We are God

Jane

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Sonny

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I wonder if you know that this is satanic symbol? It represent Eye of Horus, sun god of ancient egypt?!!!

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Jane, satan worshiper ;D

JavaLatte

Be careful with any kind of symbols which people made to represent their beliefs.

However, looks like everyone who believe in God has their own personal way to be closer to God.

As for me, I don't perceive myself that I'm God or that we are God, that kind of belief doesn't match with me. I don't see any good or any benefit in feeling and/or thinking such thing.

My relationship with God is simple. He's my Lord and also my Sustainer, while I'm His servant who are taught to be grateful. What God wants from me is I have to submit to Him and obey Him according to my ability, and I should be patient and steadfast along my purification process on earth.

Peace.

Ikrame

That's rude don't call someone satan worshiper

Sonny

That's rude don't call someone satan worshiper

'( I feel sooo bad now.......No I don't actually, it was just a joke.

Be careful with any kind of symbols which people made to represent their beliefs.

I have spend hours, weeks if not months study occult and sybmolism and what actually represent and I dont care if they feel insulted, truth hurts sometimes.

One Eye Symbolism actually represent Eye of Providence aka Eye of god, but this is not God muslims worship but pagan sun god of ancient egypt, Horus. From here also comes christian trinity doctrine, Father, Son, Holy Spirit = Osiris, Horus, Isis

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Story of Horus, Isis and Osiris = http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osiris_myth

This vatican obelisk actually represent erected male organ of Osiris

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http//www.raidersnewsupdate.com/leadstory70.htm

Statue of Liberty in NY was also dedicated to Satan, roman goddess Libertas.

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I can talk days about this and symbolism behind it, so noone will post any satanic symbols and claim to represent God. God do not need symbols and statues.

JavaLatte

I have spend hours, weeks if not months study occult and sybmolism and what actually represent and I dont care if they feel insulted, truth hurts sometimes.

What I said in Reply #73 in this thread is not addressed specifically to you, brother, and also not because I think that criticizing such symbol may hurt/insult other.

I also don't support such symbolism.

I think it is better not using special symbol to represent our belief (or in our relationship with God), because I tend to believe that using such symbolism is not appropriate.

My advice is to everyone, to be careful, because I suppose we should not using and/or admiring and/or promoting such symbols.

I don't like what people usually know as "special symbols" because those symbols also usually being used as talisman/amulet.

God do not need symbols and statues.

I agree.

Peace.

JavaLatte

I can talk days about this and symbolism behind it,

Perhaps you can open a new thread for symbolism, and sharing what you know.

Peace.

Sonny

Perhaps you can open a new thread for symbolism, and sharing what you know.

Maybe I will, but here is the article (I posted above already) http//www.raidersnewsupdate.com/leadstory70.htm, which explains a lot about secret symbolism and why I said that USA is dedicated to satan himself. You should read full article is very interesting, not even freemasons dare to reject it. D

If you have read Apollyon Rising 2012 The Lost Symbol Found and the Final Mystery of the Great Seal Revealed by Dr. Thomas R. Horn, then by now you have learned an important secret concerning the capital city of the United States. According to the world?s foremost authorities?including Robert Hieronimus, United States official records, and even Freemason scholars?Washington DC was designed as a symbol of the Rosicrucian dream shared by its builders that America would become the New Atlantis and eventually lead the world into a restored Golden Age of Osiris.

Your suggestion is very good but there is so much material that I dont know how to put all inside one limited post

EDIT Just one more interesting image

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unknownuser

Peace,

To go back on topic, the theory is..well...strange. A few questions are to be asked

Do you consider yourself to not have a beginning?
Do you consider yourself constant, absolute, never ending?
Can you function without sleep?
No weariness touches you?
Are you everywhere at once?
Do you have all knowledge and data - all that was, all that is and all that will be and all that is changing as you read this question?

If you have answered "No" to any one of those questions, then you are quite conclusively, not God.

Existential1

Peace,

To go back on topic, the theory is..well...strange. A few questions are to be asked

Do you consider yourself to not have a beginning?
Do you consider yourself constant, absolute, never ending?
Can you function without sleep?
No weariness touches you?
Are you everywhere at once?
Do you have all knowledge and data - all that was, all that is and all that will be and all that is changing as you read this question?

If you have answered "No" to any one of those questions, then you are quite conclusively, not God.

I feel like I agree here. I don't think we are God, but we are a manifestation of His will.

