We are God
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Refer to Nirvikalpa Samadhi - http//www.srichinmoy.org/spirituality/concentration_meditation_contemplation/samadhi/
God is Sat-Chid-Ananda Al-Haqq = As-Saheed = As-Saqur
Sat = Truth
Chid = Consciousness
Ananda = BlissThis is the nature of God. Abide in this nature and there ceases to be an idea of your own self.
Thank you IAMOP for posting the link. I have just read it, and am in agreement with most of the points written by Sri Chinmoy in that article.
But this is about all meditation. In the Qur-an, it is termed as "bayt" (something that you do every night). It is mentioned in Chapter 73 (http//quran.com/73). In this chapter we are commanded to meditate on the Qur-an (the Qur-an that was revealed to Muhammad the nabiyy, and also our personal Qur-an or personally received revelations).
However, the meditation on God is introduced in Chapter 68 (http//quran.com/68). We are commanded to call on God "on waking up from sleep" (musbiheen). Please read/study the verses starting from 6817 until 4634. So if we were to be sharp (in mind) we should meditate on God on waking up from every sleep or slumber. Even God may make "a visit/an occurance" (ta-ifun). But if we were not into meditation then this is a very strange concept/idea.
For "practitioners of meditation" (ahlu albayt), this is however a highly possible incident/event, as already explained by Sri Chinmoy in his excellent article.
'Meditation in the Qur-an' is a topic that I am currently writing for discussions in 'Sufism Without Borders' (on yahoogroups). And I hope to post the same article on FM too, since I have noticed that past discussions on 'meditation' in FM has been somewhat sporadic.
In the intended article i will, insha allah, be discussing on the origins and types of meditations, perhaps on how to perform meditations, the objectives and benefits, as well as what could happen to us when we perform meditations. The meditations by Moosa will undoubtedly be a special highlight, as also the meditations by Muhammad the nabiyy.
I will post the article as soon as possible but i sensed that it may take a week or two, or perhaps even a month or two to prepare based on the notes that I have made in my studies of the Qur-an.
May God guide us all correctly.
Cheers!
Mohammed Nohp.s.
This (http//www.srichinmoy.org/spirituality/god_the_supreme/communing/index.html) is an excellent article, methinks, by the same author. I hope you guys will enjoy it, but above all, get the necessary pointers regarding the title of this thread. Cheers!
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Peace Joe Betik,
It is a good topic to be philosophizing about, meditation can be quite important for the religious development, please keep up your research. I am meditating as often as I can, but now recently I have felt like my life is a meditation, I am living in the static of the holy spirit, I can feel it while I am on my bed ready to sleep.
I tell people to read as much as you can of the Quran and then meditate and reflect upon what you have learned. Never be embarrassed asking God questions when you cannot understand something in the Quran, for God will give you the answer sooner or later. Getting deep is a sort of meditation, living on the surface of life is not.
I am looking forward to read the research article you will come up with soon, like you said in your post, for I am certain I still have a thing or two to learn about meditation, because I doubt I will ever get fully learned. As long as no idol worship is involved, I am all eager ears.
God bless you for your divine duty and may you prosper in life. God speed.
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You are not God because God is THE UNIQUE ONE. Thus none is like Him while there are plainty of humans like you.
God is Eternal and above time and space. You, on the other hand, you're are a mortal living within time and space.
Thus, desist! GOD IS ONE, not 2, nor 3, let alone +7 Billion!!! -
Salaam,
In a way we are part of God, but we are not God. Since everything belongs to God we are part of Him. From Him we have come, to Him we shall return.
God bless you
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And to God belong the east and the west, so wherever you turn, there is the face of God. God is Encompassing, Knowledgeable.
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Peace, hicham9.
You are not God because God is THE UNIQUE ONE. Thus none is like Him while there are plainty of humans like you.
God is Eternal and above time and space. You, on the other hand, you're are a mortal living within time and space.
Thus, desist! GOD IS ONE, not 2, nor 3, let alone +7 Billion!!!How is God "one", as in 'one person', but 'above time and space'? If God is "unique", completely unlike anything else, then what is he?
