To all of you Hijab supporters out there

huruf

most men don't follow the Quran. it is about control and obedience.
hijab in muslim country is a symbol showing off that you are holy and pious. Identity is not that you are a muslim but you are a "good practicing" muslim. It is a status symbol.

Right in both counts.

There was enough phariseism and double talk in islamic societies previous to hijab. Hijab has been the cherry on the cake of appearances and social compulsion as opposed to heartfelt sincerity in living as sincere muslims. Sincerity is superseded by clothes, and only women are concerned with the obligation of looking "muslim". Men are above all that. Hypocrisy on the throne.

Queen Rania is a muslim. And I guess she is earning paradise the hard way. Does not seem to be very easy for her. But may God reward her for whatever good she manages to do in spite of everything. I am no knowledgeable about that question, so I won't go beyond those best wishes.

Salaam

StopS

yeah

This maybe a stupid question....is she muslim?

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mmmm

Sahih International
O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.

The triliteral root jm lm b ( &#1576 occurs twice in the Quran

Sahih International And incite whoever you can among them with your voice and assault them with your horses and foot soldiers and become a partner in their wealth and their children and promise them." But Satan does not promise them except delusion.

What could be common thing here...

SarahY

Salam Emil.

Your question is about an impossible hypothetical. If all men in the world followed the Quranic guidance why would there be a need for hiijab as protection? The answer is obvious.
No-one needs a piece of clothing to remind them that they are muslim. With the headscarf case, a person wearing it can become unmindful of who/what they represent however I feel they may be more inclined to be mindful of their actions. This is just my subjective opinion. A person wearing sport shoes/gear is more likely to run/exercise than a person who isn?t dressed to exercise (if their intention is to be more active for example).

Salam huruf

I never stated that it is so good. Just my perception as to why some people choose to cover their heads.

Many traditional muslim men adapt an identity i.e. the shaving of the moustache and the lengthening of the beards as well as keeping an even hair length. Some also believe that they should wear a kufi or some sort of head covering as they believe this emulates the prophet. Is this act as diverse as the headscarf? I believe not, at least not what I have witnessed. Besides these acts are not considered obligated whereas a headscarf is (regarding traditional sunni muslims) so there is bound to be more emphasis on the headscarf because of scholarly opinion.

People have many reasons why they decide to don the headscarf, for every individual it is different. I don?t believe it is a mockery but a form of expression. What they express differs from one individual to another, all based on their understandings. Admittedly some countries like Iran/Saudi do not allow choice so their expression is oppressed.

mmmm

"No-one needs a piece of clothing to remind them that they are muslim."

But according to the translation of the ayat I posted above Muslim women do need to remind others perhaps....
"...that is more suitable that they will be known..."
Does this mean that when I see a believing women I should be able to identify her by her clothes? To me it sound that way (again according to the translation). What are your understandings?

Emil

Salam Emil.

Your question is about an impossible hypothetical. If all men in the world followed the Quranic guidance why would there be a need for hiijab as protection? The answer is obvious.
No-one needs a piece of clothing to remind them that they are muslim. With the headscarf case, a person wearing it can become unmindful of who/what they represent however I feel they may be more inclined to be mindful of their actions. This is just my subjective opinion. A person wearing sport shoes/gear is more likely to run/exercise than a person who isn?t dressed to exercise (if their intention is to be more active for

Salam Sarah

1.) Hes I know, I am talking of a Utopia.......But the point is if this hypothetical world would exist and the answer if the hijab is necessary is a "no" then the divinity of the hijab has left the building. Many sisters I know use this "excuse" that men leave them alone when wearing a hijab. What they dont realize is with this statement they say they are not wearing the hijab because Allah told them to but because of the crappy males. Because as far as I recall there is no verse saying men are horny little dogs that cannot control themselves.

2.) My reason for asking was to find out if there is any other explanation than subjective ones. Wanted to see if there is any Quranic reference that I may have overlooked.

I am not an anti-hijabber, I believe it is an individual choice that is to be respected. What I do however object to is when the reason becomes discriminating and subjective (I am referring only to point 1) because IMO there are as many female anti-men out there as there are male pigs. To wear a hijab as a symbol/reminder of ones faith is fine, but it should be holding the same status as a muslim beard.

mirjamnur

Salam Emil

I am not an anti-hijabber, I believe it is an individual choice that is to be respected. What I do however object to is when the reason becomes discriminating and subjective (I am referring only to point 1) because IMO there are as many female anti-men out there as there are male pigs. To wear a hijab as a symbol/reminder of ones faith is fine, but it should be holding the same status as a muslim beard.