As far as symbols and all that stuff goes, I believe individuals may choose to use them as remembrances of events in a similar fashion as words normally do.

I'll give an example....with the ankh. A lot of Afrocentrists enjoy wearing ankhs or having ankh paraphernalia as a remembrance of history and scholarly feats pre-Greco/Roman(read Anglocentric Golden Age) times. In ancient times, it is believed, it was the symbol for eternal life and many Egyptian gods were portrayed holding it, as were mummies in sarcophagi. I would argue that though the symbol at some point conflated gods with God or a Godly attribute, that doesn't mean all people who choose to recognize it for something are putting something to equal value with God.

When I look at an ankh, I instantly think of the story of Moses in the Torah and the Quran. The pharoah, who believed himself to be following the correct god(s) with their symbols and things, effectively lost to the God we believe in and submit to. I see an ankh and it reminds me of God triumphing over an ignorant person. Is that holding a symbol as equal with God? I think not. That symbol reminds me of a situation told in the Books. Is it better than reading? No. But I feel like being reminded of something God did, or even of God Himself with no equal, by a symbol is not really a problem to me.

What's the difference between a symbol a man, who God created, remembering God through an item the man created with materials God made, and that same man remembering God by looking at a beautiful house he built? To me, there is no difference. God created it all, and as long as you remember that, there is no problem with "symbols."

It's all about context. If you (not anyone specifically in this thread) choose to be narrow-minded about symbols and stuff, you can say they're all forms of shirk. But we aren't really narrow-minded in here are we?

huruf

I doubt that many religions thought to be politheistic are basically that. I think most religions started with tawhid and then all of them, included Islam derived in giving independent life to other "gods", that is, someone or something they fear as allpowerful. That is not in the religion itself but is a "natural" degeneration of peoples and societies, like we are subject to disease and sickness, spiritually we are subject to the dangers of association and idolworship. Conflating any ancient religion with grecoroman paganism as "politheism" has done the rest.

Concerning ancient Egypt we know from who we got all the idea of politheism and paganism... Through the eyes of the onlooker. I think ancient egyptians at worst were not more politheistic than catholics and other christians with saints and grials and so on. And at best they were undoubtedly sure of the onness of Divinity, and the narrations of Horus, Isis and all that were symbolical language.

Salaam

Existential1

Concerning ancient Egypt we know from who we got all the idea of politheism and paganism... Through the eyes of the onlooker. I think ancient egyptians at worst were not more politheistic than catholics and other christians with saints and grials and so on. And at best they were undoubtedly sure of the onness of Divinity, and the narrations of Horus, Isis and all that were symbolical language.

Salaam

Also, Amun. a-m-n. Coincidence that the Egyptian sun-god's name, the god of the people who enslaved the jews, is the same stem of the word all abrahamic faith's use? a-m-n. Amun/Amun-Ra. Also, amin, ameen, amen. Something to think about hmm

huruf

th Egyptians did not enslave the jews. To start with at the time that it is attributed that the history Musa happened, there wern't any jews. Hews appeared much later in history.

Then Fir3awn is not and egyptian person, and the stories of Musa and Yusuf, according to the Qur'an didn't have anything to do with Egypt. There are a few threads in this forum where this matter is minutely discussed. Ancient Egypt has been painted in black by and adulteration of the old testament, and this is born out by the Qur'an. No Egypt in the Qur'an, which has been translated so as to fit the bible stories just as other things have been "adjusted" to fit those stories, like Ibrahim and the sacrifice. Egptologists, from inception took all material they found on Egypt on the basis of agttributing to it all the bible stories. With time all that thas been proven wrong, like slavery in Egypt and the constructions of big onuments by slave labour. Proved wrong. Also of course, seen things also from the point of view that the top in civilisation was the greeck-roman, which was slavists, all civilisations had to be slavists, because they would not be better than greeck-roman, right? We are the end of history and we savve and condemn as if we were gods.

Salaam

If that was done with common things, you can well figure what they have done with matters as unaprehensible as the spiritual, anything goes, finally we are the masters and the ones who do the judging, right? Like

Search for thread started by Pazuzu.

Salaam

Bender

( I don't understand arabic. If you are going to refute a point, at least have the sense - if not the courtesy, to refute it in the language the person who said it can understand.

Hi,

I thought you would understand that I was quoting a Quran verse.
I prefer to quote the arabic text so everyone who can not read arabic can look it up in their favorite translation.

cu,
Bender

Bender

7924 He said I am your lord, the most high.

7925 So God seized him for punishment in the Hereafter, and for the first life.
7926 In that is a lesson for those who are concerned.