You said that he's unique, but you also stated that he's "eternal". Yet, energy is also eternal (see the first law of thermodynamics). Doesn't this mean that there is something else 'like' God? The Quran states that God is knowledgeable, wise, merciful and compassionate. Humans can also manifest these qualities. So, wouldn't that make them 'like' God in some respects? Can you elaborate on your position? Thanks.
Peace,
Ahmad
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Salaam Ahmad Bilal,
I think the Bible says that Adam was created in His image, hence why we may share His traits.
God bless you
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I am not God and I cannot be God, but if I am sanctified and worthy I can enter into union with the Father as Jesus did and become a member of God's body of flesh and bone.
That's more or less the whole point of religious attainment is it not? To enjoy communion with God?
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How is God "one", as in 'one person', but 'above time and space'?
God is One, Singular, and Indivisible.
In Islam, Allh is the All-powerful and All-knowing Creator, Sustainer, Ordainer and Judge of the worlds. God in Islam is strictly Singular (tawhid) Unique (wahid) and Inherently One (ahad), All-merciful and Omnipotent, ... When I said that He is "above time and space"I meant that Allh exists without place, after all the Qur'an clearly states that
"No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision, and He is the Subtle, the Acquainted.(Qur'an 6103)"
The Qur'an affirms the existence of a Single and Absolute Truth that transcends the world; a Unique and Indivisible Being who is Independent of the creation yet personal and acquainted with all things. God is a universal God rather than a local, tribal or parochial one; an absolute who integrates all affirmative values... The Message of the Qur'an is cristal clear, "there is only one God" Thus, to attribute divinity to a created entity is an unpardonable sin mentioned in the Qur'an many times. I find the principle of tawhid (Monotheism) to be very simple, clear, and rational.
If God is "unique", completely unlike anything else, then what is he?
The answer is
Say He is the One and Only God! ALLAH, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him. (Surat Al-ikhlass)
Giggle! If this aint enough for you my brother, then you'll need to finish this life first, die like all "creatures" (not gods), and get ressurected by the True God. Then, ask HIM (face to face) "what are you?!" (Just kidding)
You said that he's unique, but you also stated that he's "eternal". Yet, energy is also eternal (see the first law of thermodynamics). Doesn't this mean that there is something else 'like' God?
My brother, only God is Eternal. Thus, everything in existence (matter, energy, time, space, and that which is beyond our knowledge) depends on Him. He is the Originator and Sustainer of the Worlds. Quoting from the Qur'an ( ً "You (mankind) have not been given of knowledge except a little."
The Quran states that God is knowledgeable, wise, merciful and compassionate. Humans can also manifest these qualities. So, wouldn't that make them 'like' God in some respects? Can you elaborate on your position? Thanks.
God is not a man and man will never become a god, because there is only One God and He created the world we live in. Becoming a god is the dream of Ibliss, Nimrud and Pharaon, and you know very well where they are going to spend eternity. This is the clear message of the Qur'an. As for the qualities you stated, indeed a man can be knowledgeable However God is ALL-Knowing. Moreover, I believe that God relates to us in human terms so we can understand. And ALLAH knows best.
Peace be unto you my brother )
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A perfect "being" i.e. God cannot create anything but perfect, so are were created perfect as an image of God, therefore in our essence we are God as well.
But why do we have "problems"?
Something happened in Paradise when Adam listened to devil's whisper through Eve, and ate from the forbidden tree and since then we have subconscious buzz and intellectual ramblings instead of perfection and peace.Our task is to make amends and reunite with God, and be part of God in unity with Divinity.
God, I am sorry for my erroneous thoughts since eons of time, please forgive me.
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Salaam God submitter,
Perhaps God originally created us in His image, the soul traits I mean by that, but when we sinned by letting Satan fool us God infused an equal part of the evil spirit instead, commonly referred to as Jinn soul, so that we could on our journey here on Earth to choose to side with the good part of our soul (God's share) or choose to follow the treacherous part of the soul belonging to Satan, whose wish is to follow Satan's original wish for revenge by misleading the human souls on Earth.