Well said- i'm completly agree with you handshake

Note by us (EG) it's the Niqab which holds the same status as the beard.
peace peace

for answer your questions 1. without men or 'Quranic' men i didn't see any need for a hijab..
2. i'am wearing a hijab for many reasons

i don't like trouble (first with my husband and last for my children)
i live in a country where much of womens wear it and it is a social tradition and if you wear it, then you are more respected
and yes, i feel more save- because without hijab the mens are less respectful
I like it because it is convenient and I'm rather lazy, what concerns styling my hair-and a protection against of the sun- no sunstroke ;D

again peace

Emil

Salam Emil
Well said- i'm completly agree with you handshake

Note by us (EG) it's the Niqab which holds the same status as the beard.
peace peace

for answer your questions 1. without men or 'Quranic' men i didn't see any need for a hijab..
2. i'am wearing a hijab for many reasons

i don't like trouble (first with my husband and last for my children)
i live in a country where much of womens wear it and it is a social tradition and if you wear it, then you are more respected
and yes, i feel more save- because without hijab the mens are less respectful
I like it because it is convenient and I'm rather lazy, what concerns styling my hair-and a protection against of the sun- no sunstroke ;D

again peace

Thanks sis!

justamuslim

Salam Emil
Well said- i'm completly agree with you handshake

Note by us (EG) it's the Niqab which holds the same status as the beard.
peace peace

for answer your questions 1. without men or 'Quranic' men i didn't see any need for a hijab..
2. i'am wearing a hijab for many reasons

i don't like trouble (first with my husband and last for my children)
i live in a country where much of womens wear it and it is a social tradition and if you wear it, then you are more respected
and yes, i feel more save- because without hijab the mens are less respectful
I like it because it is convenient and I'm rather lazy, what concerns styling my hair-and a protection against of the sun- no sunstroke ;D

again peace

Actually, I felt the opposite with hijab finding it very inconvenient. Pinning it and tucking it. Getting caught in the rain without an umbrella. Washing my hair was another issue as I had to completely dry my hair before putting on the hijab, etc. wearing a hijab in the summer - felt miserable.....

I have no issues at all with people dressing to show their identity or wearing a cross or Star of David or anything to identify their religious affiliations or ethnicity or culture - if anything i appreciate the diversity but the issue I have is what hijab has become. Looking down upon someone due to article of clothing is just wrong in my mind. The greatest issue that I have is when it is all attributed to God that commanded woman to cover every part of her body.

Back home if I don't wear a hijab, I am looked down upon and here if wear a hijab well I could be a target. Sigh.

mubashir55

"......O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.
..."

Does this verse not clearly show us that it was revealed, there were the wayward and hooligans in the streets harassing women going about their business? So, the believing women were asked to dress in a way that they be recognised to avoid being subject of hooliganism. There is another verse that says those in the streets who bother and harass women must be rounded up and punished.

Now, how do we apply this verse in this day and age. In societies were women are harassed on the streets for going about their business, women have an option of dressing up in a certain way to indicate they do not appreciate such attention.

In the West, where most women do not face such nuisance on the streets, perhaps dressing up in a modest manner should be good enough. We have, in contrast, women going around with full Niqab and one wonders if that is not a way to attract immediate unwanted attention, then what else is it?

newrevert

Mubashir55

This was my point. I live in a small village where the muslim community is very segregated. I do not wear hijab and my friends all know im muslim, although not in the traditional sense. I dont choose not tp wear hijab through shame or fear, because im a perfectly comfortable in my choice of faith, but rather it is because, like you said, dressing modestly brings the desired effect of men not bothering me.

newrevert

In addition to my last post...

In my time as a sunni muslim, i did wear hijab and i found i got alot more attention, from both genders. I didnt feel more respected, in fact it was to the contrary...i got mocked, pointed and on a couple of occassions verbally abused. But if Allah had decreed for me to wear it, i would. And indeed did despite the said negative affects.

mirjamnur

Salam

I write above why i wear the Hijab in EG- i will write now why when i will go France to visite my parents, i will not wear it
My parents don't like to meet me since 12 years due to their panic of Muslim clothes and their position in their small village. Until now, i didn't push them to see me , but now both are very ill.
I don't see any reason to wear the hijab in the above described situation- but i know that other muslims will see this as a divine test and decide to not go there- they will follow the order from their scholars and forget the order from God- and this in my eyes is the most sad... -[
peace

newrevert

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hahaha. Thats brilliant! And i see your point. In fairness to me, i did google it after i posted the question so the question was in fact stupid but i admittedly didnt really think about it when i asked. Its one of those occassions i guess most people ask when they hear something they didnt know and just ask "is it?"

