After death ?!

drfazl

This post is a bit long, but it may help you further understand this

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605190.msg325064#msg325064

Peace

Can you summarise and brief your conclusion with regard to man as to what this present heavens and the earth means; and the next and the next; and the cycle with reference to the purpose of man's creation and Father?

kylixguru

Peace

Can you summarise and brief your conclusion with regard to man as to what this present heavens and the earth means; and the next and the next; and the cycle with reference to the purpose of man's creation and Father?

I will try to.

The creation account is a master blueprint of one cycle of creation with each day being a millennium. All of the things mentioned in it pertain symbolically to people and the levels of glory they are fore-ordained to for that cycle of creation. Genesis 24 says this explicitly that all of the things mentioned in the days of creation are the "generations". This means it should all be resolved in terms of people, not cosmic stuff people try to make it into. This verse also says a creation is organized in a "day". This means that there is one millennium that is used to organize a new cycle so that there is a new heavens and a new earth planned out ahead of it actually manifesting. This simply means that all of the roles for the pattern to play out again are re-staffed and the cycle plays out in another round with new souls fore-ordained to act in different positions of responsibility. At the end of a cycle Adam comes to lay the foundation for a new cycle. He gives everyone their new names because it is His responsibility to perform the organization of all these things. Knowing the "Father" as Adam, in both the ending and the beginning of a cycle of creation, is a crucial piece of information to bring the whole crux of religion into a clear focus.

drfazl

I will try to.

The creation account is a master blueprint of one cycle of creation with each day being a millennium. All of the things mentioned in it pertain symbolically to people and the levels of glory they are fore-ordained to for that cycle of creation. Genesis 24 says this explicitly that all of the things mentioned in the days of creation are the "generations". This means it should all be resolved in terms of people, not cosmic stuff people try to make it into. This verse also says a creation is organized in a "day". This means that there is one millennium that is used to organize a new cycle so that there is a new heavens and a new earth planned out ahead of it actually manifesting. This simply means that all of the roles for the pattern to play out again are re-staffed and the cycle plays out in another round with new souls fore-ordained to act in different positions of responsibility. At the end of a cycle Adam comes to lay the foundation for a new cycle. He gives everyone their new names because it is His responsibility to perform the organization of all these things. Knowing the "Father" as Adam, in both the ending and the beginning of a cycle of creation, is a crucial piece of information to bring the whole crux of religion into a clear focus.

I take the very first sentence of this post to clarify so that it could serve as strong basis to comprehend before proceeding to other lines of your post one by one. I understand this summary involves millenniums ahead of things, prescribed and preordained in the master blueprint according to which the design will be unfolded during the course. This includes all the natural catastrophes, and the declining world order, ever-growing diseases; afflictions and sufferings of unimaginable and intolerable proportions; and disasters and destruction from every direction from the seas, from the land and from the skies above and from sources unknown. All this we witness without doubt and we shall know it is the unfolding of the destructive master blueprint. Every invention of man up to atomic knowledge, is more destructive than beneficial to man. Why this master blueprint is designed to be all destructive and that too preordained? If each day actually is a thousand years, our average life span is only 85 years, it amounts to not even 1/10th of a day of 24 hours. Thus our life on this world is just under 2.00 hours. Please tell us from the Genesis, how to plan and go down with the master blueprint of destruction, from birth in 2 hours countdown to death.

kylixguru

I take the very first sentence of this post to clarify so that it could serve as strong basis to comprehend before proceeding to other lines of your post one by one. I understand this summary involves millenniums ahead of things, prescribed and preordained in the master blueprint according to which the design will be unfolded during the course. This includes all the natural catastrophes, and the declining world order, ever-growing diseases; afflictions and sufferings of unimaginable and intolerable proportions; and disasters and destruction from every direction from the seas, from the land and from the skies above and from sources unknown. All this we witness without doubt and we shall know it is the unfolding of the destructive master blueprint. Every invention of man up to atomic knowledge, is more destructive than beneficial to man. Why this master blueprint is designed to be all destructive and that too preordained? If each day actually is a thousand years, our average life span is only 85 years, it amounts to not even 1/10th of a day of 24 hours. Thus our life on this world is just under 2.00 hours. Please tell us from the Genesis, how to plan and go down with the master blueprint of destruction, from birth in 2 hours countdown to death.

I'm not quite sure how to respond to this post. I was talking about creation, not destruction. I also don't know how to respond to your last statement about a blueprint for destruction and the 2 hours to death.

drfazl

I'm not quite sure how to respond to this post. I was talking about creation, not destruction. I also don't know how to respond to your last statement about a blueprint for destruction and the 2 hours to death

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While the Qur'an contains critical truths, it is completely meaningless without the foundation of the Torah and the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Also, there are additional sacred texts that have been given since the Qur'an that if dismissed will simply deny oneself of the promised blessings foretold..

My questionnaire is based on the Truth of Quran, well preserved by God, whose word is just the other way to the concept of Torah, and the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Allah says you will not be able to assess or measure the time and period of even a single day and night

7320
Allah doth appoint night and day in due measure He knoweth that ye are unable to keep count thereof. So He hath forgiven you.