Mickjo

Okay. So let's imagine I am God. I am the pure consciousness that is all that exists, and know all that can be known. But thinking about it, it would nice if I could experience coming to know myself, magnificent being that I am.

But I already know myself, so how can I accomplish that?

Maybe I can do it by manifesting as localised consciousness that only has a partial view of myself. Maybe such localised consciousness would think of me as separate and distinct from it, and have lots of adventures in rediscovering what it really is and where it came from.

Hmm. Yes. That could be very interesting indeed because, as I currently am, no surprises and no adventures are possible.

Good. That's decided. Let it be so.

Some time later (now that time apparently exists)

Manifestation A What is all this poppycock about God? About this guy in the sky with a long white beard who has made us for his own amusement and threatens to punish us if we don't obey, or, if we're lucky, reward us for grovelling? I don't believe he exists, and since he doesn't, no other kind of God could exist.

Manifestation B What is it with these people who think that because an Abrahamic God doesn't exist (which I agree with), then no God at all exists? That's a complete non-sequitur.

Manifestation C Allah exists, and has created me as a separate being from Him, to whom I must submit. I believe every word of the Quran is true, and is not corrupted like all other scriptures. Just read the Quran it affirms that.

Manifestation D All religious scriptures are corrupt in one way or another. Using scripture to affirm scripture is circular, yet most religionists tend to do it. Unfortunately, it tends to make them think of themselves as superior to religionists of different persuasions. Rather than diminishing ego (nafs-i-ammara) it reinforces and strengthens it, and thereby their apparent separation from others and therefore from God. Besides, even if some scripture is true, the hearts of men may be corrupt and find a way to mangle its truth regardless.

Manifestation E The way to come to know Source Consciousness (SC) is through annihilation of the ego. Once that is permanently achieved, then a manifestation of SC can continuously experience itself as one with SC and every other manifestation of SC. This guy called Mansur Al-Hallaj experienced it and said so for which his fellow religionists executed him in a cruel and unusual manner. Another guy called Jesus did too, and similarly aroused the anger of fellow religionists, for which he also was cruelly punished. There are probably many more, known and unknown, who were treated in this way.

Manifestation F Idealism gives a good explanation for reality. The universe isn't dual, comprising matter and consciousness, nor is it comprised exclusively of matter and properties emergent therefrom. No all that exists is consciousness, even "stuff" that appears to be concrete and external. Sentient beings like us are just localisations of consciousness that have a restricted view of the whole of consciousness, analogous to the restricted viewpoint from within whirlpools of the whole of the stream in which they subsist. We observe certain patterns and regularities within universal consciousness that we interpret as the laws of physics or as external objects. But now and then, in certain mental states (induced or spontaneous), we can perceive the stream itself, and identify ourselves with it. Some call this Cosmic Consciousness.

Manifestation G There is a story I like. Idries Shah reports it in his book, The Sufis. It goes like this

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Four men - a Persian, a Turk, an Arab, and a Greek-were standing in a village street. They were traveling companions, making for some distant place; but at this moment they were arguing over the spending of a single piece of money which was all that they had among them.

"I want to buy angur," said the Persian.
"I want uzum," said the Turk.
"I want inab," said the Arab.
"No!" said the Greek, "we should buy stafil."

Another traveler passing, a linguist, said, "Give the coin to me. I undertake to satisfy the desires of all of you."

At first they would not trust him. Ultimately they let him have the coin. He went to the shop of a fruit seller and bought four small bunches of grapes.

"This is my angur," said the Persian.
"But this is what I call uzum," said the Turk.
"You have brought me inab," said the Arab.
"No!" said the Greek, "this in my language is stafil."

The grapes were shared out among them, and each realized that the disharmony had been due to his faulty understanding of the language of the others.

"The travelers," said the Agha, "are the ordinary people of the world. The linguist is the Sufi. People know that they want something, because there is an inner need existing in them. They may give it different names, but it is the same thing. Those who call it religion have different names for it, and even different ideas as to what it might be. Those who call it ambition try to find its scope in different ways. But it is only when a linguist appears, someone who knows what they really mean, that they can stop the struggling and get on with the eating of the grapes."

Stay loose, I tell myself. Try to enjoy the adventure I'm having, and to understand the adventures "others" are having. One day, who knows, maybe I'll come to perceive what I really am and then, there will be no "others", but only the One that is the source of "all".

good_logic

Peace.