consider your point made

StopS

hahaha. Thats brilliant! And i see your point. In fairness to me, i did google it after i posted the question so the question was in fact stupid but i admittedly didnt really think about it when i asked. Its one of those occassions i guess most people ask when they hear something they didnt know and just ask "is it?"

consider your point made

;D

PixelAngelBaby

I just want to reply to your first question. I think that if we did in fact live in a Utopia where ALL the men in the world followed the Quran's guidance, we would still have to wear Hijab, had Allah commanded so in the Quran (opinion). Why? Because it was a command. Plain and simple. And out of love for Allah.

I do not think perfect men take away the divinity of Hijab.

For your second question...
When I wore Hijab before, I did it mostly because it was fashionable, and I needed something to hide behind due to self consciousness, it gave me confidence and it was my "blanky". Among other reasons as well.

it's been a few months since I no longer wear it, but the days when I'm feeling down or having a bad hair day..etc, I truly miss my headscarf because it was something that made me feel secure, and not from men, but safe from my all insecurities and possible scrutinies of people in general.

This coming from a girl living in Egypt.

In terms of protection from men, I do not see any difference, with or without hijab, and in fact I get less looks and catcalls without it. To me personally, I think I look 10 times prettier in hijab. wearing pretty headscarves sort of make you special in a way. Without, it's just sort of plain jane unless you realllly work hard to grab attention, and im not that kinda gal.

However growing up in hijab, I never realized how it would affect my sense of femininity and identity, until I got married. I know this sounds crazy but after being married, I struggled very much wearing Hijab and for some reason could not feel like a 'woman' with it on. It also became my identity, maddie the 'hijabi'. I felt like a hypocrite as well, due to the fact that I didn't even adhere to the full requirements of Hijab.

I felt like I didn't know how to be a twenty something year old woman/wife with it on. On a superficial note, I lacked the upbringing of how to take care of myself cosmetically and it was easy when I was a teenager and not living with a man I cared about impressing. Suddenly I didn't know how to look good for hubby and manage to look decent outside. It was two separate routines (makeup inside house, do my hair..etc then mess all that up/remove it when going out). I know it seems silly but I just didn't have the education on what to do with this trivial things.

The other reason being I was and am severely vitamin D deficient and was starting to get angry at my hijab for covering me from the sun, and limiting my comfort/movement for exercising outside.

oops I think i went off topic D

hvickys

Hijab, amazing how a square peace of material can gain so much attention. When I followed the Sunnah I wore a hijab before it was popular. However after studying the Quran I now know wearing Hijab is not a directive from Allah but rather man. I took off my Hijab and was accused of all kinds of evils from the Muslim community. It was a test for me. Do I listen to man or do I follow Allah's rules? Of course the answer is simple - follow Allah.

PixelAngelBaby

Hijab, amazing how a square peace of material can gain so much attention. When I followed the Sunnah I wore a hijab before it was popular. However after studying the Quran I now know wearing Hijab is not a directive from Allah but rather man. I took off my Hijab and was accused of all kinds of evils from the Muslim community. It was a test for me. Do I listen to man or do I follow Allah's rules? Of course the answer is simple - follow Allah.

I hear ya!

im still dealing with the disappointment but reluctant tolerance of my best friend about taking it off. thankfully the community hasn't ostracized me yet, but i found out most people around me don't recognize me and i moved some place new anyway.

However I am curious as to why exactly you are 100% sure Allah did not command us to cover our hair in the Quran? personally I think so, but I'm not really sure. So I just say "I don't know". Because it can be subjectively interpreted both ways. Do you mind PMing me about your take ?

mmmm

I think people are confused about this becouse the head cover has taken the name hijab amongst people and hijab in the Quran varies from negative to positive and is not closely related to clothing.
I am not for or against head cover but I have one question which is in benefit of wearing headscarf. That is what will you show to your father of your own beauty and when you go out you will cover it? Hair fits perfectly here...since most people like to be modest in front of their father/uncle/brother too...
Also word humurihinne is used in the Quran also as something that covers your mind does this imply that it something standing on your head ? Most people ignore these things saying humurihinne can mean carpet....but in the Quran it is not used in that meaning but in the close relation to the mind(head)...
If you have good arguments against these bring it on )

SarahY

What verse states humurihinne?