325
He rules all affairs from the heavens to the earth in the end all is unto Him, on a Day, the space whereof will be a thousand years of your reckoning.

704
The angels and the soul ascend unto him in a Day the measure whereof is as fifty thousand years

Based on this your signature could be the other way round

While the Torah and Bible contains critical truths, it is completely meaningless without the foundation of the Clear proof of Quran.

kylixguru

My questionnaire is based on the Truth of Quran, well preserved by God, whose word is just the other way to the concept of Torah, and the teachings of Jesus Christ.
I don't see any need to diminish Torah or the New Testament at all. There is harmony between them and the Qur'an so far as I can see. In fact, some of what you quote below gives further evidence that the Qur'an explicitly supports my manner of understanding things.

Allah says you will not be able to assess or measure the time and period of even a single day and night

7320
Allah doth appoint night and day in due measure He knoweth that ye are unable to keep count thereof. So He hath forgiven you.
The full context here is a chastening from Allah. It was according to His will that people should understand these things. He intended for them to but because of their own failings they failed to. This is why he graciously forgave and why in verse 5 He said "Surely We will make to light upon you a weighty Word." The fact that Allah forgave them for not knowing means that in due time He would go ahead and bring that understanding when it became immediately relevant to do so.

Allah is not about keeping His devoted souls in the dark as you seem to be implying.

325
He rules all affairs from the heavens to the earth in the end all is unto Him, on a Day, the space whereof will be a thousand years of your reckoning.
This is truly an amazing passage that I was not aware of. I am somewhat new to the Qur'an. I have only read it about 3 times now. But, this coincides precisely with Genesis 24 where it says that all things of the creation were organized in a day. And, in my manner of interpretation, that "day" is a "Lord's Day" which 2 Peter 38 specifies to be "as a thousand years unto man". What this means to me is that in the end times there will be a Millennium where the whole next cycle of creation will be organized anew. The one creation will pass away and a new creation shall be birthed.

704
The angels and the soul ascend unto him in a Day the measure whereof is as fifty thousand years

This is a new passage I am not familiar with either. I will study it and provide some feedback later. I'm sure there is something very valuable here for me to grasp so thank you for sharing it.

Based on this your signature could be the other way round

While the Torah and Bible contains critical truths, it is completely meaningless without the foundation of the Clear proof of Quran.

I agree that the Qur'an provides many critical keys of understanding that enables those who have failed to understand Torah, etc. to get back on track. It is clear to me that Jews and Christians are far afield in their interpretations of their texts and that they do need further guidance.

The thing you have to be careful about is there is nothing that I can see that assures the people of Islam that they won't go ahead and do the same as the early Israelites and the Christians did to fail to grasp things. In fact, that Sura you quoted from more or less implies that such would be the case and that in the end-times even the mainstream of Islam would need to be straightened out on some critical divergences.

kylixguru

This is a new passage I am not familiar with either. I will study it and provide some feedback later. I'm sure there is something very valuable here for me to grasp so thank you for sharing it.
I read the whole sura and the only thing that came to my mind was that all souls at some point in time are allowed a jubilee, which means that all are relieved of their soul debts and allowed to begin again afresh. However, I didn't sense the liberation and freedom aspect of the jubilee as strongly as I think it should have been present if that is what the period of 50 "lord's days" as "a day". There is also the pattern of 50 days to Pentecost as well. Perhaps you have further information on what the 50 millennia pertain to?

Also, I will mention, this passage obviously sets apart this day as an explicitly defined day or period. It doesn't negate the fact that elsewhere in the Bible and the Qur'an (as your quote affirms) that a Lord's Day is as a thousand years unto man. When the Lord means otherwise in some manner, He explicitly tells us.

drfazl

I don't see any need to diminish Torah or the New Testament at all. There is harmony between them and the Qur'an so far as I can see. In fact, some of what you quote below gives further evidence that the Qur'an explicitly supports my manner of understanding things.
The full context here is a chastening from Allah. It was according to His will that people should understand these things. He intended for them to but because of their own failings they failed to. This is why he graciously forgave and why in verse 5 He said "Surely We will make to light upon you a weighty Word." The fact that Allah forgave them for not knowing means that in due time He would go ahead and bring that understanding when it became immediately relevant to do so.

I have plainly quoted the passage from 7320 and had not given my interpretation of it. I am in line with you but with a slight difference, which I have given in the red of your quote

The full context here is towards seeking Guidance from Allah. It was according to His will that people should understand the Truth of these things, He has intended for them. But because they took to their own innumerable deadly ways, leaving the One Straight Path from Him they meet with their dead end at which point they turn to God. This is why He Mercifully forgave, and more, in verse 5 He said "Surely We will make to light upon you a Mighty Promise." The fact that Allah forgave the humankind for their turning away from the Path of Reward that in due time He brings that understanding when it became immediately relevant to do so i.e., as they repent and turn to Him when all their efforts failed them, and with all humility and servitude.

I will give my understanding of the passages 325; 704 with reference to the relation between the man and his servants, the entire universe - as God has destined upon it.

Peace, brother.