I think there is little we know about the true story actually, but I think we are born with a dual identity (borderline disorder as God punished us by infusing two different spirits into us, God's original image and Satan's Jinn soul (only Satan). That is why we can have so many problems making up our mind in this world perhaps?
Perhaps why God makes a distinction between the left and right part of body, if you recall that God will give the record in different hands on the Judgment Day depending on where we will end up. Have you never felt an inner conflict and feeling like each part of the brain want to go in different directions?
This is highly philosophical, but I have a feeling that on the Judgment Day the other part of us will go on its own path, possibly saved if we are redeemed by God. That might be why God has a Paradise waiting both one for humans and one for jinns.
And He will have Hell ready for humans and jinns.
This might be why Islam is so compatible with spiritual religions such as Buddhism or native American religious belief.
God bless you
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I am not God and I cannot be God, but if I am sanctified and worthy I can enter into union with the Father as Jesus did and become a member of God's body of flesh and bone.
That's more or less the whole point of religious attainment is it not? To enjoy communion with God?
Does anyone have a response to my efforts to contribute?
This seems to be happening to all of my posts. Should I even bother to stick around here?
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Does anyone have a response to my efforts to contribute?
This seems to be happening to all of my posts. Should I even bother to stick around here?
Here is my humble opinion regarding your posts.
No offense, but your posts are all IDEALISTIC man-made PHILOSOPHICAL nonsense and gibberish, just like the shee'ah sect arguments, making me go to sleep if continue reading them. Even the language you are using is foreign to me. is it English? You don't make any sense at all! brickwall
Peace,
Khalil -
Seriously loving the discussion here, thanks everyone. And no, this thread is NOT a joke, for the people who suggested that I have better things to do than to make mischief. NOR was I saying that I thought I am God or that humans are gods alongside God, I was obviously not saying that!! Please open your minds before you jump in with your condescending words.
The discussion is whether we are a part of God rather than apart from God as traditional religion, in particular christianity which I grew up with, seems to teach (we are created in God's image on earth down here whilst Jesus/God is an old man sat up there on a cloud etc).
No, I sincerely wish to understand the opposing viewpoints I have of God as
- all that is
.....but at the same time....
- separate from me
Buddhists teach that all pain comes from separation, the illusion that we are separate from the universe i.e. the Ego, leading us to misery on earth and hell in the hereafter. If the Ego separates us from God it is because the Ego separates from us from ourself which is how we EXPERIENCE God I think. The Quran says that when God created us he blew into us with his spirit, orders us to kill our Egos and tells us he is closer to us than our jugular vein which makes it sound like God is within ourselves.
This begets the question is our experience of life, our consciousness, our awareness of ourselves, is this God? God is our true self once we have stripped ourselves of our Ego?
To know my innerself is to know God. This is the understanding I have come back to as it was the one I had when I was a small child (before being indoctrined by the church) which no one taught me but I seemed to feel naturally, therefore I am apt to trust it.
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I have to agree been trying to find a topic on mediatation
I gave up salat about a year ago as i cant understand the real meaning of it in the quran. God has not shown me this yet. I dont really understand what salat is hence blindly doing it is against my faith (i used to) so i stopped. Until God doesnt show me i will not indulge in it. However this didnt mean my thirst or need to connect with the one is gone. So i began talking to God on my own when i needed to . Then a few months ago i was introduced to Transcendental Meditation (TM) and have tried it a few times and i have to say it really does feel like i have connected and since i have been calmer and clearer in a lot of things in my life. The main purpose of TM aligns perfectly with many peoples responses to this thread where the belief is that we need to clear our mind of all sub consious buzz or thought to connect. Even thinking that you are bored is a thought and so just trying hard not to think is not the correct way. Instead one has to adopt a mantra which bascially slowly becomes the focus of your thoughts and your mind slowly starts to discard all other thoughts bar the mantra. Then slowly the mantra will also go and you will transcend. Its at this point when you finally do transcend that you start the connect. This kind of aligns to the verses in the quran instructing us to use a monotoen mid range voice to say salat (this maybe the mantra effect that is required to clear our heads?)