Why imagine at all.He has told us who He is?

For those who want to use other translations the verse numbers have been provided

He is the One God; there is no other god beside Him. To Him belongs all praise in this first life, and in the Hereafter. All judgment belongs with Him, and to Him you will be returned.

The One who created you, designed you, and perfected you.

He is the One who initiates and repeats.

He is the One who shapes you in the wombs as He wills. There is no other god besides Him; the Almighty, Most Wise.

The One who created death and life for the purpose of distinguishing those among you who would do better.* He is the Almighty, the Forgiving.

God is the One who sent down the scripture, to deliver the truth and the law. For all that you know, the Hour (Day of Judgment) may be very close.

He is the One who helps you, together with His angels, to lead you out of darkness into the light. He is Most Merciful towards the believers.

He is the One who makes you laugh or cry.

He is the One who accepts the repentance from His servants, and remits the sins. He is fully aware of everything you do.

He is the One who created the heavens and the earth, truthfully. Whenever He says, "Be," it is. His word is the absolute truth. All sovereignty belongs to Him the day the horn is blown. Knower of all secrets and declarations, He is the Most Wise, the Cognizant.

He is the One who continuously shows you His proofs, and sends down to you from the sky provisions. Only those who totally submit will be able to take heed.

The One who made the earth habitable for you, and the sky a structure. He sends down from the sky water, to produce all kinds of fruits for your sustenance. You shall not set up idols to rival God, now that you know.

God is the One who causes the grains and the seeds to crack and germinate. He produces the living from the dead, and the dead from the living. Such is God; how could you deviate!
At the crack of dawn, He causes the morning to emerge. He made the night still, and He rendered the sun and the moon to serve as calculation devices. Such is the design of the Almighty, the Omniscient.
And He is the One who made the stars to guide you during the darkness, on land and on sea. We thus clarify the revelations for people whoknow.

He initiated you from one person, and decided your path, as well as your final destiny. We thus clarify the revelations for people who understand.
He is the One who sends down from the sky water, whereby we produce all kinds of plants. We produce from the green material multitudes of complex grains, palm trees with hanging clusters, and gardens of grapes, olives and pomegranate; fruits that are similar, yet dissimilar. Note their fruits as they grow and ripen. These are signs for people who believe.

To Him belongs the kingship of the heavens and the earth. He controls life and death. He is Omnipotent.
He is the Alpha and the Omega. He is the Outermost and the Innermost. He is fully aware of all things.

He is the One who created the heavens and the earth in six days,* then assumed all authority. He knows everything that enters into the earth, and everything that comes out of it, and everything that comes down from the sky, and everything that climbs into it. He is with you wherever you may be. God is Seer of everything you do.

He is the One who designed the night to be a cover, and for you to sleep and rest. And He made the day a resurrection.
He is the One who sends the winds with good omens of His mercy, and we send down from the sky pure water.

He is the One who merges the two seas; one is fresh and palatable, while the other is salty and undrinkable. And He separated them with a formidable, inviolable barrier (evaporation).

Most blessed is the One who placed constellations in the sky, and placed in it a lamp, and a shining moon.
He is the One who designed the night and the day to alternate a sufficient proof for those who wish to take heed, or to be appreciative.

Forgiver of sins, acceptor of repentance, strict in enforcing retribution, and possessor of all power. There is no other god beside Him. To Him is the ultimate destiny.

Possessor of the highest ranks, and Ruler of the whole dominion. He sends inspiration, bearing His commands, to whomever He chooses from among His servants, to warn about the Day of Summoning.

Possessor of all authority. From His highest height. Such is God your Lord, the Creator of all things. There is no god except He. How could you deviate?

Quran 4064] God is the One who rendered the earth habitable for you, and the sky a formidable structure, and He designed you, and designed you well. He is the One who provides you with good provisions.* Such is God your Lord; Most Exalted is God, Lord of the universe.
He is the Living; there is no god except He. You shall worship Him alone, devoting your religion absolutely to Him alone. Praise be to God, Lord of the universe.

God is the One who created the livestock for you; some you ride, and some you eat.

God is the One who raised the heavens without pillars that you can see, then assumed all authority. He committed the sun and the moon, each running (in its orbit) for a predetermined period. He controls all things, and explains the revelations, that you may attain certainty about meeting your Lord.

He is the One who constructed the earth and placed on it mountains and rivers. And from the different kinds of fruits, He made them into pairs - males and females. The night overtakes the day. These are solid proofs for people who think.

