of view that the top in civilisation was the greeck-roman, which was slavists, all civilisations had to be slavists, because they would not be better than greeck-roman, right? We are the end of history and we savve and condemn as if we were gods.
Salaam
If that was done with common things, you can well figure what they have done with matters as unaprehensible as the spiritual, anything goes, finally we are the masters and the ones who do the judging, right? Like
Search for thread started by Pazuzu.
Salaam
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( I don't understand arabic. If you are going to refute a point, at least have the sense - if not the courtesy, to refute it in the language the person who said it can understand.
Hi,
I thought you would understand that I was quoting a Quran verse.
I prefer to quote the arabic text so everyone who can not read arabic can look it up in their favorite translation.cu,
Bender -
Okay. So let's imagine I am God. I am the pure consciousness that is all that exists, and know all that can be known. But thinking about it, it would nice if I could experience coming to know myself, magnificent being that I am.
But I already know myself, so how can I accomplish that?
Maybe I can do it by manifesting as localised consciousness that only has a partial view of myself. Maybe such localised consciousness would think of me as separate and distinct from it, and have lots of adventures in rediscovering what it really is and where it came from.
Hmm. Yes. That could be very interesting indeed because, as I currently am, no surprises and no adventures are possible.
Good. That's decided. Let it be so.
Some time later (now that time apparently exists)
Manifestation A What is all this poppycock about God? About this guy in the sky with a long white beard who has made us for his own amusement and threatens to punish us if we don't obey, or, if we're lucky, reward us for grovelling? I don't believe he exists, and since he doesn't, no other kind of God could exist.
Manifestation B What is it with these people who think that because an Abrahamic God doesn't exist (which I agree with), then no God at all exists? That's a complete non-sequitur.
Manifestation C Allah exists, and has created me as a separate being from Him, to whom I must submit. I believe every word of the Quran is true, and is not corrupted like all other scriptures. Just read the Quran it affirms that.
Manifestation D All religious scriptures are corrupt in one way or another. Using scripture to affirm scripture is circular, yet most religionists tend to do it. Unfortunately, it tends to make them think of themselves as superior to religionists of different persuasions. Rather than diminishing ego (nafs-i-ammara) it reinforces and strengthens it, and thereby their apparent separation from others and therefore from God. Besides, even if some scripture is true, the hearts of men may be corrupt and find a way to mangle its truth regardless.
Manifestation E The way to come to know Source Consciousness (SC) is through annihilation of the ego. Once that is permanently achieved, then a manifestation of SC can continuously experience itself as one with SC and every other manifestation of SC. This guy called Mansur Al-Hallaj experienced it and said so for which his fellow religionists executed him in a cruel and unusual manner. Another guy called Jesus did too, and similarly aroused the anger of fellow religionists, for which he also was cruelly punished. There are probably many more, known and unknown, who were treated in this way.
Manifestation F Idealism gives a good explanation for reality. The universe isn't dual, comprising matter and consciousness, nor is it comprised exclusively of matter and properties emergent therefrom. No all that exists is consciousness, even "stuff" that appears to be concrete and external. Sentient beings like us are just localisations of consciousness that have a restricted view of the whole of consciousness, analogous to the restricted viewpoint from within whirlpools of the whole of the stream in which they subsist. We observe certain patterns and regularities within universal consciousness that we interpret as the laws of physics or as external objects. But now and then, in certain mental states (induced or spontaneous), we can perceive the stream itself, and identify ourselves with it. Some call this Cosmic Consciousness.
Manifestation G There is a story I like. Idries Shah reports it in his book, The Sufis. It goes like this
Anguruzuminabstafil
Four men - a Persian, a Turk, an Arab, and a Greek-were standing in a village street. They were traveling companions, making for some distant place; but at this moment they were arguing over the spending of a single piece of money which was all that they had among them.
"I want to buy angur," said the Persian.
"I want uzum," said the Turk.
"I want inab," said the Arab.
"No!" said the Greek, "we should buy stafil."Another traveler passing, a linguist, said, "Give the coin to me. I undertake to satisfy the desires of all of you."
At first they would not trust him. Ultimately they let him have the coin. He went to the shop of a fruit seller and bought four small bunches of grapes.
"This is my angur," said the Persian.
"But this is what I call uzum," said the Turk.
"You have brought me inab," said the Arab.
"No!" said the Greek, "this in my language is stafil."The grapes were shared out among them, and each realized that the disharmony had been due to his faulty understanding of the language of the others.
"The travelers," said the Agha, "are the ordinary people of the world. The linguist is the Sufi. People know that they want something, because there is an inner need existing in them. They may give it different names, but it is the same thing. Those who call it religion have different names for it, and even different ideas as to what it might be. Those who call it ambition try to find its scope in different ways. But it is only when a linguist appears, someone who knows what they really mean, that they can stop the struggling and get on with the eating of the grapes."
Stay loose, I tell myself. Try to enjoy the adventure I'm having, and to understand the adventures "others" are having. One day, who knows, maybe I'll come to perceive what I really am and then, there will be no "others", but only the One that is the source of "all".