The feeling is rather euphoric and amazing i have to say and you really do become aquinted with your inner self and you actually see everything so much more clearly. After this expereince i have come to some conclusions about this whole thing.
-Quran tells us that god created us in his image and breathed his spirit into us, he is closer than the jugular vien and omnipresent. He has all the attributes that we seek and they are infiinite. All other religions underneath the rituals, legends and fables have the same basic message. This has clearly been distorted over time by ALL religions inclduing so called what you see today islam.
- Science proves that when we meditate or pray a part of our brain that is also now known as the "god part" becomes active and is ONLY active at the time of these types of activities. To me this may be the line or connection? When that part becomes active then you are in the correct state to make a connection or "transcend". http//www.godpart.com/
- TM claims the following - Once you transend you enter into a pool of infinitive love, peace, clarity. everything that god promises a "believer". We can start to control the universe and its effect on us as individuals....http//www.tm.org/benefits-of-meditation
- These side effects can be true of any type of meditation which also includes fasting which leads me to believe that is why the god ordererd us and the prophets to fast as this seems to purifies us in a way that helps us get divine assistance or enables our physical self to transend into our spiritual self. The lack of food helps our brain clear as the thoughts of food begin to over power all other thoughts and slowly even that thought goes leaving us to easily transcend when we pray.
My logic has never failed me therefore, I have come to the conclusion that organised religion should not exist at all and was never intended to exist. God is not looking for our worship but knows that this act of worship will bring us closer to our goal (if only we knew). God does not need our rituals or our religion, we do not need to go around the kaaba or any other shrine for that matter. However i do think now (and thought is something that evolves, so this may change over time also) that we are here to learn some things,to agree on some things and with that knowledge we can become the celestial beings we so strive to be in the next life. This knowledge or clarity will not come if we do not "kill our ego" , discard "religion" and do not transend.
Its only when we become aquinted with our real self (the spirit) we unlock the code of life and beyond. Our purpose is not to gain the wealth and name in this world but rather is all about rediscovering our real self and learn the key things we need to know in order to get to the higher place (higher doesnt mean heaven but more higher intellect or dimension). This is why the true believers will never be short of anything they desire. They will create their own destiny through the powers vested in them by the creator. He wants us to strive and this is what that struggle is about in my opinion and nothing else matters.
It all sounds rather complicated but just close your eyes and find a word or mantra that you want and off you go. The possibilities are limitless and only by trying will you expereince this. At no point in any of this is there shirk or any other negative things. Negative is something our ego tells us. Ignore that and your good to go. I hope my thoughts make sense if not then at least i tried.
I hope my expereince inspires someone and becomes a catalyst for others to attempt transending.
Peace
Affy
p.s - I am exteremly excited about the article that one of the authors of a post is writing where meditation is explored in the Quran. Of course its in there, we just have to decipher it and bring it to light inshallah.
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Peace affy,
Just do not forget the Communion (salah) in a moderate tone. Meaning having a connection to God. Well, I will be revealing more about that in my Nearness and Guidance thread. But you are right that you ought to meditate for quite some time per day to be optimally serving God as per chapter 73 of 'The Book' (Qur'an).
God bless you
ps. I think I could agree that the title of the thread is inappropriate.
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'Meditation in the Qur-an' is a topic that I am currently writing for discussions in 'Sufism Without Borders' (on yahoogroups). And I hope to post the same article on FM too, since I have noticed that past discussions on 'meditation' in FM has been somewhat sporadic.
In the intended article i will, insha allah, be discussing on the origins and types of meditations, perhaps on how to perform meditations, the objectives and benefits, as well as what could happen to us when we perform meditations. The meditations by Moosa will undoubtedly be a special highlight, as also the meditations by Muhammad the nabiyy.
I will post the article as soon as possible but i sensed that it may take a week or two, or perhaps even a month or two to prepare based on the notes that I have made in my studies of the Qur-an.
May God guide us all correctly.
Cheers!
Mohammed NohSalam all,
The article is still in the works. But I'll post it as soon it is ready.
Apologies in the meantime.
mohammed noh