He is the One who shows you the lightning as a source of fear, as well as hope, and He initiates the loaded clouds.

God is the One who increases the provision for whomever He wills, or withholds it. They have become preoccupied with this life; and this life, compared to the Hereafter, is nil.
And He is the One who initiates the creation, then repeats it; this is even easier for Him. To Him belongs the most sublime similitude, in the heavens and the earth, and He is the Almighty, Most Wise.

God is the One who created you weak, then granted you after the weakness strength, then substituted after the strength weakness and gray hair. He creates whatever He wills. He is the Omniscient, the Omnipotent.

God is the One who created the heavens and the earth, and He sends down from the sky water to produce all kinds of fruit for your sustenance. He has committed the ships to serve you on the sea in accordance with His command. He has committed the rivers as well to serve you.

you.

He is the One who created for you everything on earth, then turned to the sky and perfected seven universes therein,* and He is fully aware of all things.

Most exalted is God, the true Sovereign. There is no other god beside Him; the Most Honorable Lord, possessor of all authority.

He is the One who created you from mud, then predetermined your life span, a life span that is known only to Him. Yet, you continue to doubt.
He is the One God in the heavens and the earth. He knows your secrets and your declarations, and He knows everything you earn.

He is the One who puts you to death during the night, and knows even the smallest of your actions during the day. He resurrects you every morning, until your life span is fulfilled, then to Him is your ultimate return. He will then inform you of everything you had done.

He is the One who made you inheritors of the earth, and He raised some of you above others in rank, in order to test you in accordance with what He has given you. Surely, your Lord is efficient in enforcing retribution, and He is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

He is the One who created all kinds, in pairs (male and female), and He created for you ships and livestock to ride.

Be He glorified; He is the Lord of the heavens and the earth, the Lord with the great dominion, far above their claims.

He is the only One who is a deity in the heaven and a deity on earth. He is the Most Wise, the Omniscient.

Most Exalted is the One who possesses all sovereignty of the heavens and the earth, and everything between them. With Him is the knowledge about the Hour (end of the world), and to Him you will be returned.

To Him is your ultimate return, all of you. This is God's truthful promise. He initiates the creation, then repeats it, in order to reward those who believe and lead a righteous life, equitably. As for those who disbelieve, they incur hellish drinks, and a painful retribution for their disbelieving.

He is the One who rendered the sun radiant, and the moon a light, and He designed its phases that you may learn to count the years and to calculate. God did not create all this, except for a specific purpose. He explains the revelations for people who know. He is the One who rendered the night for your rest, and rendered the day lighted. These are proofs for people who can hear.

Glory be to the One who created all kinds of plants from the earth, as well as themselves, and other creations that they do not even know.

God there is no other god besides Him, the Living, the Eternal. Never a moment of unawareness or slumber overtakes Him. To Him belongs everything in the heavens and everything on earth. Who could intercede with Him, except in accordance with His will? He knows their past, and their future. No one attains any knowledge, except as He wills. His dominion encompasses the heavens and the earth, and ruling them never burdens Him. He is the Most High, the Great.

He is the One God in the heavens and the earth. He knows your secrets and your declarations, and He knows everything you earn.

God is the One who created you. He is the One who provides for you. He is the One who puts you to death. He is the One who resurrects you. Can any of your idols do any of these things? Be He glorified. He is much too exalted to have any partners.

He merges the night into the day, and merges the day into the night. He has committed the sun and the moon to run for a predetermined period of time. Such is God your Lord; to Him belongs all kingship. Any idols you set up beside Him do not possess as much as a seed's shell.

..."He is the One and only God.
"The Absolute God.
"Never did He beget. Nor was He begotten.
"None equals Him."

He is the One God; there is no other god beside Him. Knower of all secrets and declarations. He is the Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
He is the One God; there is no other god beside Him. The King, the Most Sacred, the Peace, the Most Faithful, the Supreme, the Almighty, the Most Powerful, the Most Dignified. God be glorified; far above having partners.
He is the One God; the Creator, the Initiator, the Designer. To Him belong the most beautiful names. Glorifying Him is everything in the heavens and the earth. He is the Almighty, Most Wise.

Such is God your Lord, there is no god except He, the Creator of all things. You shall worship Him alone. He is in control of all things.
No visions can encompass Him, but He encompasses all visions. He is the Compassionate, the Cognizant.

They do not value God as He should be valued. God is the Most Powerful, the Almighty.

GOD bless you all.
Peace.

servant_of_Ar-Rahman

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